Adnan Syed - Serial / Undisclosed

Desert Fox said:
Why do you think he saw her body? What makes you think that he stated anything which could not have simply came from the police?
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Because he said he did. And there is no evidence of police coercion.

As to why he has not recanted, pretty simple. He is riding a tiger and afraid to get off. Somehow he managed to get through this without any jail time.
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Again, if he has nothing to do with this murder then why should he be afraid of jail time?

He changes his story too much and suddenly find himself in the jaws of the tiger.
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I don't think there is any chance of Jay or anyone else (unless there is large pile of witness testimony against them) being charged with this murder now. Unless you mean the tiger is Baltimore drug gangsters - then you might have a point.

His defense attorney believes that without the deal, he would have been facing murder changes himself in the county (not city) of Baltimore, which at the time tended to seek the death penalty and had a heavy conservative white population.
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Again, the only evidence against him is his own statement made without any indications of coercion.

Since without his statement we don't know when Hae was killed - why didn't the police accuse Don of doing it after his shift finished? Don only has an alibi when you know when the murder was committed.
 
An interesting follow up with regards to "knowing" that Hae was strangled. . . .According to Laura Richards, strangulation is the most common means of death of woman by men - said this in response to the Avery case not this case - so it is very likely any guess would include that.
 
What do you think the odds are of someone's cell phone bill showing two pings in a park on the exact same day that someone's ex-girlfriend goes missing and is found six weeks later buried in the park where the pings occurred? Let's say the cellphone pings may have been wrong. How unlucky must one be to have your ex-girlfriend get murdered and buried where your cell phone erroneously pings on the exact same date?

Let's add to that unluckiness that your buddy tells the cops you killed your ex-girlfriend and required help with burying her body and stashing her car and that buddy leads cops to the abandoned car, the car that the cops hired helicopters to try and find just a day or two prior.

Let's add just one more thing, although there are many. The day your ex-girlfriend goes missing right after school and ends up murdered is the same day three people hear you ask her for a ride somewhere after school.

Not guilty... I don't think so.
 
Desert Fox said:
Hmm, Cell Phone evidence
http://www.economist.com/news/unite...ience-putting-innocent-people-jail-two-towers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8be93c-faf3-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html

https://ncforensics.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/using-cell-tower-data-to-track-a-suspects-location/
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Why don't you address my post? I explicitly stated if you assume it is not correct, what do you think the odds are of all that happening, including erroneous pings.

You got nothin', I assume. That's right, because golden boy did it. All you can do is throw the cell phone junk science meme at the wall. You cannot address the corroborating evidence which makes those pings more probably accurate than not.

And that was only a small part of the evidence. Hmmm.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
What do you think the odds are of someone's cell phone bill showing two pings in a park on the exact same day that someone's ex-girlfriend goes missing and is found six weeks later buried in the park where the pings occurred? Let's say the cellphone pings may have been wrong. How unlucky must one be to have your ex-girlfriend get murdered and buried where your cell phone erroneously pings on the exact same date?

Let's add to that unluckiness that your buddy tells the cops you killed your ex-girlfriend and required help with burying her body and stashing her car and that buddy leads cops to the abandoned car, the car that the cops hired helicopters to try and find just a day or two prior.

Let's add just one more thing, although there are many. The day your ex-girlfriend goes missing right after school and ends up murdered is the same day three people hear you ask her for a ride somewhere after school.

Not guilty... I don't think so.
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Did I say he didn't do it? No.

Would I bet there is reasonable doubt found? Yes
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
And that was only a small part of the evidence. Hmmm.
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"All the other evidence". . . .Where have I heard that before?

If you have ever listened to Mark Crislis, he is a practicing Infectious Disease specialist in Portland, Oregon. He also runs Quackcast. One of the issues he brings up is when you have a lot of crap evidence, it is still crap.
 
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Desert Fox said:
"All the other evidence". . . .Where have I heard that before?

If you have ever listened to Mark Crislis, he is a practicing Infectious Disease specialist in Portland, Oregon. He also runs Quackcast. One of the issues he brings up is when you have a lot of crap evidence, it is still crap.
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So you can't address the other evidence then. I thought not.
 
I'm just an idiot that listened to a podcast, but it seems to me a new trial is terribly bad news for the prosecution.

I do agree with Ampulla that Adnan is the only reasonable candidate for the killer, but by the time all is said and done he'll have served nearly 20 years in prison, which is probably what he could have pleaded for to begin with.
 
bagels said:
I'm just an idiot that listened to a podcast, but it seems to me a new trial is terribly bad news for the prosecution.

I do agree with Ampulla that Adnan is the only reasonable candidate for the killer, but by the time all is said and done he'll have served nearly 20 years in prison, which is probably what he could have pleaded for to begin with.
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Look further into Don. Bob Ruff with Truth and Justice is a good source to listen to.

One thing is that if Adnan committed the murder, it did not at all resemble the fantasy created by the prosecution.
 
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bagels said:
I do agree with Ampulla that Adnan is the only reasonable candidate for the killer, but by the time all is said and done he'll have served nearly 20 years in prison, which is probably what he could have pleaded for to begin with.
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But if he is found not-guilty on re-trial he'll probably be able to sue for wrongful conviction and get millions of dollars from the state or city or whoever convicted him.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Why don't you address my post? I explicitly stated if you assume it is not correct, what do you think the odds are of all that happening, including erroneous pings.

You got nothin', I assume. That's right, because golden boy did it. All you can do is throw the cell phone junk science meme at the wall. You cannot address the corroborating evidence which makes those pings more probably accurate than not.

And that was only a small part of the evidence. Hmmm.
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IMO he did address it. He even provided you a similar case where a conviction was vacated and the person record cleaned. With a single tower you do not pinpoint a location, you pinpoint mostly a radius area the phone is in (not even a distance). You need more than one tower to reduce to a slice area, and 3 to pinpoint a rather small location.

The problem is that from what I can read they only have one tower not two or three.

Did I read wrong ? If not then you may have misunderstood the problem.
 
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bagels said:
I'm just an idiot that listened to a podcast, but it seems to me a new trial is terribly bad news for the prosecution.

I do agree with Ampulla that Adnan is the only reasonable candidate for the killer, but by the time all is said and done he'll have served nearly 20 years in prison, which is probably what he could have pleaded for to begin with.
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Wilds is the other suspect. It would not be the first time a male acquaintance kill a female he lust on because she refused his advance or he wants to hide a rape. Just sayin'.
 
Aepervius said:
Wilds is the other suspect. It would not be the first time a male acquaintance kill a female he lust on because she refused his advance or he wants to hide a rape. Just sayin'.
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Don is a better suspect.
1. There is evidence that Hae said that she planned to meet Don right after school.
2. It looks like his mother forged his time sheet for when the murder took place. This is supported by a number of current and former Lexotica employees who say that there are problems with it. Time between job sites (working at two stores) also seems to support that he was not working the times listed.
3. The police called to try to get in contact with him much earlier and he did not call them back until around 01:00 am. Based on some evidence on the body, that would have been soon after burying her.
I think that Bob Ruff may have additional evidence of guilt that he is keeping under wraps. Get between the lines that he thinks it supports Don being the murder as well.
 
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Aepervius said:
IMO he did address it. He even provided you a similar case where a conviction was vacated and the person record cleaned. With a single tower you do not pinpoint a location, you pinpoint mostly a radius area the phone is in (not even a distance). You need more than one tower to reduce to a slice area, and 3 to pinpoint a rather small location.

The problem is that from what I can read they only have one tower not two or three.

Did I read wrong ? If not then you may have misunderstood the problem.
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Yes, you read wrong. I asked him to address the other evidence.

So you can't address the other evidence then.
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The fact that 3 separate witnesses overheard him ask Hae for a ride after school (opportunity), despite the fact that he had a car.

The fact that he told the cop he did not ask Hae for a ride.

The corroborating evidence from Jenn Pusateri and NHRN Kathy.

His possessiveness of Hae as described in her diary.

That he called Hae 3 times the night before she went missing and never called her again.

Etc. etc. etc...

His response was:

when you have a lot of crap evidence, it is still crap.
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I do not consider that an answer.
 
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