AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[hxstamper]

Curious though, is the AC/DC still on the discs you sell?
Only Robie boy ever argued this before with me, odd that you would even know about it?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org
scroll down

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/trailer.html

Both have never left the DVD.

Dogtown, you are a fraud. Your last reply (in this thread i believe) was that the reason Sony didnt 'pursue' is becuase "[we] didnt sell any". Can the "critical thinkers" here find it? I dont feel like looking. Move the goal posts much?

Ron, Rob will be emailing or calling you soon. Get Anti-Sophist set up for debate. Unless of course he and you prefer to do it alone. You know how civil Rob can be. You guys spent hours on the phone.

Beachnut, your desperation shows from parroting Mark Roberts crying from almost two years ago (see previous pages in this thread addressing your desperation). It is also clear why you refuse to debate.

Ron, now do you see why these so-called "experts" refuse? You said you were highly disappointed in them the last time. I heard the recordings of you and Rob.

Nonetheless, he looks forward to the beer and perhaps a Hardfire broadcast. Within driving distance now.

 

[Dog Town]

Dogtown, you are a fraud. Your last reply (in this thread i believe) was that the reason Sony didnt 'pursue' is becuase "[we] didnt sell any". Can the "critical thinkers" here find it? I dont feel like looking. Move the goal posts much?

*BZZZT* Wrong again! Now I am sure it is you! It was on a now defunct Board! It was a page only Rob and I posted on, a long time ago!
Rob has been banned around here, at least, a year before that exchange.
Unless you can prove, I posted that about SONY here? I could be wrong.

PS
I will call Sony again just to see if they might wanna reconsider. I know a lot O' folks on Colorado!

ETA: I did call Sony after Rob told me nothing was done by AOL, months after my friend no longer worked for AOL. They laughed it off, claiming they heard it before, and were not woth the trouble. It was all in a thread at an old lost forum.

 

[stateofgrace]

So, what is it 'stateofgrace', pay for incompetence? Or helping to cover up a possible agenda.... hmmm...

you know what.. SoG.. you're a waste of time. .

Rob do you mind if I put these comments into my signature?

These were in response to a simple question.

Do you have irrefutable proof that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon? It required a simple answer.

Yes or no.

 

[Turbofan]

I certainly acknowledge that there is a lot of activity on this thread and perhps we all skim multiple posts between our being online in this thread.

Thanks for the reasonable reply Jaydee. I will admit, I do not read every
post; there's just too much to scan through. There are certain members
I look for, and some I ignore totally, unfortunately I missed that question
but don't take it personally. YOu are one of the few that seem sincere.

Its not working, that much is obvious. You have not gotten the attention of any relevent organization nor has your cause been receiving much MSM attention.[/QUOTED]

Granted, we don't have the luxury of MSM support. Even when 'we' have
tried, or had opportunities for news coverage (Jones, Fetzer, Gage), they
were shut down, or not allowed to show/comment on specific items.

Debatable but even if what you say is true those professionals must already know that in order to give their cause and credence the technical details must be laid out properly.

Agreed, but please don't be mistaken. It's not as though PFT, or other
organizations call these places with threats in mind, or inappropriate behaviour.

What you are hearing/seeing is likely last resort, or coverage of their (NTSB/FBI/NIST)
final conversations after proper procedure was tried. In other words,
you don't get much of the initial contact coverage as it contains little
feedback.

Rest assured PFT/AE doesn't call government agencies and begin screaming.

Its not up to me. I can't answer all your questions. The people here who I feel can and have, you do not accept.

It would be much easier to accept if these people came forward with
identity and credentials. If these so called experts truly know more than
911 patriots, or PFT, or AE, why not come forward and crush them?

Do you think I would carry on believing PFT if NIST, NTSB, or other came
forward with a logical, technical, scientific explanation of the FDR, or
WTC 7, or the twins?

Nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody wants to explain the oddities.
Nobody wants to document it.

Very frustrating. This leaves much doubt in my mind.

Anyway, hxstamper I'll catch up with you later and try to size up that
aircraft debris on the Pentagon lawn vs. the logo on the plane.

That debris sample looks awfully small to have come from AA77 based
on first glance of those airplane photos.

 

[stateofgrace]

Bump for turbo

Now this is funny.

Based on the questions I have asked you, you have claimed, a missile or small plane hit the Pentagon, you have claimed the FDR was planted at the pentagon, you have claimed, that the damage to the lamp posts was staged; you have claimed that all the eye witnesses who saw a plane hit the lamps are wrong. You have claimed that all the eye witnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon are wrong.

So, continuing with this, would you mind answering my following questions?

The plane parts found at the Pentagon, planted, or faked?

The DNA that was identified as being from those onboard flight 77, found at the Pentagon, planted or faked?

Remember, "We have questions, we want answers" so please continue to answer my questions as we continue to summarise your narrative.

Satisfy our doubts Turbo and please continue to answer our questions, ok?

 

[pomeroo]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org
scroll down

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/trailer.html

Both have never left the DVD.

Dogtown, you are a fraud. Your last reply (in this thread i believe) was that the reason Sony didnt 'pursue' is becuase "[we] didnt sell any". Can the "critical thinkers" here find it? I dont feel like looking. Move the goal posts much?

Ron, Rob will be emailing or calling you soon. Get Anti-Sophist set up for debate. Unless of course he and you prefer to do it alone. You know how civil Rob can be. You guys spent hours on the phone.

Beachnut, your desperation shows from parroting Mark Roberts crying from almost two years ago (see previous pages in this thread addressing your desperation). It is also clear why you refuse to debate.

Ron, now do you see why these so-called "experts" refuse? You said you were highly disappointed in them the last time. I heard the recordings of you and Rob.

Nonetheless, he looks forward to the beer and perhaps a Hardfire broadcast. Within driving distance now.

A 'Hardfire' debate featuring anti-Sophist is an attractive proposition.

Let's clarify something. I asked people here to step up to the plate when I was under the impression that Richard Greene of CLOUT wanted well-informed debunkers to oppose the gaggle of nitwits he had assembled. It turned out that my impression was completely wrong. He was quite content to pit little ol' me against the entire field, often granting me ten seconds to respond to a six-minute long torrent of nonsense. If some of the extremely knowledgeable debunkers on this forum attempted to join me, they didn't succeed: they weren't welcome.

I should also say a word on behalf of Rob Balsamo. He knows that I regard these preposterous fantasies about flyover planes and planted evidence with the contempt they deserve. But, he's been friendly and civil in his conversations with me. I have not witnessed the sort of behavior he's often accused of and I do not regard him as the sort of America-hater so many of us associate with the fantasy movement.

 

[WildCat]

Agreed, but please don't be mistaken. It's not as though PFT, or other
organizations call these places with threats in mind, or inappropriate behaviour.

What you are hearing/seeing is likely last resort, or coverage of their (NTSB/FBI/NIST)
final conversations after proper procedure was tried. In other words,
you don't get much of the initial contact coverage as it contains little
feedback.

Holy moly!

In other words, you contacted them (real, actual experts), they rejected your analysis, and PfffT responds with a hissy fit!

Thank you for verifying that no actual FDR experts agree with the PfffT analysis.

 

[bje]

Turbofan gets funnier by the moment

Hey...ummm...it does matter!

Your government says AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Strawman. No one depended on the "government" for that knowledge.

What I'm saying is, AA77 did not hit the Pentagon. Something else did.

Yet you, CIT, and PFT refused to interview the 1,000+ people who saw, handled, or sorted the wreckage. So you have no evidence to prove your claim. Now, just what kind of investigation is that?

• You don't know what the wreckage is.
• You have no statements from 1,000+ key eyewitnesses about the wreckage.
• You have no eyewitnesses from the opposite side of the Pentagon who saw AA77 fly over and beyond the Pentagon.

So, Turbofan, how do you propose to convince anyone that you have any evidence at all?

 

[beachnut]

... You know how civil Rob can be. ...

As in war? ....

I will not apologize for it this time. I will be there for his death should America fall into Civil War. That is not a threat. .that is a promise.
If he gets in my way of defending our Constitution.. it will be my pleasure to put a bullet in his head to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic." –"Pilots for Truth" founder Robert Balsamo

And where is your evidence to support the p4t "no theories" you guys have? Does the "no theory" junk mean you have no evidence, or no clue what happen on 9/11? If so what do you have for your no theories on the FDR?

What do you have? p4t, no theory, what can p4t debate? You sound just like Rob, are you posting for him through some phone hookup, he loves to use the phone so he can quote mine and cherry pick in that orchard as does CIT. If you take the "non-paths" of CIT and mix them with the "no theories" of p4t, you get a big pile of Nothing. Is this true?

Is the 500 milliseconds have something to do with the data missing on the FDR, or is that a unknown p4t fail to tell everyone. They fail to tell people FDRs have lost data. In fact a FDR like the one used in 77, lost 13 seconds of data at the end of flight! Does this mean p4t are not telling the truth, or padding their false information DVDs?

How does the 11.2 G math/physics error work out, do you support the math done by Balsamo? Can you do math and physics and help Balsamo fix the page of shame? I have to make the conclusion, since p4t are unable to do simple math/physics, they are unable to make correct conclusions or proper analysis of the FDR information, confirmed by their work, statements, DVDs, and forum.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Why not email or call them like P4T has done?





Oh,, thats right. "JonnyCluless" and "Beachnut" refuse.

Because it's your experts and you kids refuse to disclose the name of the person you have been consulting there. If this is such hard evidence, why doesn't the PFT cult get an endorsement from their own experts? Why isn't L3 supporting the cult they are backing up (according to your cult)?

BTW, nice spelling. It goes with Rob's math skills.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Ron how about a hardfire show as is being proposed but also get their expert from L3 to participate. Let's see what their own experts have to say on the matter.

 

[pomeroo]

Ron how about a hardfire show as is being proposed but also get their expert from L3 to participate. Let's see what their own experts have to say on the matter.

I attempted to contact people at L3 but got nowhere. I will try again.

 

[beachnut]

I should also say a word on behalf of Rob Balsamo. He knows that I regard these preposterous fantasies about flyover planes and planted evidence with the contempt they deserve. But, he's been friendly and civil in his conversations with me. I have not witnessed the sort of behavior he's often accused of and I do not regard him as the sort of America-hater so many of us associate with the fantasy movement.

Rob is selling DVDs and gets mad when people call his bluff on the content.

He only goes into delusional fits when he is backed into a corner of truth, and spews … things like this...

“… deserves to die a traitors [sic] death for trying to suppress 9/11 families from seeking the Truth.”–"Pilots for Truth" founder, and ex-commercial pilot, Robert Balsamo

Like hx and turbofan, he lacks evidence to support his "non-theories", his false information hoping those who are ill-informed make conclusion of lies to spur DVD sales. Like 77 did not hit the Pentagon, which Rob actually said during an interview. Must be some legal dance to avoid being sued for telling lies. We have no theories but after listening to his failed ideas he is implying 77 did not hit the Pentagon to sell his DVD packed with false information to the next sucker born.

The big CT for p4t, is the members lack the critical thinking skills to see the wizard behind the curtain, is pulling their strings.

I guess Balsamo is kind of mild, he only calls you a government apologist. That must be what you mean when you say Rob is civil, he only calls you names in the safety of his forum. OMG, in his forum he has said so many false statements, if he was president we would have much more than the meaning of is to get him on telling lies. Poor Gravy would be in Gitmo if Rob was president. So would I. The scuba is great, but I doubt we would survive the gallows when the Secretary of state Barrett finishes with us.

At least in a FDR thread, hx, turbofan, and all those posting for Balsamo haven not tied one of their false ideas to a plausible conclusion. Guess this is why p4t, hx, turbofan, etal are unable to have a "THEORY"; they have no evidence or facts to form a rational "THEORY"

No theory = p4t = no theory

Now is there really a show when the truther had "no theory". Then they make the mistake of talking! Oops, they have theories but they lack the comprehension to see what they say to constitute a theory, a theory that is pure fantasy only supported by quote mining, cheery picking and pilots with no evidence.

When will a p4t guy post some facts and stop going over things found useless to support their "no theory" stand? Darn, I did it again, "no theory" need no explanation.

What happen on 9/11 p4t poster?, "Nothing, we have "no theory", we want a new investigation so we can ignore the evidence and have another "no theory" so we can demand another new investigation.

p4t apologist have not presented support for tying their FDR whining to a rational conclusion (see we have, "no theory")

 

[T.A.M.]

Ron,

If you arrange such a show, you must protect the anonymity of those who request it. I think if you are able to verify who the guests are, and their qualification, but without publicly naming them, that would be a start.

I think most of the people here at JREF trust you enough to know that if you were given their names and qualifications, you would keep it confidential.

Otherwise we will hear Rob and his minions whine about anonymity...etc...

TAM (keeping his anonymity to protect his practice and his family from the idiots and harrassers).

TAM

 

[Reheat]

Ron, have you really thought about the reason he's nice and civil to you?

Could be you have something he wants......publicity?

He can and will go off like a time bomb in a flash. He is not to be trusted with anyone's personal information other than what he already has.

My personal opinion is that it would be a drastic mistake to give him and his ilk ANY publicity whatsoever.

 

[Par]

He can and will go off like a time bomb in a flash.

You mean a no-time bomb.

 

[JimBenArm]

Perhaps you can educate uk_dave on what "cheeb" means then?

And before all you gee... ahh.. JREFers think P4T pilots smoke weed... remember, pilots get drug tested more than a felon.


Fact is, JREFers are fun to play with on a rainy day when other plans fell through...

Sorry to burst your bubble Jim (but really, perhaps you can inform dave on 'cheeb')

weeeeeeee!

Cheeb? Dyslexic as well as stupid? Man, that's a tough row to hoe, now, isn't it?

Well, maybe when you get done playing pilot you can pretend to be a doctor, and cure yourself.

Or not.

 

[beachnut]

...
Fact is, JREFers are fun to play with on a rainy day when other plans fell through...

Other plans: Which one?

Trying to find something to post on topic in this thread?
9/11 truth convention?
Searching for facts and evidence to support ideas so far, just a fantasy?
Having the time, or ability to correct the 11.2 G fiasco (doubt it can rain that long)?
Conference call with all the 9/11 truth experts (no 9/11 experts found to call)?
Skiing with Rob, using money from DVD sales this month (oops, -.45 cents for the DVD)?
You were going to do something, but Rob is on the phone tell you what to post (it sure looks like Rob is posting for you, cause someone other than Rob would try to post some evidence)?
Going to shop (can’t find keys)?
Were going to go out, but found your methylphenidate, and can not stop posting?
Big truther get together?
P4t strategy session (there are "no theories, who need stinking strategy)?

So what fell through? I was hoping you had something to present other than how beachnut is ignored by p4t cause I am an old timer, and what Rob calls a government apologists. Does rob know the government is not needed to understand 9/11, but math and physics could help?

Plans? Are you sure you had plans, you have, "NO theories" (and proud to tell us)!


no paths, no evidence, no facts to support the no stuff,,, it's a no world after all, it's an no world after all, it.. . . …. .. .

it's a no no world - p4t (no truth for you!) soup what?

 

[nicepants]

Ron,

If you arrange such a show, you must protect the anonymity of those who request it. I think if you are able to verify who the guests are, and their qualification, but without publicly naming them, that would be a start.

I think most of the people here at JREF trust you enough to know that if you were given their names and qualifications, you would keep it confidential.

Otherwise we will hear Rob and his minions whine about anonymity...etc...

I bet they whine about it anyways.

It may be a good idea to have a FDR expert dispelling any theories regarding FDR data, but I don't believe that pfffft should be involved. They don't deserve any publicity.

In thinking about it further..these FDR deniers are really, as others have said, the fringe of the fringe. I'm not sure even doing a show on this topic would be worth the time. Those who are going to believe this nonsense are going to believe it regardless of what any expert in the field says. There are more people who believe they were abducted by aliens & met Elvis than believe this nonsense, and I don't think Hardfire would waste a show on that! Not that I don't think it would be somewhat interesting, but I think time would be better spent with another topic.

 

[Turbofan]

Holy moly!

In other words, you contacted them (real, actual experts), they rejected your analysis, and PfffT responds with a hissy fit!

Thank you for verifying that no actual FDR experts agree with the PfffT analysis.

See, this is why I don't like to talk about anything other than the FDR.

THis guy like to put words in my mouth and spin what he reads.

We contacted the people responsible for release the FDR data. Those are
the phone calls, you heard!

Those are the "experts" that wont talk to PFT.

They can't be all that smart because PFT found errors that they couldn't
catch.

Time to ignore this guy because it's not the first time he's spun my posts.

I'd like to be involved in the interview if possible. If there are other PFT
members that are stepping up, I'll gladly let them take my place. If you
need another voice, I'm here to debate.

P.S. Our FDR experts agree. I already listed them.