ACORN filmmaker arrested

[leftysergeant]

You add this incident to all the other ones and you clearly see that the organization is indeed corrupt.

Vera in San Diego was fired for what he did in the tapes. The manager consulted with supervisors and state ACORN officials and found Vera's actions unacceptable.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/san_diego_acorn_worker_fired_following_XuE1n2XNkt7HRKvM0gemkN The head of ACORN, Lewis was outraged at how the employees behaved and called them "stupid". http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/20/acorn-ceo-outraged-behavior-employees-prostitute-tapes/

There is also the possibility that they were trying to give themselves some palusible deniability, like the maggot squad did in N.O.

Thing is, they had the more valid excuse for their screw-ups. The ACORN workers do prostitute rescues. Even pimp and sleaze screwed up and admitted that there is evidence of that. The object, of course, in a prostitute rescue, is to get her life turned around. Having her arrested is not very conducive to that end.

Busting the pimp's balls is.

In absolutely every case the idiots filmed the workers attempting to establish a relationship with the sleaze that might lead to their meeting her alone, without Mr Maggot within earshot.

Now, you can whine all you want to about how they should have filled out police reports, but bear in mind, that not all police contacts are going to generate the same standard forms. This is especially true in various vice-related crimes, in which the police rely heavily on confidential informants. It would seem to me the most desireable method to use in persuing human trafficers, because it leaves the informant available in the community to continue providing intelligence, whereas, if they filed the normal paper work, as soon as charges were brought against the perps, it is likely that all witnesses, including the informants, would require intensive police protection, tying up a lot of resources, and the informants would no longer be able ever again to serve that function in the same neighborhood. After the trial, assuming that the police can even assemble enough evidence to interest the prosecutor, the informant might even have to assume a new identity in a state far away, at major cost to the government.

It just makes more sense to handle these things in confidence.

And, if you have ever been involved in such a thing, you would probably know that each informant has his favorite cop to go to, because of issues of trust or personality conflicts, and each cop is going to be a little hesitant to let other cops use his humint resources for reasons of safety and pride of place.

Do pay attention to the known facts, and to the fact that the pimp has not made us privy to the facts of what happened in his presence. For an alleged skeptic, you sure do cut a known lying sack of compost an awful lot of slack when he goes after politicians whom you like less than the rest of the country does.

It's been like forty years since I took Logic 101, so somebody help me out here. When we talk about pimp and sleaze and the way they set this stuff up, isn't the falacy that they inject called "confirmation bias?" Looks to me like someone has a major debilhitating case of it here.

All the pimp ever does is screw Democrats.

You're backing a slimeball.

 

[Neally]

More perfect examples of political position blinding rational thinking:

There is also the possibility that they were trying to give themselves some palusible deniability

It just makes more sense to handle these things in confidence.

For an alleged skeptic, you sure do cut a known lying sack of compost an awful lot of slack

Conspiracy nuts post on this forum also and in your case as long as the accused are on the left, the most elaborate fantasies, assumptions, and unsupported speculations are generated to try to justify their innocence.

Must take a lot of energy to be coming up with elaborate justifications when facts don't match your world view.

 

[leftysergeant]

Must take a lot of energy to be coming up with elaborate justifications when facts don't match your world view.

Must take some kind of mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that videos with massive chunks missing, presented by a known liar with a pre-determined outcome in mind, are evidence that a rational human being should consider worth looking at.

When the pimp comes up with unedited video that confirms that the workers intended to go through with the movement of the girls without alerting a friendly vice cop, I will give him credit for an IQ of 50.

You still have some expalining to do as to why you would just open your mouth and let him spoon-feed you mushroom food like what he has presented so far.

 

[Questioninggeller]

You add this incident to all the other ones and you clearly see that the organization is indeed corrupt.

So if five workers, even managers, at three McDonalds locations spits in people's food, that means the whole "organization" spits in consumers' food?

If the organization is corrupt, its been nearly six months after this video was shot where's the indictments?

Vera in San Diego was fired for what he did in the tapes. The manager consulted with supervisors and state ACORN officials and found Vera's actions unacceptable.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/san_diego_acorn_worker_fired_following_XuE1n2XNkt7HRKvM0gemkN The head of ACORN, Lewis was outraged at how the employees behaved and called them "stupid". http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/20/acorn-ceo-outraged-behavior-employees-prostitute-tapes/

I'll ask again since no one answered it: Do you think Vera lied about offering to call the police for O'Keefe and Giles? If so, then why won't O'Keefe Giles release the tapes, which would put such an issue to rest?

(According to BigGovernment.com, he wasn't fired an you're using BigGovernment's videos. Seems to me your being selective in what you use from the website.)

Will you accept the basic fact that O'Keefe's editing is misleading (or in the words of ACORN critic Greta Van Susteren, a Fox "News" host, said the tape looked "doctored," didn't think O'Keefe "got the goods to say that ACORN lied.") and he should release the full tapes?

 

[Walter Ego]

Bailout Prize Patrol

Here's a video of O'Keefe honing the mendacity that he would use later in his ACORN video "stings."

The gonzo style that inspired O'Keefe to dress up like a pimp to embarrass the community organizing group ACORN with a hidden-camera video also can be seen in ''Bailout Prize Patrol,'' a YouTube video O'Keefe made nearly a year earlier.

Bogus photo-ops. Phony oversized checks. Even a chicken suit. O'Keefe said he was making a ''comedic farce mockumentary'' when a police officer questioned the 25-year-old conservative about one of the stunts depicted in ''Bailout Prize Patrol.''

However, the manager of a New Jersey bank branch stopped laughing when she realized O'Keefe and four others had duped her into posing for a photograph with a check meant to represent federal bank bailout money.

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The manager told police that O'Keefe and four others entered the bank on Feb. 2, 2009, identified themselves as students from nearby William Paterson University and asked her to pose with an oversized check for a $5,000 donation to an animal shelter.

Outside the bank, they handed her a different check ''for $300 million from the taxpayers of the United States to Valley National Bank,'' according to a police report. The video shows somebody dressed in a chicken suit snatch the check and run away.

''Don't like your nest egg being taken away?'' a voiceover on the video asks.

One of O'Keefe's cohorts on the video says their cameraman, identified in the police report as 22-year-old Roger C. Masi, was detained by police after the bank complained. But the investigation didn't result in any criminal charges.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/06/us/AP-US-Senators-Office-Arrests.html

 

[Walter Ego]

O'Keefe Gay Marriage "Sting"

Another highly-edited video from O'Keefe obviously inspired by I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry which came out the year before this video was posted on You Tube.

I'm not sure what point O'Keefe is making here. That we shouldn't legalize gay marriage because heterosexuals may scam the system?

Ben Wetmore who hosted O'Keefe and his cronies in New Orleans while they were planing the Landrieu caper is featured in the video.

 

[Neally]

If the organization is corrupt, its been nearly six months after this video was shot where's the indictments?

Workers fired, funding cut, serious scrutiny:

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent."

The group has faced many scandals so yes, they are a rotten bunch. How many more does it take before these "isolated" events are indicative of an organizational problem?

 

[BeAChooser]

Well that does put the videos into question.

Does it? What unheard questions explain why Acorn employees were heard advising people to bury their money in the backyard or split up their accounts among banks to avoid detection and taxes? We all heard Acorn employees clearly being told that the house would be used the prostitution of underage girls, and rather than showing disgust or outrage, those employees clearly offered help on how to set up the living arrangements, monitor the girls, disguise their actual reason for being in the US, and avoid taxes on their earnings. What possible extenuating circumstances can there be on the unedited tapes that would make it OK to turn underage girls into sex slaves? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

I really think you need to look up the phrase "rope a dope". Because I think that's exactly what O'Keefe and company are doing in the case of the original tapes. They are just waiting for ACORN and it's defenders to file suit against them and present their case in court, making further claims under oath that the tapes will then prove are absolutely, incontrovertibly false. And whereas all ACORN's behavior so far has basically been ignored by law enforcement authorities and spun one way or another, it would be difficult to avoid going to jail for lying under oath in depositions and a trial. Time will tell.

 

[leftysergeant]

The group has faced many scandals so yes, they are a rotten bunch. How many more does it take before these "isolated" events are indicative of an organizational problem?

Get a clue. You sign for an accountable form, you turn the accountable forms in at the end of the voter drive. That's the law.

The workers who obtained the bogus signatures ripped off ACORN. ACORN is the vioctim.

ACORN did not cause any voters to be falsely registered anywhere, unless some state has the most screwed-up registrars imaginable. Stop spewing the Rushblob's crap in a skeptic's forum.

 

[leftysergeant]

Does it? What unheard questions explain why Acorn employees were heard advising people to bury their money in the backyard or split up their accounts among banks to avoid detection and taxes?

Some ACORN workers also do prostitute rescues. Watch the L.A. videos. That was one of the few truths the maggots let slip through their filters, possibly because either they were too stupid to realize what they had just filmed or figured we were. (Well, some around here are almost that dense, I guess.) If you want to rescue a prostitute, you do not let the pimp control all her money, if you can trick him into splitting it up. Think of the logistics of finding housiong for her while she is on the lam. Notice, too, that the sleaze was advised to put the money in a "tin," rather than a plastic jar, and bury it in the back yard. Let me explain something to those of you who lack any knowledge of surreptitious stashing of items that might be evidence of a crime. Police have metal detectors. They can easily find stuff stored in a metal container in the yard. The first place they will look is under potted plants

They can't find a plastic jar without digging up the whole yard. Had you spent as much time as I have researching the whackadoodle militias, you would know about that sort of thing, so just maybe you have an excuse for not picking up on that.

Notice too, that the same peopple told the pimp not to spend a lot of time hanging around the house. Hard to schmooze the sleaze into going straight with his sorry butt within earshot, isn't it?

We all heard Acorn employees clearly being told that the house would be used the prostitution of underage girls, and rather than showing disgust or outrage, those employees clearly offered help on how to set up the living arrangements, monitor the girls, disguise their actual reason for being in the US, and avoid taxes on their earnings. What possible extenuating circumstances can there be on the unedited tapes that would make it OK to turn underage girls into sex slaves? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Yeah, right. They get all indignant and threaten to throw the pimp into the back of the first passing cop car, they never find out where and when the girls arrive, and they remain slaves. Freaking brilliant. Part of the way they suggested in two offices that they monitor the girls was to call in a more experienced madam. That would be the human trafficing force mole. You really don't think these things out very well, do you?

I really think you need to look up the phrase "rope a dope".

You need to learn what the concept of a "confidential informant" is all about.

They are just waiting for ACORN and it's defenders to file suit against them and present their case in court, making further claims under oath that the tapes will then prove are absolutely, incontrovertibly false.

WRONG. That was no sting. That was an assclown stunt contrived to make decent people look like they were going to actually help the slimebags. A real sting presents the opportunity to carry through, with a police witness on hand. The yellow-belliied little snots were not up to that task, and for damned good reason. They didn't want there to be real evidence of what the ACORN people's intentions were.

And whereas all ACORN's behavior so far has basically been ignored by law enforcement authorities and spun one way or another, it would be difficult to avoid going to jail for lying under oath in depositions and a trial. Time will tell.

It is pimp boy and his slut that need to worry now. They are part of a criminal conspiracy. They just keep digging that hole deeper. thinking that the whole country is going to see their stupidity as heroism.

Heroes they never will be. Pimp boy should go back to trolling oput of his mom's basement. It would be more productive.

 

[applecorped]

Pimp boy should go back to trolling oput of his mom's basement. It would be more productive.

It's not always productive, right Lefty?

 

[theprestige]

Does it? What unheard questions explain why Acorn employees were heard advising people to bury their money in the backyard or split up their accounts among banks to avoid detection and taxes? We all heard Acorn employees clearly being told that the house would be used the prostitution of underage girls, and rather than showing disgust or outrage, those employees clearly offered help on how to set up the living arrangements, monitor the girls, disguise their actual reason for being in the US, and avoid taxes on their earnings. What possible extenuating circumstances can there be on the unedited tapes that would make it OK to turn underage girls into sex slaves? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

I really think you need to look up the phrase "rope a dope". Because I think that's exactly what O'Keefe and company are doing in the case of the original tapes. They are just waiting for ACORN and it's defenders to file suit against them and present their case in court, making further claims under oath that the tapes will then prove are absolutely, incontrovertibly false. And whereas all ACORN's behavior so far has basically been ignored by law enforcement authorities and spun one way or another, it would be difficult to avoid going to jail for lying under oath in depositions and a trial. Time will tell.

Maybe the missing footage reveals that O'Keefe set up the scene with the ACORN employees, and the whole thing is fake. The ACORN people went along with the hoax as part of an elaborate sting operation.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If you don't think that there is an organized effort to bring disruptiove, sometimes violent, lunatics to Democratic functions, yoiu haven't been paying attention.

You are on record here bragging about getting into fights at political rallies and carrying loaded firearms. I don't believe anyone is giving you orders.

Dick Armey knows his crazies will get out of hand. They always do.

Is Congressman Armey the Larry Silverstein of the Green Shirt Truth movement, Lefty? Have you got any videos of him saying "pull it"?

 

[332nd]

Does it?

Yes.

What unheard questions explain why Acorn employees were heard advising people to bury their money in the backyard or split up their accounts among banks to avoid detection and taxes?

I don't know.

We all heard Acorn employees clearly being told that the house would be used the prostitution of underage girls, and rather than showing disgust or outrage, those employees clearly offered help on how to set up the living arrangements, monitor the girls, disguise their actual reason for being in the US, and avoid taxes on their earnings. What possible extenuating circumstances can there be on the unedited tapes that would make it OK to turn underage girls into sex slaves? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

I don't know.

I really think you need to look up the phrase "rope a dope". Because I think that's exactly what O'Keefe and company are doing in the case of the original tapes. They are just waiting for ACORN and it's defenders to file suit against them and present their case in court, making further claims under oath that the tapes will then prove are absolutely, incontrovertibly false. And whereas all ACORN's behavior so far has basically been ignored by law enforcement authorities and spun one way or another, it would be difficult to avoid going to jail for lying under oath in depositions and a trial. Time will tell.

It's quite possible he'll release the unedited tapes and they'll say exactly what he claims. Until then, the vids are questionable.

 

[leftysergeant]

It's quite possible he'll release the unedited tapes and they'll say exactly what he claims. Until then, the vids are questionable.

Inthe long run, though, it doesn't matter anymore what is on the unedited tapes. He lied too many times already. The minute the bimbo told an interviewer on Faux News that they were never refused service anywhere, it all became a criminal enterprise and they and Breitbart should be taken down under RICO.

They stage-managed the entire scenario to give the impression that they would have recieved the full cooperation of the ACORN staff had they continued their actions and actually brought a bunch of Hispanic teenagers into the area of operations.

But they had no intention of allowing the ACORN people to do whatever they had next in mind to do. They didn't give them the opportunity to bring in the third parties that they had suggested that they might bring in. They did not give the ACORN people any idea of where the further crimes would be committed, but left them with the impression that they might be in contact later.

As I have stated before, just calling the cops to have them arrested, or giving any indication that they might wish harm to the dirtbags would not, had this been for real, have rescued the girls. The ACORN workers could not have acted differently than they did and still have had any chance of succeding in the rescue.

The ACORN workers could not have demonstrated their true intentions until the dirtbags presented with an operating brothel and a schedule for the arrival of the girls.

The pimp's role models must include Franz Kafka.

There is a good reason why entrapment is illegal and will get a case threown out of court. It is not proof of intent of the suspect.

That the pimp had a clear intention of destroying ACORN and has prior thereto shown a disregard for the rights of others and a particular arrogance in his abuse of those whose views conflict with his show clear criminal intent on his part.

That he so carefully stage-managed so many previous scenarios to reflect something other than the truth bring into question anything that the little blob of Republican can say in his own defense in the N.O. crimes.

 

[Neally]

Get a clue. You sign for an accountable form, you turn the accountable forms in at the end of the voter drive. That's the law.

The workers who obtained the bogus signatures ripped off ACORN. ACORN is the vioctim.

ACORN did not cause any voters to be falsely registered anywhere, unless some state has the most screwed-up registrars imaginable.

More examples of ideologically compromised rational. 48% bogus signatures and they have no responsibility in the matter? They can't screen or train the gatherers? They can't monitor or verify the signatures? Boo hoo what poor victims they are.

 

[leftysergeant]

More examples of ideologically compromised rational. 48% bogus signatures and they have no responsibility in the matter? They can't screen or train the gatherers? They can't monitor or verify the signatures? Boo hoo what poor victims they are.

They still come out looking better than those Republican dirtbags who put up voter registration tables in shopping malls and either threw away or altered the forms filled out by Democrats. THAT is a crime. You have only accused demonstrated lack of professionalism on ACORN's part.

You have a double handfull of mendacity. But that's not a surprise, seeing as how you appear to be a Republican and are arguing against ACORN.

ETA: It was ACORN, in a majority of cases, who identified the signitures as bogus, so they do monitor them. They are not psychic, so they do not know before they send a dirtbag out to gather signitures that he is worthless. Once he has started working under loose or no supervision, they are stuck with whatever they get back, and are bound by law to turn it in.

 

[Dancing David]

More examples of ideologically compromised rational. 48% bogus signatures and they have no responsibility in the matter? They can't screen or train the gatherers? They can't monitor or verify the signatures? Boo hoo what poor victims they are.

And how many of them are registered voters who cast fraudulent votes?

Hmmmmmmmm?

 

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

Remember to attack the argument, not the arguer.

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[Neally]

And how many of them are registered voters who cast fraudulent votes?

Hmmmmmmmm?

If you have evidence of such, do post, otherwise go back to trolling the conspiracy forum.