Merged Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2

[The Big Dog]

And the 16.5 guy just loves talking about this data interruption. I guess data interruption just throws everything into complete disarray. Provide a link on this BS jr or hit the road.

O'Rly?

The truthers don't know how Flight Explorer works, don't know what happens if the data is interrupted, don't know whether the video tape showing Flight Explorer was live or not, and assuming it was live don't know what the data on the screen was showing, have no idea what the margin of error was, and have not talked to Flight Explorer and have no intention of doing so.

Brilliant, genius.

I'll take that out, I'm not greedy. Now answer the rest TRUTHER.

 

[The Big Dog]

Back yourself up

Here is the complete cartoon, one that I posted for you YESTERDAY:

http://www.avweb.com/other/911flightexplorer.html

The actual data was posted by 911 Files.

Enjoy the cartoon truther.

 

[JSSTyger]

O'Rly?

The truthers don't know how Flight Explorer works, don't know what happens if the data is interrupted, don't know whether the video tape showing Flight Explorer was live or not, and assuming it was live don't know what the data on the screen was showing, have no idea what the margin of error was, and have not talked to Flight Explorer and have no intention of doing so.

Brilliant, genius.

I'll take that out, I'm not greedy. Now answer the rest TRUTHER.

So I ask you where you get the data interruption crap that sends things into disarray and you are punking out?

 

[The Big Dog]

So I ask you where you get the data interruption crap that sends things into disarray and you are punking out?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! STUNDIE!! Hey Champ, I'll go slow: I make six points, and you question one of six. Rather than waste my time arguing about the one, I point out that you completely ignore other five.

The truthers don't know how Flight Explorer works,

don't know whether the video tape showing Flight Explorer was live or not,

and assuming it was live don't know what the data on the screen was showing,

have no idea what the margin of error was,

and have not talked to Flight Explorer and have no intention of doing so.

What did flight explorer say truther???

 

[Bobert]

JSStyger,
Just out of curiosity have you ever modeled the Flight 175 flightpath out of sushi?
This may be a strong factor and sway alot of people to your side!
You're welcome!

 

[Dog Town]

This is a very strange F up by the FAA...no??!

Evidence of this?
Nah didn't think so. "Thanks for playing."

 

[beachnut]

Oh all this nonsense makes me bored.

When will one of the intellectual giants around here give even a half decent reason why none of the flights on 9/11 ended with the same transponder code as it started out with?

First they'll tell you that the transponder isn't needed to track the plane. Even when some of the ATC thought flight 77 was a military flight from the speed and maneuvers it was preforming.

Then they'll tell you that the genius hijackers turned them off or changed them to stop from being tracked.

Which is it? If it isn't needed then why did they bother? Why didn't the ATC know what they were looking at?

Then the debunkers will tell you that all the planes were identified. Some will even tell you the planes were identified by the DNA of passengers.

Planes are identified by DNA? Is this usually how it's done?

And then when you ask them for some serial numbers or maintenance records well... again they have nothing.

Nothing but their faith.

yawn

You are the nonsense believer.

The terrorist changed the transponder code, it is so easy to do, you failed to realize this? How truthy.

Transponders are not needed to track flights. It is dirt dumb statement to say Flight 77 was a military aircraft based on moronic statements from 911Truth. Fact is the maneuvers done by 77 were those of a poor pilot, the FDR proves it. You lack the ability to analyze the FDR. Why? What a failed statement; your military flight LIE.

The terrorist did change them. It is easy to do; it would confuse people on why? Electrical failure? Massive emergency? See, your lack of flying experience is showing. But your gullibility is still keen. Yes, if you want to get ATC pissed, turn off your transponder, if it is joke you will not fly again. Your anti-intellectual side is exposed.

Sorry, ATC was watching the planes and was busy keeping other traffic clear of the hijacked planes, not knowing why they were deviating, not knowing what was going on. Sorry, you lack knowledge on ATC, you could learn, but you failed.

The planes were all identified by evidence. Evidence you fail to comprehend a skill learned in grade school and reviewed Ad nauseam in middle and high school. Did 911Truth miss those days?

Yes, you could identify planes by DNA. It takes logic. 911Truth has no logic. Passengers board plane; Passengers DNA found; Plane followed by RADAR to same place. DNA proves 77 impacted the Pentagon, as does the FDR, witnesses, RADAR and the actual aircraft is in the Pentagon and all around the Pentagon in pieces. This is too simple. It only takes the skills gained in grade school, which 911Truth forgot, or does not use.

Oh, you heard the idiot pilots at p4t and spew the serial number tripe. Good for you using failed pilots for your beliefs. You hold them to zero standards of evidence, you just repeat their delusions. Good for you.

You are the faith based 911Truth believer, who spews delusions from those who built the delusions on lies, hearsay, and fantasy. As 911Truth apologizes for terrorist, they enter the 8th year of stupid ideas backed with zero evidence.

You are yawning but not presenting evidence. A common thread in all of 911Truth.


Your post displays a lack of knowledge on flying and other topics necessary to clear up your delusion based statements on 911.
Is your lack of knowledge the reason you are gullible and believe the 911Truth delusions?

175 not impacting the WTC tower is pure stupid. You will not be presenting evidence to support this delusion.

 

[TexasJack]

JSStyger,
Just out of curiosity have you ever modeled the Flight 175 flightpath out of sushi?
This may be a strong factor and sway alot of people to your side!
You're welcome!

I do believe another truther has a patent on that.

 

[Trojan]

No...because the flightplan it is showing was updated post-crash...as evidenced by two planes sitting right where the towers are and also evidenced by the fact the FAA was grounding planes.

Trojan...if you will be understanding...unlike some of these people...do you not think its a bit funny the flight heading NW (at the WTC) has all the data of the plane that crashed? I mean elevation and orientation and such. And then you have another jet with flight 175's real serial number, departure info, arrival info, etc, etc going off into the wild blue yonder. This is a very strange F up by the FAA...no??! God we are assuming complete and utter incompetence now by nearly every gd federal agency!! Forgive me for not buying this!!

Its not the FAA *mistake* is flight explorers gaff, which is understandable if you are trying to use flight plans to predict a plane that has been hijacked and has gone off flight.

I doubt flight explorer was any more prepared for 911 than anyone else was.

Flight explorer has a contact me page, have you tried to get their explanation? Who better to interpret the data than them?

And stop the argument from incredulity crap.

*Edited for language. Please do not circumvent the autocensor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[T.A.M.]

The truthers don't know how Flight Explorer works, don't know what happens if the data is interrupted, don't know whether the video tape showing Flight Explorer was live or not, and assuming it was live don't know what the data on the screen was showing, have no idea what the margin of error was, and have not talked to Flight Explorer and have no intention of doing so.


I told you that you have no freaking idea what you are talking about. Clue, moron: the Flight Explorer Data does not show the plane in the air. It shows a computer simulation of the last projected location of the plane. The location your idiot video shows is the same exact freaking location that Flight Explorer put it an hour earlier.

Further, that freaking cartoon shows a plane as large as New York City, making instantaneous 160 degree turns. That cartoon is as authoritative as a TV map showing a 500 foot wide car blocking the highway in the TV traffic update on Circle and the Jerks Morning TV Crew, starring Homeland Insurgency as Snarky the freaking Clown.

Unbelievable

You think thats funny, look at what is flying over the continental US in these maps.

http://www.rssweather.com/imagefetc...rents&img=us_temperature_wxicon_i5_points.png
http://www.gearthblog.com/images/images207/foxtv.jpg

TAM

 

[332nd]

JSSTyger, what will you be doing with this "extremely revealing Flight 175 video" that you believe is "solid evidence"?

 

[R.Mackey]

Apparently he'll be posting about it in the Nomination thread.

There just are no words.

 

[dtugg]

Apparently he'll be posting about it in the Nomination thread.

There just are no words.

LOL.

 

[BCR]

From the nomination thread:

No disproof in 4 pages....this must really be pissing these guys off.

What a moron. He wanted radar data, I gave him radar data, then he completely ignores it. Maybe that is why he has not seen any "disproof in 4 pages".

 

[beachnut]

To be fair, not you or anyone has shown that the video I showed is illegit. Alot of "well it could be this..." ...Alot of 1/100 chance BS...not alot of real sense. Good lord...all the coincidences.

You are a pilot? Hmmm...what are your thoughts on an airplanes wings' ability to sever multiple steel columns before breaking off? I've always wanted to see somebody run this test...at high speed...I wonder. I've seen something similar attempted at low speeds and the plane didn't really do much.

What coincidences. Your video presented is pure junk. There is nothing in the video that needs debunking if you understand all the data on 911, and how the video is wrong. It is the same if you said 1 plus 1 is 17, I do not have to debunk your failed math, it is self debunking. The video is pure bunk. Easy to see if you actually research 911 with real evidence and understand flying.

911files is the only truther. He has the darn RADAR files he worked hours, days, weeks, to gather and present. So your video is pure junk and you proclaim it is evidence, when it is pure junk.

Darn, now you need physics. The plane impact of 175 was equal in energy to 2093 pounds of TNT. That means the plane will cut right thought the steel shell of the WTC due to the fact it was 11 times the energy that Robertson designed the WTC to resist for an aircraft impact. Robertson expected a hole, but only local damage, and a fire to be fought and put out. But on 911 175 was going 590 mph not 180 mph as in his design point. The velocity is the bad news since energy is related to velocity squared. Thus the increase in velocity increases the energy to the square of the velocity. In this case 11 times more energy for doing damage to the WTC. The design of the WTC would resist a 180 mph impact at 187 pounds of TNT with no core damage, the impact of 175 was 590 mph doing major damage to 10 core columns, and Flight 11 did major damage to 6 core columns and was 7 times the design impact.

Yes, wings of a plane can cut through steel if they are going fast enough they have 20 to 30 thousand pounds of fuel in them and have tremendous kinetic energy at 590 mph. So the plane effortlessly entered the WTC due to kinetic energy concentrated in the form of an aircraft. If you understood physics, you would not be surprised, next time do like President Kennedy hinted, ~"we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard", so I say take physics and chemistry, it will give you something to think about instead of being gullible to believe the lies, hearsay, and fantasy of 911Truth.

 

[The Big Dog]

Apparently he'll be posting about it in the Nomination thread.

There just are no words.

I was nominated? What an honor! And just for posting the very complete cartoon that he is relying on to show that this was an inside jobby job!

Fantastic!

He is calling Flight Explorer a bunch of morons! My stars, the idiocy.

 

[Cheap Shot]

JREF is such a biased site. There have been a few legit posts...but mostly just A-holes who get perturbed that a truther has infiltrated their lair. Its really sad. I have to wonder how many of you actually took the time to analyze the video in the first post. Its just extremely odd how coincidental everything is and nothing clicks in your brains. Bunch of drones...

Why would anyone analyze the video. That information is obtained from the TSD which is based on flight plan data contained in the flight plan and is updated every 3 minutes as long as the aircraft is "flat tracked" an ATC term that you wouldn't know. After the planes impacted the towers, they would become a "free track" which is outside of the parameters of the route of flight. Then after about two to three minutes without any radar update it would become a "coast track" which means it just kinds of floats around. This is how that system works.

If you want to look at something look at 911files radar data, just because something has bells and whistles and a nice little picture doesn't make it real. TSD data is nothing more that a snapshot in the past of radar data, and only when the tracks are being updated.

 

[Cheap Shot]

When will one of the intellectual giants around here give even a half decent reason why none of the flights on 9/11 ended with the same transponder code as it started out with?

First they'll tell you that the transponder isn't needed to track the plane. Even when some of the ATC thought flight 77 was a military flight from the speed and maneuvers it was preforming.

Then they'll tell you that the genius hijackers turned them off or changed them to stop from being tracked.

Which is it? If it isn't needed then why did they bother? Why didn't the ATC know what they were looking at?

The hijackers turned them off or in the case of UAL175 they turned it to a different code.

We tracked AAL11 after the trnsponder was turned of, using primary radar, but primary radar just gives you a raw return from the aircraft skin. No altitude data.

Indy Center lost AAL77 since they didn't have primary radar in the location where AAL77 was hijacked therfore they had no radar data what so ever.

It was a smart move by the hijackers, it delayed ATC's initial response, wondering whether the aircraft was having an electrical failure or some other type of emergency.

 

[Hokulele]

Why would anyone analyze the video. That information is obtained from the TSD which is based on flight plan data contained in the flight plan and is updated every 3 minutes as long as the aircraft is "flat tracked" an ATC term that you wouldn't know. After the planes impacted the towers, they would become a "free track" which is outside of the parameters of the route of flight. Then after about two to three minutes without any radar update it would become a "coast track" which means it just kinds of floats around. This is how that system works.

If you want to look at something look at 911files radar data, just because something has bells and whistles and a nice little picture doesn't make it real. TSD data is nothing more that a snapshot in the past of radar data, and only when the tracks are being updated.

Cool.

So, we're done here now, yes?

 

[Cheap Shot]

This is a very strange F up by the FAA...no??! God we are assuming complete and utter incompetence now by nearly every gd federal agency!! Forgive me for not buying this!!

You were not there, I can tell you that people made mistakes that day, but 1000's of people busted there ass that day from numerous federal and state agencies and did the job they were trained to do.

Incomptence is when someone like yourself gets a hold of a video based on TSD data and claim that this real, when you have no clue how the data is obtained. Ignorance is when someone like yourself, refutes the evidence handed to you by numerous people at this site who spent hours, days, and months of work on thier research, and you ignore it.