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Somebody know about some nice debunk for the 'Pentagon' video ? I hear it was made for some German movie making school in 2007, but people claiming it didn't provide any reference. Of course the To the stars academy stuff is pretty hot, but nobody seems to be catching on that so far ..
 
Rendlesham Forest is not in the USA. It is in another country called the United Kingdom.

Would it help you bought a map of the world?

I'm still laughing at your previous made up claim the Soviet Unions GRU saw UFOs flying over US missiles in the USA. Do many Russian soldiers spot UFO from USA missile bases?
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But hardly surprising for a person who claimed Minuteman missiles were deployed in Vietnam
 
Indeed. Not even you.


I agree with you, but the objects are going to continue to do what they have been doing.


He said stop throwing away tracking data because it might reveal aliens. Did it reveal aliens? No.


He was interested in radar data depicting objects that had nothing to do with spacecrafts. One of the engineers who developed the DSP surveillance satellite at Aerojet has confirmed that the objects are tracked as their arrive from deep space and one of his satellites were involved in the Fast Walker tracking encounter in 1984 and the tracking of UFOs during the iranian UFO encounter.


I got my fill of the Tehran F4 story in another long thread here years ago. Incoherent fragments of claims which only true believers can pull together into a story they like. Garbage.


Factual history do not change over time and in fact, multiple government agencies have documented the Iranian UFO encounter and the documents were sent to the White House. Highly rated, not garbage as you falsely stated.


So where's the *good* stuff?


Let's begin and understand these are just a small drop in the bucket considering there are thousands of UFO reports and counting.

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This is a secret USAF document, declassified because of the Freedom Of Information Act

Air Intelligence Report 100-203-79

T/S CONTROL NO 2-7341
OFFICE TO WHICH LOANED AFOIN-2A
89A DATE DUE IN AFOIN-C/DD 8 July 1952
PLEASE RETURN THIS DOCUMENT ON DATE SPECIFIED ABOVE TO AFOIN-C/DD, ROOM

5C116 ATTENTION: TOP SECRET CONTROL OFFICER.

When the attached document is withdrawn the classification of this sheet will be changed to UNCLASSIFIED in accordance with PAR 25c, AFR 205-1.

TOP SECRET

2-7341
DATE 28 APR 1949
NO 100-203-79
CY. NO 102 OF 103

HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE
DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE
WASHINGTON, D.C.


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AIR FORCE REGULATION THE DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE

No. 200-2 WASHINGTON, 12 AUGUST 1954


Image from U.S. Air Force Publication 200-2
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The image reminded m of the RB-47 pilot by Lewis D. Chase, whose aircraft was chased over multiple states. He would eventually investigate UFO intrusions at Malmstrom AFB.

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Like all Flying Saucer nuts.... long on outrageous claims, short on supporting evidence

Nothing new there then.


I wouldn't say that.

Chile announces UFOs are for real

On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper "La Cuarta" has the following headline: "UFO Sighting of Arica is Confirmed by La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil." Chile did start to join the small number of countries who officially stated that the nature of UFOs is of intelligent driven flying machines

CHILEAN AIR FORCE RECOGNIZES UFOS AS FLYING MACHINES PILOTED BY ET INTELLIGENCE:

The other top reason that explains Chile's recognition and openness about the UFO question is that General Ramon Vega, former Commander of FACh, the Chilean Air Force, has personally observed UFOs on two occasions while in the air.

CHILEAN GOVERNEMENT ESTABLISHED UFO BUREAU

The Chilean Air Force (FACH) recently announced the formation of CEFAA, the name of which translates into English as the Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena. CEFAA is attached to the General Administration of Civil Aeronautics (DGAC), the Chilean equivalent of the FAA. It will study aircraft and radar cases, but will not collect UFO reports from the public.

http://www.cohenufo.org/ChileUFOs.htm
 
Exactly the opposite. I wrote down the lies you have made so far and then carefully found and posted links to the hard evidence proving you were lying.

Do your homework and see for yourself.

confirm what I have said is true.

"But RAF UKADR logs revealed no evidence that any unusual radar tracks had been detected or reported during the entire Christmas period. As a result MoD decided that “US night-time military movements”, ...



I already know that is false. Military movements during the holiday season??? Try again and figure out why the MoD sought to cover-up the Rendlesham UFO incidents.


...the beam from the Orfordness lighthouse or even lights used by poachers were more likely explanations than an alien landing"


False again, because the lighthouse has a back-shield facing the base and the light beam cannot be seen from the East gate which my copatriots who were there, have confirmed nor does the lighthouse explain the UFOs in the sky over multiple nights. BTW, how old is that lighthouse? How many years have U.S. military personnel be stationed at both bases?

Your argument is very weak and it shows that you are wide open to accepting disinformation and misinformation from UFO skeptic websites that have been debunked time and time again. The photos and the map that I've presented shows very clearly why the lighthouse could not been seen from the East gate. in fact, it was impossible. Did you find the names of the radar controllers who've confirmed the UFO over Rendlesham forest? Or, do you want me to furnish the names? If I do, I will make it a point as to where you are coming from.
 
Rendlesham Forest is not in the USA. It is in another country called the United Kingdom.


To let you know the U.S. has a presence at the nearby bases that are not located in the U.S. Where did I ever say that Rendlesham forest was in the U.S.?

I'm still laughing at your previous made up claim the Soviet Unions GRU saw UFOs flying over US missiles in the USA. Do many Russian soldiers spot UFO from USA missile bases?


Ever wondered who the Soviets acquired atomic bomb secrets from the U.S.? Think about it. Your laughter displays your ignorance on the matter.


 
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Do your homework and see for yourself.

No. Your claim, you do the homework.

It is not up to anyone here to do your work for you

I already know that is false. Military movements during the holiday season???

And this shows everyone how little you know about the military.

1980 was the height of the Cold War. There was no "holiday season". for the Air Frce at that time. Ops carried on right through December/January. e.g., Operation Bright Star runs from September through to end of December. It involved personnel from 78th TFW and 91st TFW from Woodbridge and the 81st TFW from Bentwaters. The Klong was in and out of both bases and Lakenheath regularly... I've not only flown on it, I've serviced it too. It was operational throughout the year even through Christmas time.
 
But hardly surprising for a person who claimed Minuteman missiles were deployed in Vietnam


Lol.

At no time did I claim that Minuteman missiles were based in Vietnam. You've got you lines crossed. A UFO passed over my base in Vietnam and after my tour there, I was sent to Hill AFB, where my new base was involved in the UFO incidents over Malmstrom AFB. Just to let you know that Hill AFB is located in Utah, not Vietnam and Hill AFB was my new base and a depot for the Minuteman missile, not Phan Rang airbase, Vietnam.


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I would like for you to obtain the names of the radar controllers who have confirmed the UFO over Rendlesham forest and verify to everyone here that I was correct. You know how to do it and I might add that is the way I work with UFO skeptics when I see the need.


Let me type this slowly:

It.Was.Your.Claim. It.Is.Your. Homework. I'm.Not.Doing.Your.Homework.For.You.
 
The typical UFO skeptic who cannot accept reality for what it is tend to show themselves up. After all, they were the ones who claimed that the Roswell incident was a weather balloon before the Air Force changed its story in 1994 and threw out its weather balloon story, which I knew was false, and change its story to a non-existent Project Mogul balloon flight #4 that never was, which I knew was false as well.

They were weather balloons. It was their purpose that was secret - monitoring soviet nuke tests
 
No. Your claim, you do the homework.

It is not up to anyone here to do your work for you


I have the feeling that you already know the names of the radar controllers who have confirmed the UFO over Rendlesham forest but it seems that you are a bit frighten to post the names of those radar controller and do so for all to see.

And this shows everyone how little you know about the military.


Now, that's amusing to say the least!! 4 years active duty in the Air Force, 1967-71, Phan Rang, Vietnam, and Hill AFB, UT. I've worked at Travis AFB, CA. as an Air Reserve technician (ART)(military and civilian position) 26 years and 18 months working for the Navy on its subs as a government civilian at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, CA., (1972-1973) before I transferred to Travis AFB, and I might add that two of the subs I worked on were the USS Seawolf and USS Halibut. Look up their special missions on Google.

After my retirement, I worked for Raytheon Aerospace, which handed its Air Force contract to Vertex Aerospace and eventually, Vertex handed its contract over to L3 Communications and I stayed on that Air Force contract with all three defense contractors. In addition, I've invented components and equipment for the Air Force, Army and defense contractors and in fact, I was sent by the Air Force and Raytheon Aerospace to Pensacola, Florida to produce a new repair manual for the Air Force's TF-39 engine inlet which powered the C-5 transport at that time. in 2008, I was sent to work on helicopters of the Army at the Corpus Christi Army Depot, Texas. With L3, I soon became a supervisor/inspector on aircraft airframes. I retired permanently in 2011.

After my retirements, I became president of two aviation-related chapters, which consist of Air Force officers and enlisted personnel, Air Force pilots, commercial pilots, private pilots, instructor pilots, student pilots and sport pilots in addition to FAA-certified and military mechanics and inspectors, and DoD civilian personnel and retirees. You can find me on the Internet to give you a hint of the kind of work I am involved in and my connections to the military.

Even in retirement, I am very active and I might add that I am also a historian for one my aviation-related chapters that represents a well-known group of airmen of World War II. Hint: George Lucas made a movie about them.

Red Tails

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/

I am also a pilot of 48 years and began my flight training for my private license at the Hill AFB aero club.


1980 was the height of the Cold War. There was no "holiday season".


Check again because at Travis, we brought as many aircraft back to the base each year during Christmas, even during the Cold War. We also operated with minimum personnel at Christmas time except during wartime conditions such as the Gulf War.
 
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Let me type this slowly:

It.Was.Your.Claim. It.Is.Your. Homework. I'm.Not.Doing.Your.Homework.For.You.


To let you know that this is my way I differentiate between closed-minded UFO skeptics and open-minded UFO skeptics. Close-minded UFO skeptics were skeptics who tried to convince me that a weather balloon crashed on the Foster ranch, that is, before the Air Force dumped its weather balloon claim in 1994, and duped and convinced the same closed-minded UFO skeptics with a Project Mogul balloon flight that never was and that Mogul balloon balloons and their flights were classified, which they were not. In fact, the media was sometimes invited to view launches of Project Mogul balloons and even Mogul experiments were revealed in newspapers across the United States. Case in point:

Princeton, New Jersey, July 12 1947
Headlines:

Balloons -- Not Discs: Princeton Gadget Soars 20 Miles High; Records


* No Atomic Explosions

* 28 Balloons Fail To Send Reports On Cosmic Rays -- Attain 20-Mile

* Altitude, but Equipment Does Not Give Nuclear Explosion Data

* Stratosphere Atom Explosions Probed

* Sky Experiment Apparatus Found -- Flight in Stratosphere Fails to Show Nuclear Explosions Data

Balloon Photos

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And, Mogul balloons were sometimes recovered by civilians for rewards.


Mogul Balloon Recovery By Rancher Sid West

June 8.
Sun. Rancher, Sid West, found balloon train 25 mi south of High Rolls in mountains. Contacted him and made arragements to recover equipment Monday. Got all recordings of balloon flights. Took Treland, Mears, Yinton, Olsen to Alamogordo to catch train this pm

June 9 Mon.

Bill Godbee and Do" Reynolds went out to Sid West's ranch south of High Rolls and brought back recovered balloons- clock, 2 radlosondes. sonobuoy and microphone and lowerpart of dribbler. Bill Edmondso" cleaning up hanger and sorting out equipment of NYU. Worked today on balloon records (GR8) f rom north hanger. No definite signals obtained. Took inventory

PROJECT MOGUL BALLOON REWARD NOTICE

This is special weather equipment Sent aloft on research by New York Univetity.

It is important that the equipment be recovered. The finder L requested to protect

the equipment from damage or theft. and to telegraph collect to: Mr. C. 5. Schneider.

York University. 18lst St. & University Heights, Box 12. New York City.

L.S.A. Phone: LUdlow 3.6310. REFER TO FLIGHT #-__________

A dollar ($ ) reward and reasonable reimbursement for recovery expense will be

paid if the above instruction* are followed before September 1949.

In fact, Project Mogul balloons were fitted with questionnaires with invitations for anyone who recovers a Project Mogul balloon train to add their own data input, which is further proof that Project Mogul balloons were not classified at all.

QUESTIONNAIRE, REWARD AND WARNING TAGS ATTACHED TO PROJECT MOGUL BALLOONS


Please answer this and send to us so that we may pay you the

Reward.

1. On what date and at what hour was the balloon discovered?

2. Where was it discovered? (Approximate distance and direction

from nearest town on map?)

3. Was it observed descending? If so, at what time?

4. Did it float down slowly or fall rapidly?

5. How much kerosene was there in the tank?

C. S. Schneider

Research Division

New York University

University Heights

Bronx 53. New York


And, Project Mogul balloons had warning tags attached as well.

DANGER!

FIRE!

CUT THESE WIRES

BEFORE HANDLING

_______________________

DANGER!

EMPTY THIS ON GROUND

BEFORE HANDLING


Project Moguls were not classified at all and were just research balloons. However, the Air Force managed to convince the close-minded UFO skeptics that Project Mogul balloons were classified when in fact, they were not. The Air Force never told the public in its 1994 Roswell Report that Project Mogul and Skyhook balloon teams were also tracking flying saucers over New Mexico.

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN


In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground, who worked independently of this magazine's investigation. He reveals how a troup of Navy men and scientists tracked a flying disk with a precision instrument and tells of flights he and others witnessed.

https://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm


U.S. NAVAL UNIT
WHITE SANDS PROVING GROUNDS
LAS CRUCES, NEW MEXICO


12 May, 1949

AIR MAIL

Dr. J. A. Van Allen
Applied Physics Laboratory
Johns Hopkins University
Silver Spring, Maryland



Dear Van:

No doubt you have read some of the reports in the papers and magazines about these so-called flying saucers. We were fortunate enough a few weeks ago to pick up one of these objects in a theodolite and tracked it for a period of almost one minute. The man doing the tracking was Mr. C. B. Moore of the New York University, now with the General Mills Company of Minneapolis, Minnesota.

In addition to this, he (Charles Moore) had been head of Project Mogul for the Air Force.
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And now, for the scoop that I was talking about.


RENDLESHAM UFO: Startling new evidence 'could solve Britain's Roswell once and for all'

Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim


New evidence has been gathered to back up claims a UFO landed near a US airbase in Suffolk, a former deputy commander has claimed.
Col Charles Halt told the BBC he saw unidentified objects at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980.

He says he now has statements from radar operators at RAF Bentwaters and nearby Wattisham airfield that an unknown object was tracked at the time.

Col Halt claimed it was seen by himself and base security staff.

He tracked down who was manning the radars and control tower at the time and identified them as Jim Carey and Ike Barker.

The pair reveal their testimonies in the video for the first time, claiming a UFO was caught on radar, and that they saw it.

Mr Carey described seeing an object on radar when Mr Halt was in the forest.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weir...ould-solve-Britain-s-Roswell-once-and-for-all

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-33447592
 
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They were weather balloons. It was their purpose that was secret - monitoring soviet nuke tests


There was no weather balloons and I found that those who posed with the weather balloon rawin device have said the weather balloon rawin device they posed with did not come from the ranch, but right off the shelf and destroyed and presented in Ramey's office.

AFFIDAVIT

(1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General.

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eight Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel.

(5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen.

(6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.

(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.
(8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: T. J. Dubose
Date: 9/16/91

Signature witnessed by:
Linda R. Split
Notary Public, State of Florida

http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html


In other words, Dubose confirms that the debris he posed with was placed there as a cover-up.


Brig. Gen. Arthur E. Exon


In 1947 Exon was a Lt.-Colonel stationed at Wright Field at the time of the Roswell crash and heard of the incident at that time. He said he also flew over the area of the crash some months later. He observed two distinct crash sites and gouges and tire tracks on the ground leading into the "pivotal areas."

From 1964-66 he was the Commanding Officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, where crash material was taken in 1947. He said other UFO-related field operations were staged at W-P during his tenure. Teams of men would fly in from Washington on an investigation. W-P would supply them with planes and crews for their operations.

(RUCU) (C&S, p. 191, 194)
"...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space."
(Confirmation, p. 250)
Among the things that Exon was very specific about was that everybody "from Truman on down" had known about the Roswell incident from the day it happened, and that it was known to be an alien spacecraft "almost as soon as we got on the scene."

http://www.roswellproof.com/Exon.html


And, the Air Force duped closed-minded skeptics again with its 1997 Roswell Report. Look what was going on in California during the Roswell incident in New Mexico.

MUROC AFB INCIDENT, CALIFORNIA
July 8, 1947



Series of sightings over MUROC AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, secret test base, California:

Morning: Two spherical or disc-like UFOs joined by a third object. (XII)
Crew of technicians saw white-aluminum UFO with distinct oval outline descending,
moving against wind, (II).
Afternoon: Thin "metallic" UFO climbed, dove, oscillated over field, also seen by test pilot in vicinity.
(XII)
F-51 pilot watched a flat object "of light-reflecting nature" pass above his plane. No
known aircraft were in the area. (XII)

Section II: Technicians at Secret Test Base Observe Mechanical UFO
At Muroc AFB (now Edwards AFB) and adjacent Rogers Dry Lake, scientists and engineers test and develop the latest aircraft, including secret projects. Althoroughly familiar with anything that flies, the base technical personnel had no explanation for the UFOs which maneuvered over the area July 8, 1947. Twice that morning, disc-shaped objects were observed cavorting overhead. Then about 11:50 AM, a crew of technicians at Rogers saw a round white, apparently metallic object descending, moving west nortwest against the wind. They observed thick projections on top which crossed each other at intervals, suggesting either rotation or oscillation. In their official report they stated:

CONFIDENTIAL


A F F I D A V I T

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)
COUNTY OF KERN)


The following is a statement given by 1st. Lt. Joseph C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947, to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC S/A. this station.

The following statement concerning the actual observance of what has been termed as a "flying Disc" or a "flying saucer" is true and correct and it will be noted that the above mentioned observance was made by me personally while enjoying complete health in mind and body.

On Tuesday 8 July 1947, at approximately nine-thirty A.M. (09:30) was in conversation with personnel in the Post Exchange Office. My part of this conversation was as follows:

"Someone will have to show me one of these Disc (sic) before I will believe it."

Upon leaving the Post Exchange, I went directly to my Office and before entering heard one of our local aircraft in the traffic pattern. Looking up, as I always do I observed the aircraft, and looked slightly to the left, whereupon I observed two (2) silver objects of either a spherical or disc-like shape, moving about three hundred (300) miles an hour, or perhaps less, as approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, heading at about three hundred twenty degrees (320) due north.

When I first observed these objects I called S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and Miss Jannette Marie Scotte who immediately came to where I was standing. I pointed in the direction of the objects, and asked them the question "Tell me what you see up there." Whereupon, all the three (3) with sundry comments stated, "They are flying Disc". To further verify my observance I asked them to tell me in what direction the objects were traveling, without indicating their direction myself, and again, all three (3) in a consistant nature stated that the objects were moving toward Mojave, California.

I had time to look away several times and renew my vision of the objects to make sure that they were not any results of eye strain, or in any nature an optical illusion. The objects in question were not repeat, were not aircraft, the objects could not have been weather balloons released from this station, since they were traveling against the prevailing wind, and since the speed in which they were traveling, disqualified the fact that they were weather balloons.

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html


To sum it up, closed-minded skepticism blinds the mind to reality.
 
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Please provide larger proofs. These are too small. Also is repeating every one of them in every post enough ? I still don't seem to believe. Try to duplicate everything every time you post. That way it will grow exponentially, and I'm sure it will, sooner or later, convince everybody.
 
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Check again because at Travis, we brought as many aircraft back to the base each year during Christmas, even during the Cold War. We also operated with minimum personnel at Christmas time except during wartime conditions such as the Gulf War.

Travis is NOT in Europe.

The European bases (Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Bentwaters, Greenham Common, Woodbridge, Aviano, Ramstein and many others) were at the front line of the Cold War. Soviet SS20s pointing at Europe made people nervous.

Those USAFE bases were operational 24/7/365. Aircraft flew in and out of them every day of the week, including Christmas day. Operations did not stop just because it was holiday season
 
Please provide larger proofs. These are too small. Also is repeating every one of them in every post enough ? I still don't seem to believe. Try to duplicate everything every time you post. That way it will grow exponentially, and I'm sure it will, sooner or later, convince everybody.

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous


I think he's been taking propaganda lessons from Herr Goebbels
 
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Exactly the opposite. I wrote down the lies you have made so far and then carefully found and posted links to the hard evidence proving you were lying.
Do your homework and see for yourself.
You have been caught making up, over twenty lies and failing to offer any citation or evidence when questioned. I have provided direct links to hard evidence detailing your lies.

Entertainingly, you have offered us two brand bits of complete idiocy.
Ever wondered who the Soviets acquired atomic bomb secrets from the U.S.?
That would be Julius and Ethel Rosenberg who were tried and executed for sending Manhattan atomic bomb details to the Soviet Union. You have just admitted to the entire forum you don't know anything about military secrets and basic history. :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg


I already know that is false. Military movements during the holiday season???
You were never in any military services. Yom Kippur is a holiday. Can you think of anything about any famous military actions and Yom Kippur? :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
 
The Big Joke / The Declassified Report / Luis Elizondo

I hope everyone here can see the humour......

In 2017, Luis Elizondo claimed to be the director of a declassified UFO program called Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program that closed in 2012. The program, he said was to report on alien UFOS. He gives a video to the New York Times that he claims he stole from the Department of Defense.

So where is the declassified report compiled by Luis Elizondo?
:eek:

It gets funnier. There already was a fake video of the Nimitz "Tic-Tac" UFO on you-tube in 2007. Luis hands a newer enhanced fake version, created by his UFO chasing business To The Stars Academy Limited, to the New York Times. The Pentagon state that never gave any UFO video to Luis Elizondo.
https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage.t9190/

How many UFO Researchers have contacted Luis Elizondo so far to ask about the report he compiled as a director of the program. Absolutely Zero. :D
 
In certain ways I guess you might say. After all, it was the Air Force that supplied me with Project Mogul balloon records that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. The records show that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight 4 on June 4, 1947 and that records show that Project Mogul balloons were not classified at all and recovered by civilians for rewards. And, I found documentation that Project Mogul and Skyhook balloon teams were tracking flying saucers, one of whom was Charles Moore, listed as Head of Project Mogul.





No magic at all. Just reality the objects were not of this earth. Over the years, the government has been releasing its declassified UFO files gaging public reaction before full disclosure. Ever wondered why nations around the world have been slowly releasing their declassified UFO files over the years? Ever wondered why the United Nations has been preparing for disclosure? Make no mistake, disclosure will not come soon, but it is coming. The government remembers what happened during the 1938 ‘War of the Worlds’ broadcast and the chilling Brookings Institute warning report to NASA in 1960 regarding full disclosure. Ever wondered why CBS pulled the audio plug on live TV in 1958 as it related to UFOs? Hint: it was done in the interest of national security.

Just to let know the Air Force has already acknowledged the objects in question are, in the Air Force’s own words; “Interplanetary Spaceships.” That can help explain headlines such as these.

Ex-Pilot Tells of 1957 Order to Fire at U.F.O

LONDON - An American fighter pilot flying from an English air base at the height of the cold war was ordered to open fire on a massive unidentified object that had lighted up his radar screen, according to an account published on Monday by Britain’s National Archives.

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And yes, even the U.S. Air Force Academy has confirmed that we have fired on flying saucers. Seeing an object with my own eyes was more than enough to make me a believer and later, a UFO researcher.



Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.


We just ignore this and all similar items by dod, aerospace and air force guys etc because we know better
 

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