ACORN filmmaker arrested


Bull flops. Your reality:

Pimp boy is a hero because he found corruption at ACORN.

Objective reality:

We don't know what that worthless blob of Republican found at ACORN because he edited the bejabbers out of his "evidence" and lied about his success rate.
 
We don't know what that worthless blob of Republican found at ACORN because he edited the bejabbers out of his "evidence" and lied about his success rate.
A success rate of 1 is 1 too many. Several people were fired. Management accepted the evidence that you find unacceptable. That's all that matters. Management saw through the lies that some employees tried-"I was just playing along". You bought into those lies and have come up with bizarre fantasies to try to support them.

Corrupt employees fired, and intense scrutiny on a corrupt organization. Mission accomplished.
 
A success rate of 1 is 1 too many. Several people were fired. Management accepted the evidence that you find unacceptable. That's all that matters. Management saw through the lies that some employees tried-"I was just playing along". You bought into those lies and have come up with bizarre fantasies to try to support them.

You have no proof that they were lies.

We do have irrefuteable proof that the pimp and sleaze lied.

That the lying little blobs of waste were able to convince the ACORN officials that their employees were corrupt is irrelevant.

The sorry little Republican twits have still failed to prove a bloody thing about ACORN while proving themselves to be dirtbags.
 
A success rate of 1 is 1 too many. Several people were fired. Management accepted the evidence that you find unacceptable. That's all that matters. Management saw through the lies that some employees tried-"I was just playing along". You bought into those lies and have come up with bizarre fantasies to try to support them.

Corrupt employees fired, and intense scrutiny on a corrupt organization. Mission accomplished.

Fired employees mean the entire organization is corrupt? By what measure? How come there has been no indictments in any of the places?

I don't usually get involved in these political threads, but the people defending O'Keefe here are simply wrong.

Can you at least accept that the tapes are "heavily edited" and misleading? Then consider O'Keefe has not released unedited video, and its been nearly six months. On the other hand, this is what he released:

1) Video of ACORN, Balitmore

ACORN workers caught on tape allegedly advising on prostitution
CNN.com
updated 10:21 a.m. EDT, Fri September 11, 2009

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The video footage -- which has been edited and goes to black in some areas -- was recorded and posted online Thursday by James O'Keefe, a conservative activist. He was joined on the video by another conservative, Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute in the filmmakers' undercover sting.
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2) Video of ACORN, Philadelphia
Video makers release tape of Philly ACORN visit
Thursday October 22 2009
Associated Press

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The Philadelphia visit is significant because of a dispute over statements ACORN has made defending what took place when Giles and O'Keefe visited the Philadelphia office last summer.

Supporters of O'Keefe and Giles said ACORN has lied about whether the two were thrown out of the Philadelphia office, how much time they spent there and whether they explicitly told ACORN workers that Giles was a prostitute.
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"At no point were we kicked out, at no time were we asked to leave," O'Keefe says on the tape of the Philadelphia visit.

Neil Herrmann, ACORN's lead organizer in Philadelphia, was quoted in news accounts last month as saying that an employee at the office had asked O'Keefe and Giles to leave. On the edited tape released Wednesday, the couple were not asked to leave.
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In the video, the voice of the ACORN employee was muted for legal reasons. ACORN is suing O'Keefe and Giles and conservative columnist Andrew Breithart, who posted the videos on his Web site.

So O'Keefe released video that is "highly edited, trimmed to roughly 8 minutes from about 30 minutes of footage" and muted the audio then claimed ACORN "lied." This video was his crowning achievement to prove ACORN was corrupt and lying!

In reality even ACORN critic Greta Van Susteren, a Fox "News" host, said the tape looked "doctored," didn't think O'Keefe "got the goods to say that ACORN lied."


3) Video of ACORN, Los Angeles

O'Keefe released this video in November, despite releasing the earlier videos in September. The reason is very clear:

In making public a video he withheld for more than two months, right-wing activist James O'Keefe finally acknowledged that a 'Los Angeles ACORN employee "would not assist us obtain a house for our illegal activities."


4) Video of ACORN, San Diego

Scott Harshbarger, a former Massachusetts attorney general, investigated and reported (link to the WaPo mention of the report):

"the broadcast versions were edited and voiced over in ways that distorted the actual encounters between Giles and O'Keefe and the duped ACORN personnel." In the San Diego case the employee shown on the tapes speaks Spanish, not English. Harshbarger notes that "in the released video, his participation amounts mostly to nodding or saying 'OK.' It is difficult to determine what this employee is responding to because the videographers' statements are obscured by a voiceover inserted later."

5) Video of ACORN, San Bernardino

The ACORN staffer realizes its a joke, and decides to play along:
Blowback in the ACORN Wars
ABC News
September 16, 2009 10:15 AM

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ACORN officials have fired some of the employees in question, while also suggesting the videotapes are not precisely what they seem. The most recent video -- from a San Bernardino ACORN office -- depicts an ACORN employee claiming to have murdered her husband.

But when the Press-Enterprise newspaper caught up with ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke, she told the newspaper she was messing with the filmmakers and making it all up.

"They were clearly playing with me," she said "I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me."

Reports the newspaper: "Since she claimed on the video to have killed her husband, two San Bernardino police homicide detectives interviewed her at the office Tuesday. Police said they have been in contact with Kaelke's former husbands and the homicide claims do not appear accurate.
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O'Keefe and his pals at Fox News then used this comment as "proof" that ACORN hires murders, not realizing they'd be had and that statement was false.


6) Lastly, an overall statement about the tapes:

ACORN foe's second act: Few reported that James O'Keefe's attack turned out to be legal gossamer
Sunday, January 31st 2010, 4:00 AM
By Errol Louis
New York Daily News

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Only a few news outlets have noted that O'Keefe did not wear the outlandish pimp outfit into every ACORN office; in some cases, he spliced footage of himself into the finished product to make it look that way. And of course, neither O'Keefe nor his boss, conservative media entrepreneur Andrew Breitbart of BigGovernment.com, has ever released the full, unedited videos.
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O'Keefe's ACORN tapes are not in reality what some people have been saying they are. Mix that with O'Keefe likely violated recording laws in two states (PA and MD), is accused of committing a felony in New Orleans, has admitted attending a racist event, and his former faculty sponsor for his college newspaper questioned O'Keefe's intergrity, I don't see why people are defending this guy.


If O'Keefe wants to be a journalist then he should do what journalists do. Release full un-edited tapes to neutral parties. Instead he cut audio, splice in clips of out context, and slowly leaked the tapes over three months. Then months later went into a Senator's office to tamper with her phone. Hardly a journalist or even a respectable person.

If O'Keefe has evidence of "corruption" and won't release the full tapes, that also shows a lack of morality. Especially, since there have been no legal charges against ACORN or any staffer at ACORN.
 
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If O'Keefe's tapes are worthless then why did ACORN fire all those people?
Has O'Keefe been served with an actual lawsuit by ACORN?
Does ACORN stand by their own people?
ACORN claims to be helping the disadvantged, why don't they defend their own employees?
 
If O'Keefe's tapes are worthless then why did ACORN fire all those people?

All those people? They fired two people from Baltimore and two low-level seasonal workers from Washington DC.

Has O'Keefe been served with an actual lawsuit by ACORN?

Yes, two on-going lawsuits filed by ACORN. One was filed back in September. O'Keefe and Giles immediately set about raising money for a defense.

Does ACORN stand by their own people?

With the exception of the four they fired, yes they did. Did you bother reading any of the articles linked above?

ACORN claims to be helping the disadvantged, why don't they defend their own employees?

They did and do, which is why they've defended their employees and haved sued O'Keefe.


Why don't you do your own research for these questions?
 
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Wait, has O'keefe released unedited versions of the tapes?

ETA: I ask because I assumed that he was going to when this started.
 
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All those people? They fired two people. Two low-level seasonal workers from Baltimore (O'Keefe's first video release).



Yes, two on-going lawsuits filed by ACORN. One was filed back in September. O'Keefe and Giles immediately set about raising money for a defense.



With the exception of the TWO that fired, yes they did. Did you bother reading any of the articles linked above?



They did and do, which is why they've defended their employees and haved sued O'Keefe.


Why don't you do your own research for these questions?

Has Vera been re-hired? Have the other people in Calif been re-hired?
 
Has Vera been re-hired? Have the other people in Calif been re-hired?

No, unfortunately Vera has not been rehired. But if you believe O'Keefe's outlet for the tapes BigGovernment.com, "Documents provided to BigGovernment.com show that Mr. Vera was not terminated but was simply laid off, implying that Mr. Vera is also eligible for rehire. (The document also notes that Mr. Vera was laid off due to 'restructuring' related to 'videotaping incident'.)"

What other people were "fired" in California?

The Vera tapes:
Fired ACORN employee tells his story
Hours after a local Acorn employee sits down with media, he is fired from his job.
By Perette Godwin FOX 5 San Diego Reporter
September 17, 2009


An ACORN employee in National City seen on videotape offering a duo posing as a prostitute and her pimp advice on getting 12 young girls across the border from Mexico has been fired.

The video appears to indict the ACORN worker. It shows a National City ACORN employee discussing ways to smuggle young girls across the border. Minutes later the same worker is seen on video asking how much a woman who claims to be a prostitute charges. According to the man in the video, Juan Carlos Vera, the video seen from coast to coast on national television is not what it seems. With tears streaming down his face and at times clearly irate, Juan Carlos Vera explains his side of the story.

"See the video complete, ask to see the video complete," cried Juan Carlos Vera. "And you can see what happened."
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"The skinny guy told me I want to buy a house because, this is what happened, this is my girlfriend," Vera said. "And her pimp, they don't want to let her go."

As the video shows the couple began asking Vera about smuggling girls across the border. But Vera said he was only trying to help the pair, who he said told him they needed to get some young women out of Mexico. Vera said he offered to call his cousin, a National City Police officer, but the couple turned down the offer.
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and
Fired ACORN Worker Had Reported Pimp Plans to Police
San Diego 6 News Team
Last Update: 9/21/2009 8:40 pm


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National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.
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Police say he contacted law enforcement two days later. The detective consulted another police official who served on a federal human smuggling task force, who said he needed more details.
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There was an office worker in San Bernardino that was fired.

If O'Keefe's tapes are so worthless why was Vera fired?

Note: Vera waited two days after O'Keefe and squeeze left before calling his cousin.
Why the wait? What did he actually say to his cousin? Don't you think a description of pimpman & squeeze and their phone numbers would have been of interest to someone in the police dept?

Also please note:
All 50 states have passed some form of a mandatory child abuse and neglect reporting law in order to qualify for funding under the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA)(Jan. 1996 version), 42 U.S.C. 5101, et seq.http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/mandatory_reporting.htm

If the videos made by pimp & squeeze were admissible in court the ACORN workers could be in hot water. I think sex-slavery could be considered a form of abuse.
 
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There was an office worker in San Bernardino that was fired.

Source?

If O'Keefe's tapes are so worthless why was Vera fired?

Good question. Before O'Keefe goes to prison for his felony why doesn't he release the unedited tape like Vera asked and let's find out.

Also according to the source of the tapes, Vera wasn't fired. (BigGovernment.com isn't a good source, but it seems to be what you're believing here.)

Note: Vera waited two days after O'Keefe and squeeze left before calling his cousin.
Why the wait? What did he actually say to his cousin? Don't you think a description of pimpman & squeeze and their phone numbers would have been of interest to someone in the police dept?

Good questions, maybe you can follow that up after seeing the full tape to know what was originally said. Do you deny that Vera offered to call his cousin for O'Keefe when they were in the office (and on camera)?

From the above report:

www.fox5sandiego.com said:
Vera said he offered to call his cousin, a National City Police officer, but the couple turned down the offer.

Vera didn't want to wait. It also seems like he was concerned about the "couple's" well-being, and did not understand O'Keefe was the alleged "pimp."

Do you think O'Keefe didn't want to put Vera offering to call police in the edit of the footage or do you think Vera's lying? Let's recap: O'Keefe has the unedited tapes, but won't release them and Vera wants the unedited tapes released.

It's really hard to answer questions without knowing what was said and weigh the crediblity of O'Keefe (alleged felon and the man with a political agenda) and Vera (who admitted to having a hard time following English). As shown with O'Keefe's New Orleans Federal Building visit, he's not afraid to lie to people and break laws to go after things he doesn't like.

Why is O'Keefe so unwilling to release all the footage like Vera asked?
 
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Good question. Before O'Keefe goes to prison for his felony why doesn't he release the unedited tape like Vera asked and let's find out.

Cutting out the rehash of the other painful thread, this part above at least mentions the topic of the thread. The problem is that 1) O'Keefe isn't charged with a felony, and 2) the misdemeanor that he is charged with is almost certainly going to be dismissed.

It's simple: the charge was "entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony". Not only does the prosecutor have to prove the "entering federal property under false pretenses" they also have to prove the "with the intent of committing a felony" part. Considering that they 1) had no bugging equipment, 2) were recording video of what they were doing, and 3) at least have a plausible defense of "we were just checking if her phones really were jammed", I think the case is going to be quietly dropped in a few weeks.
 
Fired employees mean the entire organization is corrupt? By what measure? How come there has been no indictments in any of the places?
You add this incident to all the other ones and you clearly see that the organization is indeed corrupt.

All those people? They fired two people from Baltimore and two low-level seasonal workers from Washington DC.
Vera in San Diego was fired for what he did in the tapes. The manager consulted with supervisors and state ACORN officials and found Vera's actions unacceptable.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/san_diego_acorn_worker_fired_following_XuE1n2XNkt7HRKvM0gemkN The head of ACORN, Lewis was outraged at how the employees behaved and called them "stupid". http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/20/acorn-ceo-outraged-behavior-employees-prostitute-tapes/
 
Not only does the prosecutor have to prove the "entering federal property under false pretenses" they also have to prove the "with the intent of committing a felony" part.

Are you really that slow on the up-take? I thionk you may be too emotionally invested in the pimp because he "busted" those eeeeebil ACORN people.

Your personal aggenda is blinding you to the fact that you are backing a maggot in a greyhound race. The pimp made it clear that he was going to do something major in N.O. This would suggest to a person of normal intelligence that it would be far more impactful than his crimes at the ACORN offices. (BTW, those crimes are felonies.0

Considering that they 1) had no bugging equipment,

The maggot friving the getaway car had a listening device. Transmitters are easy to dispose of. Dai is trained in intelligence work. Fat chance that the little Republican blob of waste is going to work in the field under a Democratic administration, since he was already known to be an associate of pimp and sleaze. He had motive, means and opportunity to commit a felony there.

2) were recording video of what they were doing,

So? You have to realize at this point that the pimp is one of the most arrogant slimeballs in the business of political sabotage. He thinks he can get away with all manner of illegal crap. Look how many supposedly intelligent people on this forum actually believe that he is an honest citizen and that his garbage videos prove something about corruption at ACORN. Notice please, because this will be important later, that the whacko spook boy did not show his face in the office. I know this may be difficult, but turn down the emotions and turn up your rational thinking. Who of all four of these jerks is most likely to know a bloody thing about phone systems? The faux journalists? The son of the prosecutor with a grudge against Landrieu? How about the wannabe spy?

But of course. The one member of the worm team whom we would expect to know the most about phone systems and how to interpret the wiring schemes is sitting in the getaway car with a listening device. This just does not look good for spook boy, the pimp or his thug buddies.

3) at least have a plausible defense of "we were just checking if her phones really were jammed", I think the case is going to be quietly dropped in a few weeks.

Plausible in a pig's eye. They were not telephone technicians. Their telephone technician was sitting outside with a listening device. The pimp was going to do the same thing he did at ACORN. He was going to set up a big porky of a false premise, shoot some BS video and tell us what it meant.

Don't hand me any crap about their attemptrs to call the office with their cell phones as evidence of anything relevant to the case. Given that the pimp rarely opens his mouth other than to tell a lie, it is not probative of a bloody thing.

And what business is it of pimp boy's to begin with? The only one of the crew who even lived in the state was the idiot whose daddy was going to be out of a job if Landrieu had her way over the pervert who wanted to keep him in office. It sure serves the public interest to allow that slimeball to gain access to the phone closet, huh?

As for the phones being jammed, that happens all the time when it is convient for the Republicans that a Democratic office holder's official phone number or phone banks at a campaign headquarters not function. Republicans have gone to jail for that sort of thing already. There was a full-frontal attack going on against Landrieu and the Health Care bill. Lunatic activists have been bussing people all over the country to disrupt congress critters' attempts to communicate with their constituents. Why would we expect these thugs not to also mess with the phones, either by robo-calling or organising an astroturf phone bank to call in overwhelming, circuit-frying numbers?

There is no reason on earth to suspect that Landrieu jammed her own phones, and there is no way that we can trust any kind of "evidence " that the low-life posers could present to the effect that she did.

Interesting, too, that a half-wit intelligence worker whose job prospects are not that good right now should be part of an operation targetting the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, dontcha think?

I hope the FBI had the good sense to find their computers and sieze the hard drives.
 
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