Adnan Syed - Serial / Undisclosed

Ampulla of Vater said:
Lack of documentation does not mean it didn't happen.

But you are really getting bogged down in minutiae here. How much of the MPIA have you read, or have you been getting most of your information from LL2? That is a highly biased source for evidence. It is best to not use sources with an agenda, and to do your own investigating.
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Again, an Ad Hominem.

I was in junior high soccer, high school ski, and high school track teams. . . .Never was a star to be honest. I also competed in karate outside of school.

That I can recall, it has been decades, there were never back to back meets. Maybe there were some but they are extremely rare.

The reasoning is simply if you think about it for a few moments, and it is something that Susan Simpson may not realize, that you need a few days to recover from each competition. In a match, you will push yourself harder than you do on day to day training.

I also recall a few things from the wrestling team in my high school. My physics teacher was also the wrestling coach. I remember that they were always fighting to reduce their weight slightly before each match. That will also take a toll.

As such, since there was a match the day before, it is incredibly unlikely that there was a match that day. Couple that with there being no record of there being a match that day, I would make it a virtual certainty that there was no wrestling match that day. I trust documentary evidence before I trust eye witness evidence.
 
I thought the timeline of the crime was tied down by the cousin pickup? She has to pick up her young cousin after school, which let out at 3 or whatever, she never did, ergo the crime happened before then? Don't see how a wrestling match would factor into it.
 
bagels said:
I thought the timeline of the crime was tied down by the cousin pickup? She has to pick up her young cousin after school, which let out at 3 or whatever, she never did, ergo the crime happened before then? Don't see how a wrestling match would factor into it.
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Being that it is more or less documented, that would appear to be solid. Now, she could have been with somebody and lost track of the time. Obviously though, she was indisposed for that time frame though.

The trouble of course is with conflicting eye witnesses, things get extremely complicated. If Becky is correct about Hae leaving school at 1415 and Asia about Adnan being in the library until 1440, I don't see how Adnan could have been involved in Hae's murder.
 
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Desert Fox said:
Being that it is more or less documented, that would appear to be solid. Now, she could have been with somebody and lost track of the time. Obviously though, she was indisposed for that time frame though.

The trouble of course is with conflicting eye witnesses, things get extremely complicated. If Becky is correct about Hae leaving school at 1415 and Asia about Adnan being in the library until 1440, I don't see how Adnan could have been involved in Hae's murder.
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Except Asia herself stated she has memory problems, so she doesn't make such a good witness. She also said she specifically remembered that day because it snowed. She goes into great detail about how she remembered conning her mother into more time at her boyfriend's house and how she used the snow as an excuse. Whoops, it didn't snow that day.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Except Asia herself stated she has memory problems, so she doesn't make such a good witness. She also said she specifically remembered that day because it snowed. She goes into great detail about how she remembered conning her mother into more time at her boyfriend's house and how she used the snow as an excuse. Whoops, it didn't snow that day.
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It is interesting how people who went to the hearing did not report that. . . . .
 
You seem completely and utterly convinced of guilt no matter what. You could likely find DNA of another suspect and youi would still be convince of guilt.

We saw that with the cell phone evidence. There are huge number of articles which indicate that cell phone evidence is simply not as reliable as prosecutors have tried to argue. . . .You breezily ignore all of that.

There are still people convinced that Amanda Knox is guilty, thee are still people convinced that the Norfolk Four are guilty, there are still people who are convinced that David Camm is guilty.

I am not convinced that Adnan Syed is innocent. I do not believe that he is guilty but I accept that he could be. That you will not waver in the light of any evidence makes me just a bit skeptical about your statements.

Your use of Ad Hominems shows that you also do not want to argue from substance.
 
I have seen in plenty of clear cases of innocence for the state to appeal an overturned verdict. It is far more common for the prosecution to try than to allow it to go back to retrial.

Now I am sure that AoV has some funny name or insults for Colon Miller but he has pointed out multiple legal precedents which makes the overturned conviction not likely to be reinstated including a very recent US Supreme Court case.
 
Friend of the Court Brief in 2018

"Amici are the Maryland Criminal Defense Attorneys' Association (MCDAA),1 the Maryland Office of the Public Defender (OPD),2..." Link

A quick reading of this document indicates that these organizations thought that not following up a possible non-family alibi witness was a serious error. My understanding is that a new trial was denied 4-3 by the Maryland Court of Appeals.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
"Amici are the Maryland Criminal Defense Attorneys' Association (MCDAA),1 the Maryland Office of the Public Defender (OPD),2..." Link

A quick reading of this document indicates that these organizations thought that not following up a possible non-family alibi witness was a serious error. My understanding is that a new trial was denied 4-3 by the Maryland Court of Appeals.
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You are correct. It didn’t make it past the second prong of Strickland - that it would have changed the outcome of the trial. There was enough other evidence, thus rendering Asia McClain and her story worthless, so to speak.

Here is the police file, obtained via MPIA.
And here is part 2 which are the pictures, minus the excavation of her body. I have those, but we decided it best to attempt to keep them off the internet.
 
I listened to the Serial podcast a while back, and while it was a really interesting story, over time I began to think that the podcast creators were determined to clutch at any straw they could find. "It wasn't possible to get from point A to point B in time." - the podcasters timed themselves and were disappointed to find that, yes, it was possible. I know, this expert on police interrogations can shed some light on the confirmation biases that investigators tend to have. Oh, he looked it at and said it was a surprisingly good investigation. Okay, let's try and throw dirt on the whole idea that we can ever remember clearly anything about the past, but at the same time let's make one girl's memory of seeing the accused the centrepiece bit of evidence for claiming Adnan is innocent.

On the other side of the ledger is...erm...Adnan's guilty plea. That makes things tricky to start with. But more so there are Jay and Jenn's testimonies which not only explicitly incriminate Adnan but also come with actual knowledge about the crime itself. It's been a while since I listened, but didn't Jay say he knew where they had parked Hae Min's car, and where the car was found. That's pretty solid evidence for thinking that Jay is reliable. Weren't there a number of disturbing incidents (things said by Adnan etc...) that seemed to indicate Adnan might have wanted to harm Hae Min?

Please feel free to correct any points I have made. It was a while ago since I listened to the Serial podcast, and as I think they said, memory is unreliable.
 
Yes, Jay knowing where the car was is a problem for Syed. Of course his cheerleaders claim the detectives told him where it was. The problem with that is in the police file, you can see how they were desperately searching for the vehicle, including hiring a helicopter.

Many people put Jay with Syed for most of the day, which is also a problem for Syed, because the whole “Jay did it by himself” claim does not hold water.

Hae’s diary contained a few entries regarding Syed’s possessiveness and there was some testimony from friends that he showed up at times when Hae was with the girls at a girls function. Apparently he couldn’t stand her having time without him.

It is extremely unlikely Syed did not do this murder. It is sad to me that so many people have been duped into thinking he is wrongfully convicted. There are plenty of people who have been wrongfully convicted who would better deserve the attention, the donations and the court’s time.
 
Yes, I have just been skimming through that police report. Indeed, I can see that the police's interest in finding the car is one of the main strands of the investigation.

Nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Met with Jennifer.
Met with Wilds.
Boom... they find the car and a description of the murder.

The 27th February file is really instructive.

Adnan Syed is totally and obviously guilty.
 
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