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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

You are a pure liar. Your ability to make up false conclusions is proven by this post, better erase it while you can!

Three Dog Night…



So, Beachy.. .tell us.. .did the NTSB place 173 pressure altitude at 09:37:44? And did the NTSB calculated the "impact time" at 09:37:45?

Do you know how to adjust for local pressure to get true altitude?

Do you think the NTSB is wrong in their placement/time stamp/impact time calculation? (thats if you agree with the above, if you dont, we have a whole new problem).

If you think the NTSB is wrong, is it incompetence? Is it willfull? Why didnt they account for "missing seconds" as you have suggested?

Can you answer these? Or avoid them..?
 
Who on this forum wants to hear a live interview between reheat, beachnut,
anti and members of PFT (3)?
Actually, I'd like you to flesh out a bit more what you think happened at the Pentagon. Here's what we have so far, based on your posts:

Flight 77 disappears from radar screens, and is replaced by either a "smaller plane" or a missile, above it which flys a Boeing E-4B. Making impossibly tight turns at high speed no other airplane is capable of, the "smaller plane" or missile strikes the Pentagon, while the E4B flys over the Pentagon. Teams of conspirators immediately swoop down on the scene, tearing light poles out of the ground, sticking one in Lloyd England's cab. Other conspirators tear up tree branches, knock over construction equipment and material, fences, and marking poles where they figure Flight 77 would hit if it had actually taken the flight path they programmed into the FDR, which the crack team of conspirators also planted in the Pentagon. Other teams of conspirators spread airplane parts all over the lawn of the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring. They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure. At the same time, other conspirators go inside the burning Pentagon and plant the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew, which have been ground into hamburger a short time earlier when Flight 77 was diverted to some other airport where everyone on board was killed.

All of this was done in broad daylight in front of hundreds of witnesses - from people on their way to work, to Pentagon employees, to firemen, paramedics, and policemen arriving on the scene. And nobody notices!

But there was one problem - one of the doofuses at the NWO accidentally programmed the flight path of the decoy plane into the planted FDR instead of the fllight path they would officially claim for Flight 77. The NTSB ignores these discrepancies, because they are also in on the conspiracy.

Everything is going smoothly until the crack team of FDR experts and researchers at the PfffT files a FOIA request and the NTSB turns over the incorrect data. Now they have blown the whole scheme wide open!

Is this an accurate summary of what you believe happened Turbofan?
 
If you think the NTSB is wrong, is it incompetence? Is it willfull? Why didnt they account for "missing seconds" as you have suggested?
You left out the other option - the NTSB prepared an animation so the media and general public could get a general idea of the path of Flight 77. The hacks at the PfffT took this animation as some ultra-accurate representation of the flight path and found discrepancies, which they used to sell hats, dvds, and aprons.

Then the hacks at PfffT got hold of the csv file and, because they don't have the slightest clue as to how the FDR actually works, decide it shows a completely different flight path and uin fact the plane the FDR came from had flown over the Pentagon.

This is why nobody takes you guys seriously. You're condemned to occupy the same garden apt. in the truther condo as Judy Wood and the other no-planers and DEW proponents.
 
Have you even read our mission statement?

This one? I edited it for you, to make it correct!

Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon", we just beat around the same bush. We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB, while not understanding any of it, as shown in our pathetic "analysis" of that data. We do not offer theory, but I bet you know what we're implying!

ETA:
Hi Rob!
 
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What i "think" happened doesnt matter. This is where you "critical thinkers" lose concept. Have you even read our mission statement?

Apparently not.

Try it... pay specific attention to the underlined sentence...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org
I'll explain this to you since as a founding member of the PfffT you obviously have trouble thinking rationally: the post was directed at Turbofan. You can tell that because I quoted him in the post. If you'd like, I'll post a screen shot with the name "Turbofan" circled in red so you know how to tell that all by yourself next time.
 
I'll explain this to you since as a founding member of the PfffT you obviously have trouble thinking rationally: the post was directed at Turbofan. You can tell that because I quoted him in the post. If you'd like, I'll post a screen shot with the name "Turbofan" circled in red so you know how to tell that all by yourself next time.

All you need to know is that the data released by the NTSB doesn't
match the government's official conspiracy theory.

Does anyone here know the diameter of the front tire on a 757-223?
Maybe the door size, or window size? :cool:
 
Actually, I'd like you to flesh out a bit more what you think happened at the Pentagon. Here's what we have so far, based on your posts:

Flight 77 disappears from radar screens, and is replaced by either a "smaller plane" or a missile, above it which flys a Boeing E-4B. Making impossibly tight turns at high speed no other airplane is capable of, the "smaller plane" or missile strikes the Pentagon, while the E4B flys over the Pentagon. Teams of conspirators immediately swoop down on the scene, tearing light poles out of the ground, sticking one in Lloyd England's cab. Other conspirators tear up tree branches, knock over construction equipment and material, fences, and marking poles where they figure Flight 77 would hit if it had actually taken the flight path they programmed into the FDR, which the crack team of conspirators also planted in the Pentagon. Other teams of conspirators spread airplane parts all over the lawn of the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring. They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure. At the same time, other conspirators go inside the burning Pentagon and plant the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew, which have been ground into hamburger a short time earlier when Flight 77 was diverted to some other airport where everyone on board was killed.

All of this was done in broad daylight in front of hundreds of witnesses - from people on their way to work, to Pentagon employees, to firemen, paramedics, and policemen arriving on the scene. And nobody notices!

But there was one problem - one of the doofuses at the NWO accidentally programmed the flight path of the decoy plane into the planted FDR instead of the fllight path they would officially claim for Flight 77. The NTSB ignores these discrepancies, because they are also in on the conspiracy.

Everything is going smoothly until the crack team of FDR experts and researchers at the PfffT files a FOIA request and the NTSB turns over the incorrect data. Now they have blown the whole scheme wide open!

Is this an accurate summary of what you believe happened Turbofan?

Turbofan? This is accurate so far, yes? I mean, everything in that is based on what you've said in this thread alone. But no doubt you have more to add, don't you?
 
What i "think" happened doesnt matter. This is where you "critical thinkers" lose concept. Have you even read our mission statement?

Apparently not.

Try it... pay specific attention to the underlined sentence...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org

Your mission statment, Robbie, was written specifically to allow for you to have zero accountablity when your silly fantasy was exposed for the lie that it is. When proven wrong...all you have to say is "hey, look at our mission statement, we don't subscribe to any theory...we're just presenting information and having you, the reader, make up your own mind". This, of course, is a truly cowardess stance. Pffffffft is nothing more than a scam to con impressionable and ill-informed people out of their money to buy your crappy t-shirts and mugs. All of this off the deaths of innocent victims. Sad, sick, pathetic and truly discgraceful.

Karma's a bitch.
 
Guys come on.

hx and turbo are merely Rob surrogates, over here to do nothing more than flame bait you guys, and now more recently to try and set up free publicity for pft. They can't get any support from their own ilk, and they figure if they get on hardfire, and overrun a guest with assanine ********, then they can use the bragging rights to garnish some thread of respect from the other truthers.

My opinion Ron, bring on Anti, beach, and the others. Have them present their evidence, and let the PFT crowd rot in hell. I agree with the others, they (pft) do not deserve the publicity.

TAM:)
 
Guys come on.

hx and turbo are merely Rob surrogates, over here to do nothing more than flame bait you guys, and now more recently to try and set up free publicity for pft. They can't get any support from their own ilk, and they figure if they get on hardfire, and overrun a guest with assanine ********, then they can use the bragging rights to garnish some thread of respect from the other truthers.

My opinion Ron, bring on Anti, beach, and the others. Have them present their evidence, and let the PFT crowd rot in hell. I agree with the others, they (pft) do not deserve the publicity.

TAM:)

That's not fair, nothing will get accomplished that way.

Why is everyone so afraid to talk with us?
 
Find a way to gain knowledge and make rational conclusions, and then you will not need to act like this everyday.
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So they are not going to find knowledge.
I guess p4t have run out of steam again. I love this photo.

It is indicative of the p4t false information experts not reading past post that answer their repetitive questions.

Some tell them to read and stop acting dumb.
There is a group as challenged as p4t. What was their name?…

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I was laughing as a read the Patriots page, the pilot statements are debunked tripe from years ago. The truth movement is dead.

Too bad hx, turbofan and Balsamo can't do math, they could cure their inability to understand 9/11.
 
Kinda like he's a faceless internet wanna be and wont come forward to back it up.

Do you like believing in fantasy 'experts'?

Well...if the so-called "fantasy" experts know their math :)

How's Rob coming along on those calculations he's been working on for the past 4 months?

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All of these smart people here, but they wont go live and shut us down?

No need to. Anyone with a basic understanding of physics knows that pfffft doesn't know what they're talking about. If anyone believed you or cared about what you had to say then you wouldn't have to come here begging for attention.

Who on this forum wants to hear a live interview between reheat, beachnut,
anti and members of PFT (3)?

That's a no for me....I'd rather see video of pfffft taking their "evidence" to some members of the MSM or some FDR experts.
 
How do you think we got the decode of the raw data? The software to decode such data is over 100k. Why couldnt Anti-Sophist and/or Beachnut get the decode? Anti-Sophist or Beachnut cant even get their own data frame layout. LMAO! They arent real "experts". You all been fooled. This is why they refuse to debate using real names. Wake up "critical thinkers".

(by the way, Beachnut uses "25 flights on raw data decoded by P4T" as one of his excuses it data from AA77. P4T decoded the raw data and never decoded 25 flights! Go figure...)

For those a bit lost, Beachnut is trying to use information from P4T to argue his theory, when P4T doesnt even have that information!
When will you get anything right. I said
Funny stuff, Rob fails to tell you the FDR had 25 hours worth of previous flights made by flight 77 before 9/11. Kind of proves the FDR was flight 77's FDR. Debunked by himself, over and over again.
p4t said they have the data from other flights made by the airframe, 77's airframe. That means there is proof in the hands of p4t experts, proving the FDR found in the Pentagon on 9/11 belongs to 77. How bad can you mess up stuff and have incomplete information.


But you only missed the hours by a factor of 24 times. And if I messed up once and said days, you failed to simply correct me, and move on, or research to see I got it right before; real weak. But you sure quote mined the heck out of this it.
Next beachnut attack is? You said no one talks about me, yet… Makes me wonder where you found a lie I made, why can't you produce my lies, or the evidence for your non theories from p4t.

No theories, means no evidence, just crying for a new investigation. What have they been reading for 6 years?

World to HX and Balsamo, the NTSB decoded the FDR. Why do I need to do it again. You guys will not be able to figure it out anyway, it is like your 11.2 G error, no one at p4t can fix it! You found nothing in the FDR, because your experts are not experts, your one expert does EMI / EMC, you failed to tell us what that means. It means you know as much about the FDR as your expert does, except in the area of EMI/EMC. This mean your expert is worth nothing, and since you make no theory from his work, he failed to make any real input to help you make "no theory". Good job, rob, good job rob's clone, hx. Does he tell you what to post? You seem to be as bad as Rob, messing up hours for days, taking 6 years to mess up 9/11 ideas past recognition when rational people can figure out 9/11 in minutes; NEED an example?

Rob talking about making a model to fix his math errors! But Rob, you must know math to make a model! Kids today! He is also accusing a new guy of being from JREF, a normal tactic when a new guy screws up and tries to use rational ideas with the fantasy land director; a new poster is harassed by the founder! Wowzer! p4tf censorship! One of many...
Rob says, "Nice strawman, circular logic and putting words in my mouth. Typical govt loyalist slimy tactics. Consider this your first warning.

However, if thats how you rationalize it to yourself in order for you to understand the method, so be it. It seems you arent familiar with the concept of reducing margins for error. (as in major ERRORS fool? added by i)

I understand you are nervous that we have built a model, it certainly shows... and you should be.

Thread closed until we're done. Rob Balsamo, 5 May 08. p4t censor and all around physics expert
tic, tic, tic.. That will show em...
Notice the ending! Thread Closed! No more truth for you! I love the truthNAZI. They accused a poor guy of being of JREF in the thread as he asks how they will build a model. He must of sensed the insanity, I mean the inability of math and physics dolts building a model. Is it possible? DATE Thread was closed, 5 May. In a few days the discussion of fixing the doltish attempt at flight physics will be thread closed for 4 Months! Guess there were no early summer school courses for physics, or they flunked physics again. If their teacher sees their error, he may not be able to teach for a year or two while he is laughing out of control. The horror of it all. I wish I was exaggerating. Is our country behind in education?; as this fiasco shows, the entire p4t core membership is too afraid to correct "thread closed" Balsamo, or just incredibly ignorant in math and physics.

What does this have to do with a FDR thread. It shows the poor skills at p4t for understanding simple concepts, are contributing to their failed ideas on the FDR.

Now with the strict "no theory" rule, what is the purpose of p4t besides selling junk ideas to kids who want to be pilots? A very few kids, and some of them lack math skills or are intimidated by the "thread closing" false information merchant who threatens those who destroy his story with death.

As for the FDR experts, the other one has a FDR on his plane when he flies a 737 or 320, but that is that. If you read what he says, he can't even get into the data in the FDR to make a rational statement, he is on board with hx, turbofan and Rob, he fits perfect with the woo of p4t; he must not make it known and keeps it compartmentalized from his Jet Blue buddies; or do they pimp him for all the beer they can drink, holding his tin foil hat status as leverage.

Pilots usually do not suffer fools lightly. It is easy to see why one pilot spewing this junk was fired, at least the p4t propaganda blames his views for being fired, as if spewing crazy ideas is a trait airlines desire.
 
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All you need to know is that the data released by the NTSB doesn't
match the government's official conspiracy theory.

Does anyone here know the diameter of the front tire on a 757-223?
Maybe the door size, or window size? :cool:

It should be easy even for dunces from Pfffft to know how tall a door is approximately. Unless you have never flown in a commercial jet (even then basic common sense should give you a clue)

I note you have ignored the posts that proved you debunked your own star FDR expert Dennis about wreckage on the lawn and proved he was a liar. You're not a liar as well are you TF? You admit there was lots of aircraft wreckage on the lawn regardless of whether you think it is fake?

What does "recruited" mean TF?
 
hxstamper said:
Pilotsfor911truth.org does not make the claim that "No Boeing 757 hit the
Pentagon". We have analyzed the Flight Data Recorder data provided by the
NTSB and have shown factual analysis of that data. We do not offer theory.

Oh really. So what "truth" were you going after when you set up Pffft. Were you going after the truth that NTSB animations are not 100% accurate? What led you to suspect the animation was not accurate in the first place? Have you done any analysis of NTSB animations unconnected to 9/11?
 

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