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Matthew Ellard said:
You lied and said a Russian military report could confirm UFOs sabotaged USA minuteman ICBMs (which are in the USA) I speak Russian. Where is this report?


skyeagle409 said:
Let's take a look here.
An english article about a Russian fan UFO TV show is not a GRU report is it? The TV show doesn't mention GRU reporting on UFOs sabotaging US minuteman missiles at all.

Why do you lie so much.


Вы лживый идиот.
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Your lies to date, only concerning Rendlesham, are
1) Someone made casting of the three rabbit holes, (A complete lie)
2) The three rabbit holes were radioactive (A complete lie)
3) No one could see the lighthouse in the forest (A complete lie)
4) The lighthouse was shielded towards the forest ( A lie and a forgery)
5) Radar picked up "bogies" on the night ( A complete lie)
6) The MoD hid evidence about the night ( A complete lie)
7) The police didn't identify the rabbit holes and light house on the night to colonel Halt (The police wrote a formal report)


Shall we have a formal moderated debate on my direct accusations against your lies? I do this with holocaust deniers on the Skeptic Society forum.


Again. I formally ask you for a moderated debate on your lies. We will agree on a moderator. I will quote your lies from across the internet and you will then provide evidence for you BS claims.

Do you agree to this?
 
According to the ABC-TV News Prime Time Live segment "KGB UFO Files," which was broadcast on October 6, 1994

I assume everyone picked up on this hilarious error. The KGB was the Russian civilian, political and commercial intelligence service. After Communism fell, it was broken into the SVR (Foreign Service) and FSB (Domestic Service).

Spying on USA military equipment (including minuteman missiles) and signal intelligence was and still is run by the GRU, which is Russian military intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU_(G.U.)

The KGB did not collect military information on UFOs any more than the US Coast Guard spied on Russian ICBMs. :)

(I take photos of old and new Russian military equipment and here is a photo of the display at the Red Army's artillery ( missile academy) in Saint Petersburg, on graduation day.)
 

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I assume everyone picked up on this hilarious error. The KGB was the Russian civilian, political and commercial intelligence service. After Communism fell, it was broken into the SVR (Foreign Service) and FSB (Domestic Service).


Let's take another look you seemed to have overlooked.

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"For a short time," retired Air Force Colonel Boris Sokolov told ABC TV News Moscow correspondent David Ensor, "signal lights on both the control panels suddenly turned on, the lights showing that missiles were preparing for launching. This could normally only happen if an order was transmitted from Moscow."

As director of the Ministry of Defense's effort for "research into the field of anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere and in outer space," Sokolov became a member of the four-man commission set up to investigate the so-called Usovo case.

Major Kataman wrote in his deposition that, "on the 4th of October 1982 at 21:37, I observed spontaneous illumination of all displays: BR, P, Sh, DR, GP, SR, PR, CZ, BT, NBT, GP, message, GB message, PP, PS, OR, PNS, Z, PZG, PZNS, figure indicators as in the regime 'light marks' at first push on the information board." Confusing as this sounds—and the difficulties of translation notwithstanding (1)—the Major is implying that someone or something was apparently manipulating the series of precise control codes, four spaces and control code combination, which regulate the computerized missile control launch panel. His deposition added that, "testing of apparatus and measurement of parameters according to technical map 1-30 showed no defects. The apparatus was functioning normally," that is, before and after the strange "illumination of all displays."

(Declassified Soviet Ministry of Defense documents confirm that such incidents also occurred in the former USSR.)


In other words, the story occurred as reported.
 
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Again. I formally ask you for a moderated debate on your lies. We will agree on a moderator. I will quote your lies from across the internet and you will then provide evidence for you BS claims.
Do you agree to this?

You have no case. Now, let's take a look here.


TOP SECRET UFO REPORT

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You are the one who has to make a case, as you are the one making the claims. All anyone else has to do in order to justifiably dismiss those claims is demolish your case, which Matthew Ellard has expertly done.

If that is what you think, so be it. However, it doesn't change reality. Let's not forget that Matthew Ellard was the person who claimed the Navy UFO video was faked, which I knew wasn't the case. Day's later, the Navy confirmed the videos were authentic. It would have been best for Matthew Ellard to have believed me the first time around and, he has been incorrect on other issues as well.

I have known for years that ET was here and the US military confirmed the presence of ET here on Earth. I saw one pass over my base in Vietnam in 1968 and was sent to Hill AFB, which investigated UFOs that dismantled our missiles in the field such as Malmstrom AFB.

I even posted radar images and data that proved the Belgian UFO was authentic and even pointed out details of what the radar data depicted because I knew the data was too technical for the average person to understand.

I was also the person who proved that no weather balloon was involved in the Roswell incident before the Air Force trashed its 47-year-old weather story, and I was the person who proved that the Air Force lied again when it revised its claim that a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible for the Roswell incident, but amazingly, thanks to the Air Force, I was provided with Project Mogul balloon records which proved there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4.


It has been claimed that Project Mogul was top secret, but I knew that was false because Project Mogul balloons were nothing more than unclassified research balloons. To give you some insight as to some of the information I have on Project Mogul balloons, thanks to the Air Force, let's take a look here.

Project Mogul Balloon Equipment

* Dribblers

* Parachutes

* Ballast tubes

* Radiosode

* Sono Buoy

* Equipment gauges

* 17.5 Mogul balloon payload.

* Braided lines

* 28 balloons of various sizes


Rancher Sid West recovers Project Mogul balloon train

June 8, Sun. Rancher, Sid West, found balloon train 25 mi south of High Rolls in mountains.

Contacted him and made arragements to recover equipment Monday. Got all recordings of

balloon flights. Took Treland, Mears, Winton, Olsen to Alamogordo to catch train this pm

June 9, Mon. Bill Godbee and Don Reynolds went out to Sid West's ranch south of High Rolls

and broughtback recovered balloons- clock, 2 radiosondes, sonobuoy and microphone and lower

part of dribbler. Bill Edmondson cleaning up hanger and sorting out equipment of NYU. Worked

today on balloon records (GR8) from north hanger. No definite signals obtained. Took inventory


QUESTIONNAIRE, REWARD AND WARNING TAGS ATTACHED TO PROJECT MOGUL BALLOONS

QUESTIONNAIRE

Please answer this and send to us so that we may pay you the

Reward.

1. On what date and at what hour was the balloon discovered?

2. Where was it discovered? (Approximate distance and direction

from nearest town on map?)

3. Was it observed descending? If so, at what time?

4. Did it float down slowly or fall rapidly?

5. How much kerosene was there in the tank?

C. S. Schneider

Research Division

New York University

University Heights

Bronx 53. New York


REWARD NOTICE

This is special weather equipment Sent aloft on research by New York Univetity.

It is important that the equipment be recovered. The finder L requested to protect

the equipment from damage or theft. and to telegraph collect to: Mr. C. 5. Schneider.

York University. 18lst St. & University Heights, Box 12. New York City.

L.S.A. Phone: LUdlow 3.6310. REFER TO FLIGHT #-__________

A dollar ($ ) reward and reasonable reimbursement for recovery expense will be

paid if the above instruction* are followed before September 1949.

KEEP AWAY FROM FIRE. THERE IS KEROSENE IN THE TANK.


****WARNING TAGS****


DANGER!

FIRE!

CUT THESE WIRES

BEFORE HANDLING

_______________________

DANGER!

EMPTY THIS ON GROUND

BEFORE HANDLING

Project Mogul balloons were sometimes recovered by civilians yet the Air Force managed to dupe skeptics into thinking that Project Mogul balloons were highly classified, but I knew better. Another case in point:

Policeman Recovers Mogul Balloon

New York Times, Oct 1, 1948 "Balloon Staggers Down to Brooklyn Tavern,

A MOGUL balloon "floated blithely over the rooftops of Flatbush . . .causing general public excitement . . . before it came to rest on top of a [brooklyn] tavern." Recovered by policeman.

In one case, a Project Mogul balloon was just left lying beside a roadway where it was vandalized, and yet, I have the record on that fact as well. Never mind the media was often invited to Project Mogul balloon launches where details of their missions were posted in newspapers around the country, and yet, I do have photos of those launches.

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News headlines about the balloons' missions

Balloons -- Not Discs: Princeton Gadget Soars 20 Miles High; Records
No Atomic Explosions

28 Balloons Fail To Send Reports On Cosmic Rays -- Attain 20-Mile
Altitude, but Equipment Does Not Give Nuclear Explosion Data

Stratosphere Atom Explosions Probed
Sky Experiment Apparatus Found --
Flight in Stratosphere Fails to Show
Nuclear Explosions Data


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How secret is that? The Air Force wouldn't have covered up the crash of a classified project by claiming that the crash site was that of a flying saucer. That is totally ridicules because what a way to bring in the eyes of the whole world to a classified crash site that is supposed to remain a secret. Common sense would have dictated that is not the way the military covers it tracks when secret aircraft crash. Case in point was when an F-117 stealth fighter crashed near Bakersfield, CA. The Air Force did't claim a flying saucer crashed in order to cover up the crash site of that stealth fighter.

Furthermore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to prove that the Air Force's 1997 Roswell Report is false as well, which leaves the initial news report that a flying saucer was recovered in 1947, firmly intact.


I want to add that it was a modified WB-29, not a Project Mogul balloon train that was used to detect the Soviet's first nuclear blast.

U.S. Intelligence and the Detection of the First Soviet Nuclear Test, September 1949

Shortly after the Soviet test, on 3 September 1949, a WB-29 ["W" for weather reconnaissance] operated by the Air Force's Weather Service undertook a routine flight from Misawa Air Force Base (Japan) to Eilson Air Force Base (Alaska) on behalf of the secretive Air Force Office of Atomic Energy-1 [AFOAT-1] [later renamed the Air Force Technical Applications Center, or AFTAC]. The plane carried special filters designed to pick up the radiological debris that an atmospheric atomic test would inevitably create. So far none of the flights in the Northern Pacific had picked up a scent, but after this flight returned to Eilson and a huge Geiger counter checked the filters, the technicians detected radioactive traces. This was the 112th alert of the Atomic Energy Detection System (the previous 111 had been caused by natural occurrences, such as earthquakes). After a complex chain of events, involving more flights to collect more air samples, consultations among U.S. government scientists, consultants, and contractors, including radiological analysis by Tracerlab and Los Alamos Laboratory, and secret consultations with the British government, the U.S. intelligence community concluded that Moscow had indeed conducted a nuclear test. On 23 September 1949, President Truman announced that "We have evidence that within recent weeks an atomic explosion occurred in the U.S.S.R."


This letter shows that the head of Project Mogul tracked a flying saucer over New Mexico.

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There is much that I know and I will once again state for the record that ET is here on Earth and that is a fact!! You can take it or leave it.
 
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You are the one who has to make a case, as you are the one making the claims.

Prove me wrong on this case. The following F-16 radar data proves the UFO was not that of mankind. The data is very clear the object maneuvered in ways that would have torn any aircraft apart. In fact, the data shows the object is maneuvering exactly as described by Navy pilots in reference to the maneuvering capability of the objects they encountered, so what we have here is data from an F-16 radar that depicts maneuvering characteristics of an object similar to the characteristics of the objects the Navy pilots encountered, which paints a recorded pattern about those objects that can't be denied.

I am adding the video of the F-16 that I tied to the following data and notice the data on the right side of the screen during attempted lockup by the F-16. No aircraft in the world is capable of such maneuvers and large airspeed changes in seconds.

F-16 Radar Screen Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3geA2Jp-n0


Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

18 290 1010 4000

19 290 1000 3000

20 290 990 2000

21 290 990 1000

22 300 990 0000

22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock


Which brings us back to these this report.


USAF UFO REPORTS

"Captain Edward J.Ruppelt, former chief of Project Blue Book, has confirmed the existence of four important documents that should be noted. In 1948, in a "Top Secret" estimate, the (Air Technical Intelligence Center, Wright-Patterson AFB) concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952, an Air Force Intelligence analysis of UFO maneuvers brought the same conclusion... interplanetary."

MANEUVERED MOTION AND "INTELLIGENT CONTROL

Following the nearly year-long 1952 UFO sighting wave in which there were repeated instances of jet interceptors chasing after UFOs that also showed on radar, the Central Intelligence Agency convened the so-called Robertson Panel to evaluate the data. Among the presentations made to the scientific panel was one by Dewey J. Fournet (USAF, Ret.) who had worked with scientific analysts conducting a rigorous motion analysis study of hardcore unexplained cases.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

Air Force analysts had reached this conclusion before. Project Sign in 1948 had issued a Top Secret Estimate of the Situation drawing the same conclusion. (Hall, 1964, p. 110) But both times outside scientific consultants, on the basis of what were arguably superficial and excessively skeptical reviews, disputed the conclusion. (Hall, 1988, pp. 155-163)

Many of these jet interception cases included a sort of "cat-and-mouse" behavior on the part of the UFOs, pulling away from the pursuing jets and then slowing down until they caught up again. This behavior has been repeated throughout the history of UFOs, and is one of the many indicators of intelligence behind the phenomenon. Case after case can be cited of UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft


Notice where it says; "UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft." That has been going on for decades!
 
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There is much that I know and I will once again state for the record that ET is here on Earth and that is a fact!! You can take it or leave it.
Well, the record has shown that you sincerely believe in UFO's, and that you are willing to fake evidence to convince others. It is also apparent that there is no evidence so ridiculous that you will not use it.
 
Let's take a look here.



And, we can take a look here.

Why is it that every time you say "Let's take a look here", you follow it with some irrelevant tangential and flimsy non-evidence?
Please stop the Gish Gallop and try to stick to one or two incidents. Your headlong flight from hard questions, and repeated spamming of the same long-debunked or irrelevant snippets is making you look ridiculous.
 

The KGB did not collect military information on UFOs any more than the US Coast Guard spied on Russian ICBMs. :)


KGB chief ordered 4m soldiers to keep watching the skies for UFOs
Nick Paton Walsh in Moscow
Sun 23 Mar 2003 18.42 EST



Yuri Andropov, the former Soviet leader and long-time head of the KGB, had an acute personal interest in UFOs and ordered a 13-year programme that required every soldier in the military to monitor sightings over Russian territory, according to new revelations.
Andropov shunned the splendour enjoyed by many Soviet leaders to live in a sparse flat throughout his 15 years as KGB chief and one year as Secretary-General of the Communist Party.

Igor Sinitsin, who worked as an aide to Andropov in the Politburo for six years and has just written his memoirs, told The Observer that in 1977 he discovered that Andropov kept a file on the phenomena in his desk.


He was probably aware of what has been going on in reference to UFOs. Let's take a look at what the Air Force told its cadets in the 1960's, but didn't want the public to know.

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast.

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/afu.htm
 
Well, the record has shown that you sincerely believe in UFO's, and that you are willing to fake evidence to convince others. It is also apparent that there is no evidence so ridiculous that you will not use it.


To let you know, the U.S. government is currently releasing declassified UFO files and if you have any questions, make an inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which will prove my points. Furthermore, I don't fake evidence as you wrongly stated.
 
Prove me wrong on this case. The following F-16 radar data proves the UFO was not that of mankind. The data is very clear the object maneuvered in ways that would have torn any aircraft apart.

Is this the same radar data you posted before, which showed the craft flying underground, and which also did not add up in terms of distance and speed, or is this another set?

Which brings us back to these this report.
(About Project Blue Book)

This Project Blue Book? The one that concluded
Project Blue Book was terminated in December 1969. The Air Force supplies the following summary of its investigations:

No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security;
There was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represented technological developments or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge; and
There was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" were extraterrestrial vehicles.

Did you have another Project Blue Book in mind?
 
Is this the same radar data you posted before, which showed the craft flying underground, and which also did not add up in terms of distance and speed, or is this another set?

The data depicts no such thing. That is what skeptics claimed because they didn't understand what the data depicted.

This Project Blue Book? The one that concluded
Did you have another Project Blue Book in mind?


Project Blue Book is a joke. Let's take a look at one of Blue Book's case file of the RB-47/UFO encounter that lasted over multiple states. The case involved the aircraft of Lewis D. Chase, the same pilot who wrote reports regarding the Malmstrom AFB UFO incidents, which involved my base (Hill AFB).


He is being chased by a UFO and remember, this is a jet aircraft. The ELINT equipment aboard this aircraft detected the UFO during the encounter and confirmed by ground-based radar, code named; "Utah."

Blue Book concluded the UFO that chased the jet aircraft over multiple states was an American Airlines DC-6 propeller-driven aircraft that was no where near the encounter nor capable of flying at the speed of the RB-47. That is typical of the way Blue Book was writing off some UFO encounters.

Let's do a review.

This refers to a near-collision of two DC-6 American Airliners near Salt Flats, Texas, 50 mi. from El Paso at 14,000 ft at 3:30 a.m. of this day. The case is now carried in the official Blue Book files as "Identified as American Airlines Flight 655."

RB-47

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Performance

Manufacturer: Boeing Aircraft Company (primary), Douglas and Lockheed

Nickname: Stratojet

Crew: 3 - Pilot, Copilot, Navigator

Gross Weight: 206,700 lbs

No. of Engines: 6

Powerplant: General Electric J-47-GE-25 turbojet engines; JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) using auxiliary rocket motors that are jettisoned after take-off.

Thrust (each): 7,200 lbs

Combat Speed: 557 mph at 38,500 ft

Max Speed: 600 mph

Service Ceiling: 40,500 ft

Range: 4,000 mi

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DC-6

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Performance

Cruise speed: 274 knots (315 mph, 507 km/h)

Range: 2,610 nm (3,010 mi, 4,840 km)

Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,600 m)

Rate of climb: 1,070 ft/min (5.44 m/s)

Powerplant: 4× radial engine, 2,500 hp (1,700 kW) with water injection each

Propellers: Hamilton Standard 43E60 "Hydromatic" constant speed props with autofeather and reverse thrust
 
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You have been proved wrong over and over again by people with far more knowledge and expertise, not to mention patience, than I.


That is basically what I was told when I told skeptics there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4, and that was after they laughed when I told them no weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident, which stopped after the Air Force admitted in 1994 that its 47-year-old weather balloon story was false and amazingly, the Air Force misled the public once again with a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 that never was. Apparently, there are those who fail to learn from history because they fell into the Air Force's trap once again in 1997 when the Air Force misled them on another false story.

Goes to show I know more than they do. You have to understand that doesn't make any difference to me what you think, because you can chose to believe or not to believe, but you have to understand that no matter what you believe, it doesn't change the fact that ET is here and it is that simple.
 
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