Merged Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program UFO'S

[Pixel42]

We ignore it because it's the same garbage that's already been debunked over and over and over again, as you would know if you had been following these threads as long as some of us oldtimers.

How many times does the same nonsense need to be debunked before it becomes OK to just ignore it, Bubba?

 

[John Jones]

Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.


We just ignore this and all similar items by dod, aerospace and air force guys etc because we know better

Who is we, kemosabe? It's off-topic, ancient history, and of dubious provenance.

But you were Just Asking Questions again. Amirite?

 

[smartcooky]

Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.

We just ignore this and all similar items by dod, aerospace and air force guys etc because we know better

Just to let you know, we do not address his stuff because we have all seen it all before; it is old (some of it 60-70 years) and it has all been addressed before many times on this and other forums.

The material he posts in is walls of BS has been repeatedly debunked. Those things that have not been debunked are flat out lies which he makes up on the spot, when challenged. He then tries to get US to do his research for him (which is really code for the fact that he cannot find the supporting evidence he needs)

Any mug can claim to have been "in the military", you can google enough stuff to make such claims that superficially look genuine, but real ex-military like myself and fibbermcgee can spot frauds like him a mile off because there are aspects of being in the military that you can't google, and you get wrong when you try to guess... e.g., no military operations over the holiday seasons. The military don't stop for the holidays.

 

[John Jones]

My grandpa worked on the Saturn V rocket that took Apollo 8 to lunar orbit and back - the first manned space flight to leave Earth orbit. He got an Apollo medallion from NASA for his work on that flight. Sucks not to have been my grandpa in late Dec 1968, I guess.

Don't start again with your 'knowledge from bare assertion' arguments, unless you want us all to reply in kind.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.


We just ignore this and all similar items by dod, aerospace and air force guys etc because we know better

I hadn't noticed that, perhaps because I am not part of this 'we' you refer to.

What I had noticed was the efforts of myself, MatthewEllard, smartcooky and others to go through skyeagle409's walls of spam and debunk them. It is also noticeable that skyeagle409 displays the same tendency of so many conspiracy theorists, in which he ignores most of this and continues to post old and flimsy anecdotal evidence and long-debunked"sightings" apparently unperturbed. You might want to have another look at this thread, and the two others I have linked to above, in which skyeagle409 received something of a bloody nose when he tried this before, before you claim no-one is addressing anything. You could also re-read the several occasions where members here have posted that they would be quite happy, if not actually exultant, to discover that aliens really were visiting the earth. (I include myself in this category, btw). All we need is convincing evidence, and this ain't it, I'm afraid.

Bubba: if the DOD and other members of the military-industrial complex told you something was true, without providing any supporting evidence, would you take their word for it? Do you blindly accept everything your government tells you, or do you exercise caution and look for corroboration?
Yes, this line of questioning may sound very familiar to you- almost like something you would say yourself. If you cite these sources as reliable when they agree with your preconceived ideas, but damn them as blatant and cynical propagandists when they don't, you are rather leaving yourself open to accusations of confirmation bias, don't you think?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.

We have dealt with every alien UFO claim ever posted on this forum. The real question is why the UFO fans never lift a finger to do any research to support their belief system.

If Luis Elizondo really had a declassified Pentagon report into alien UFOs then why haven't one of our UFO fans contacted him at To the Stars Academy Limited and asked him for it?


"The TTS Academy is here to answer your questions. Please fill out the form and one of our representatives will get back to you promptly."
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

 

[BStrong]

On the contrary, the military took measurements as well including radiation readings which were higher in the depressions than the surrounding area. Ever wondered how one of the persons involved was able to collect on his injuries in that area? Think about it. What supported his case?

I'm not too inclined to trust a source that doesn't know that "VA" stands for Veterans Administration, not Association.

If they can't even get that right...

 

[smartcooky]

I'm not too inclined to trust a source that doesn't know that "VA" stands for Veterans Administration, not Association.

If they can't even get that right...

...which only goes to strengthen the point I made in post #243.

A geniune ex-US airman, especially one who claims to have served in 'nam, would have spotted such an obvious error and fixed it.

NOTE: I think VA now actually stands for Veteran's Affairs, but it still would have been Veteran's Administration in the 1980's

 

[BStrong]

...which only goes to strengthen the point I made in post #243.

A geniune ex-US airman, especially one who claims to have served in 'nam, would have spotted such an obvious error and fixed it.

NOTE: I think VA now actually stands for Veteran's Affairs, but it still would have been Veteran's Administration in the 1980's

That is the recent name - I'm an old fart, to me it's Administration.

I should note that the argument between the VA and Burroughs rests on coverage, not causation.

I'm no expert on radiation exposure, but congestive heart failure 30 + years after "exposure" sounds unlikely to me.

 

[Bubba]

Well then. I see. That sheds a different light on it.

 

[skyeagle409]

Notice we hardly address any of this stuff.


We just ignore this and all similar items by dod, aerospace and air force guys etc because we know better

But, that hasn't stopped me after all of these years and ET is not going to change habits based on what UFO skeptics or myself, believe. They are just going to continue doing what they have been doing for a very long time.

UFO skeptics need to get it together and do their own research.

 

[skyeagle409]

Travis is NOT in Europe.

And, it is not in Mexico, it is in California and some Air Force personnel at Travis were also based at RAF Bentwaters.

The European bases (Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Bentwaters, Greenham Common, Woodbridge, Aviano, Ramstein and many others) were at the front line of the Cold War. Soviet SS20s pointing at Europe made people nervous.

Those USAFE bases were operational 24/7/365. Aircraft flew in and out of them every day of the week, including Christmas day. Operations did not stop just because it was holiday season

You can confusing military operations with exercises. The military does not completely shut down military operations during holidays, it cuts back.

BTW, what military exercise was conducted at the two bases in question during the Christmas holiday season of 1980?

 

[skyeagle409]

The material he posts in is walls of BS has been repeatedly debunked.

False!! Where's your evidence and I would like for you to post your evidence that my post have been debunked for all to see.

To sum it up, you have no such evidence.

 

[skyeagle409]

...which only goes to strengthen the point I made in post #243.

A geniune ex-US airman, especially one who claims to have served in 'nam, would have spotted such an obvious error and fixed it.

NOTE: I think VA now actually stands for Veteran's Affairs, but it still would have been Veteran's Administration in the 1980's

Not only have I served in Vietnam, at Hill AFB, UT, Travis AFB, CA. and TDY in Thailand, Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ., Andrews AFB, the Philippines, Guam, Japan, Okinawa, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, CA., Corpus Christ Army Depot, but I have been invited by the VA in the past to speak before its groups in San Francisco CA. and Oakland, CA. Even the Air Force has me covered and once again you can find me on the Internet.

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...tion-of-highway-dedicated-to-tuskegee-airmen/

 

[Matthew Ellard]

UFO skeptics need to get it together and do their own research.

Have you sent Luis Elizondo an email requesting a copy of the declassified Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Report?

The TTS Academy is here to answer your questions. Please fill out the form and one of our representatives will get back to you promptly.
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

Secondly, can you tell us what UFO video Tom Delonge showed at the To the Stars Academy launch? What was that date? When did Elizondo say the Pentagon released the same UFO video?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

False!! Where's your evidence and I would like for you to post your evidence that my post have been debunked for all to see.

Excellent. You will start answering our direct questions and we will show you were you were previously debunked. Let's start.....

1) What was the background radiation in Rendlesham Forest compared to the radiation readings you claim are evidence an alien UFO landed.

2) What makes your three landing indentations (38mm deep) different to the thousands of rabbit scrapings in the same forest? (Don't say radiation).

"As for the radiation detected at the “landing site” three independent scientific experts, including the makers of the Geiger counter, have since stated there was nothing unusual in the levels recorded by Halt’s team in the forest. They were simply background levels that would be expected in a pine forest."
https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/secret-files-4/

 

[skyeagle409]

I'm not too inclined to trust a source that doesn't know that "VA" stands for Veterans Administration, not Association.

If they can't even get that right...

Trust the sources, because they real. BTW, the VA and I are very close friends indeed. I was invited to speak before the VA in Oakland, CA. in February 2017 and again, at the VA Home, Yountville, CA.

For your information:

The Department of Veterans Affairs Act of 1988 (Pub.L. 100–527) changed the former Veterans Administration, an independent government agency established in 1930, primarily to see to the needs of World War I veterans, into a Cabinet-level Department of Veterans Affairs. It was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on October 25, 1988, but actually came into effect under the term of his successor, George H. W. Bush, on March 15, 1989.

 

[skyeagle409]

Have you sent Luis Elizondo an email requesting a copy of the declassified Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Report?

Check this out because it is very clear the object is not a weather balloon. According to the video, tell us all who released the video in 2004? What did one of the pilots say?


NAVY PILOTS UFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlbqOl_4NA

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[skyeagle409]

2) What makes your three landing indentations (38mm deep) different to the thousands of rabbit scrapings in the same forest? (Don't say radiation).


What difference do you see between the photos? The depressions are similar to what was found at the Socorro UFO landing site.

"As for the radiation detected at the “landing site” three independent scientific experts, including the makers of the Geiger counter, have since stated there was nothing unusual in the levels recorded by Halt’s team in the forest. They were simply background levels that would be expected in a pine forest."
https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/secret-files-4/

it was determined that radiation levels were above normal background levels and that was underlined when an airman was granted a win against the government because of the radiation readings at the site.

Airman Wins Full VA Benefits For UFO Radiation Exposure

The incident took place in December of 1980. At the time, Burroughs, a policeman in the U.S. Air Force stationed in Suffolk, England, was investigating a mysterious craft in the forest, The Inquisitr reports. As Burroughs and his team ventured into the forest and closer to the source, the lights suddenly disappeared, leaving the team grasping for an explanation.

The next day, the lights reappeared, and the team again investigated. Burroughs stated that he came in direct contact with lights flying around the forest—in other words, UFOs. Out of nowhere, the lights beaming down blasted him with a wave of radiation. The UK government eventually confirmed the incredibly high levels of radiation in that exact location.
Finally, the legal team working with Burroughs found documents from the British Ministry of Defense which proved that significant levels of radiation were detected at exactly the location where Burroughs encountered the strange lights. After the documents surfaced, the U.S. government could no longer deny that Burroughs suffered from radiation exposure, and now the Department of Veterans Affairs is set to grant Burroughs full medical disability.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/06/airman-ufo/

 

[skyeagle409]

Don't start again with your 'knowledge from bare assertion' arguments, unless you want us all to reply in kind.

There is much that I have yet to reveal and you can now put me on the record for inviting you to challenge with evidence what I post.

A simple enough challenge for you.