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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

Turbofan said:
See, this is why I don't like to talk about anything other than the FDR.
THis guy like to put words in my mouth and spin what he reads.
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I hear your pain.

So you didn't claim a missile hit the Pentagon, or that the Plane on route towards the Pentagon did not hit any lamp posts, or that anybody who witnessed the plane hitting the lamp posts are wrong? You didn’t claim that anybody who witnessed the plane hitting the Pentagon is wrong and that the FDR was planted, right?
If there are other PFT
members that are stepping up, I'll gladly let them take my place.
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Oh dear , what a shame I was so looking forward to you answering these questions.
The plane parts found at the Pentagon, planted, or faked?

The DNA that was identified as being from those onboard flight 77, found at the Pentagon, planted or faked?
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Remember you said “We have questions and we want answers"? Well, you have also claimed that you have proved Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.

I look forward to your answers.


 
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pomeroo said:
I have not witnessed the sort of behavior he's often accused of and I do not regard him as the sort of America-hater so many of us associate with the fantasy movement.
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And Ron, from what Rob has said about you, you're alright... :D

(it appears many others here are too intimidated to speak with Rob, including your "expert" Beachnut. How many time has he brought up in this thread a heated exchange from a super bowl two years ago? One in which he was never involved, yet uses as excuse to not debate, rather be intimidated? LMAO!


Ron, Beachnut is a fraud, plain and simple. Reheat is also a fraud. Anti-Sophist may show promise, but only for pure ego, till we slap it down on hardfire. Set it up my friend.
 
T.A.M. said:
Ron,

If you arrange such a show, you must protect the anonymity of those who request it. I think if you are able to verify who the guests are, and their qualification, but without publicly naming them, that would be a start.
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Why... so "troofers" cant drag out skeletons that are publicly available under that persons name?

TAM... poor form buddy.
 
hxstamper said:
And Ron, from what Rob has said about you, you're alright... :D

(it appears many others here are too intimidated to speak with Rob, including your "expert" Beachnut. How many time has he brought up in this thread a heated exchange from a super bowl two years ago? One in which he was never involved, yet uses as excuse to not debate, rather be intimidated? LMAO!


Ron, Beachnut is a fraud, plain and simple. Reheat is also a fraud. Anti-Sophist may show promise, but only for pure ego, till we slap it down on hardfire. Set it up my friend.
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Your post is "Certified evidence free"; good thing since p4t have no theories. p4t have 11.2 Gs! But no theories.

NO Evidence to backup your calling me a lair and a fraud, matches your no evidence policy to go with your no theory edict

I always thought the DVDs you guys sell were a fraud due to the false information they convey, what do you think?

Get Balsamo to post something you can make a theory with, can you do that? Are you allowed to think for yourself, or does Balsamo control that? Is p4t a cult!?

A young sharp pilot would post evidence. But then, I tried to find one young sharp pilot in the list of pilots on the Patriots for nut case ideas on 9/11 web site, I failed again to find even a rational idea from any of the Pilots listed. Guess they left you off the web site, a boon for you.

Please try again to get on topic and post a fact and stop proving you were a liar about not being interested in that beachnut guy! Where is the evidence on beachnut, in the same place with your theories on 9/11?

You could start by tying the 500 ms to something relating to 9/11 and one of your, ha ha ha, "no theories". Pick any "no theory" and tie the 500 ms to it. Can you do that? What again is the purpose of p4t? Is it to get a new investigation, or sell stuff?

Your tasking is spelled out, but you have skipped all requests for evidence on all topic including the evidence I am a fraud and a liar. So sad, you told me p4t did not do this! Is Rob making you post this stuff?
 
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nicepants said:
....kinda like Reheat found errors that PFT couldn't catch? ;-)
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Kinda like he's a faceless internet wanna be and wont come forward to back it up.

Do you like believing in fantasy 'experts'?

All of these smart people here, but they wont go live and shut us down?
 
hxstamper said:
Ron, Beachnut is a fraud, plain and simple. Reheat is also a fraud. Anti-Sophist may show promise, but only for pure ego, till we slap it down on hardfire. Set it up my friend.
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You do realise that you are posting on a public forum don't you?

You are an absolute joke; your entire line of thinking is simply to demonise anybody that has the nerve to question you. You do absolute zero with your proof/evidence other than single out anybody that questions you.

Is this the sum total of your years of research? to simply post on JREF?

Is that it? Is that, the culmination of your years of research? Do you have any notion, at all, how small, petty minded, you come across as?

Had you any real proof, absolute proof, absolute conviction, you would not be here, demanding names, asking for one on one interviews, you would be demanding world attention.

You do not, you will never do so, and you know why you will not.
 
Turbofan said:
See, this is why I don't like to talk about anything other than the FDR.

THis guy like to put words in my mouth and spin what he reads.

We contacted the people responsible for release the FDR data. Those are
the phone calls, you heard!

Those are the "experts" that wont talk to PFT.

They can't be all that smart because PFT found errors that they couldn't
catch.

Time to ignore this guy because it's not the first time he's spun my posts.

I'd like to be involved in the interview if possible. If there are other PFT
members that are stepping up, I'll gladly let them take my place. If you
need another voice, I'm here to debate.

P.S. Our FDR experts agree. I already listed them.
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Has it ever occurred to you or anyone else at the PfffT to hire a real FDR expert(s) to analyze your data and make a report?
 
Who on this forum wants to hear a live interview between reheat, beachnut,
anti and members of PFT (3)?
 
stateofgrace said:
You do realise that you are posting on a public forum don't you?

You are an absolute joke; your entire line of thinking is simply to demonise anybody that has the nerve to question you. You do absolute zero with your proof/evidence other than single out anybody that questions you.

Is this the sum total of your years of research? to simply post on JREF?

Is that it? Is that, the culmination of your years of research? Do you have any notion, at all, how small, petty minded, you come across as?

Had you any real proof, absolute proof, absolute conviction, you would not be here, demanding names, asking for one on one interviews, you would be demanding world attention.

You do not, you will never do so, and you know why you will not.
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Circles are fun... no?

posted back on page 34 or something...

Sent to over 1000 mainstream, local and alternative media worldwide including congress.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html

Names and professional reputations signed on the above,
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
(Im sure TAM will work this list next for character assassination?)

Why does the media cover and literally tout an animation (Mike Wilson) not based on any flight data whatsoever, but fails to cover the animation produced by the NTSB in which the NTSB claims is based on flight data? Unprecedented!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/media_blackout022908.html


And for those using the tired old argument of "The FDR was found in the pentagon..."

Can the Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location Of Flight Data Recorder
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html


Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/location_2.html
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(insert laughing dog here)
 
beachnut said:
p4t can use the profits from DVD sales to do that! Good idea.
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But wait, didnt our tax dollars already do that and the NTSB provided the report? Ohhh.. thats right. Beachnut thinks the NTSB are frauds and incompetent and know more than the NTSB.

Again.. circles are fun, this was discussed several pages ago. Get up to speed "critical thinkers".
 
hxstamper said:
Circles are fun... no?

posted back on page 34 or something...




(insert laughing dog here)
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Also posted back on page 34 and round and round your petty little circle goes.

stateofgrace said:
1000? Didn't see that on your links,could you offer a link up please?

You evidence? Your actual evidence, not a petition, but the actual irrefutable evidence you have,of mass murder by the USG, why have you not sent that to the main stream media, the scientific community, the authorities etc?

Get your "evidence " together and blow this plot apart.
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How many laughing dogs do you want?
 
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WildCat said:
So are all those groups and people in on this incredibly stupid and impossibly vast conspiracy of yours?
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WC, you rarely deserve a reply, since most of your replies are attacks, you automatically lose the argument. However, i'll make one exception this time. Click the link above that ends in "media blackout". Do you know what is says?

Here, i'll give you a hint, Why did MSM cover the animation (literally tout his animation, Mike Wilson), not based on any flight data whatsoever, but never covered the animation produced by the NTSB?

I asked this question for 3 pages now. None of you "critical thinkers" have answered. Or perhaps, intentionally avoided?

Im so glad aviation professionals will see this page. :D
 
stateofgrace said:
You do realise that you are posting on a public forum don't you?

You are an absolute joke; your entire line of thinking is simply to demonise anybody that has the nerve to question you. You do absolute zero with your proof/evidence other than single out anybody that questions you.

Is this the sum total of your years of research? to simply post on JREF?

Is that it? Is that, the culmination of your years of research? Do you have any notion, at all, how small, petty minded, you come across as?

Had you any real proof, absolute proof, absolute conviction, you would not be here, demanding names, asking for one on one interviews, you would be demanding world attention.

You do not, you will never do so, and you know why you will not.
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That's how I see it. All of this world shaking evidence and it is presented on a message board as if this were the World Court? Both sides have been thoroughly discussed here, now it is up to the Truthers to do something with their "evidence". Why is it necessary to convince someone on JREF of your "truth"?

It reminds me of my late career - I had to deal with some perps who were always threatening to sue me. "I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna sue you for everything, I'm gonna have your job". I used to hear that crap at least once a week for 32 years. Eventually I began to respond with something like, "Sir, it is not necessary for you to inform me that you will be sueing me - I'm sure that when you contact your attorney about this matter, that your attorney will get that information to me if your attorney is certain that they have a case and then you will be a wealthy man."

So that's why I don't understand these guys who have turned 9/11 into a vocation and don't take it further. If you're not taking it to court because you feel the system is stacked against you, then what's the point of bringing your beliefs to a site like this?

By the way, I have never been sued.
 
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hxstamper said:
But wait, didnt our tax dollars already do that and the NTSB provided the report? Ohhh.. thats right. Beachnut thinks the NTSB are frauds and incompetent and know more than the NTSB.

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You are a pure liar. Your ability to make up false conclusions is proven by this post, better erase it while you can! Why can't you post some FDR stuff? Got no theories?

This post is an example how you twist what is said and make up lies, and you use the same mentality with 9/11, but have "no theories". Good job rob, and unverified not so sharp pilot, as seen by your fraud and fabricating pure lies without much effort.

Guess some FDR evidence is not coming from you, just insults from rob. Two people, carbon copies, rob and hxstamper.


Three Dog Night…
 
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WildCat said:
So are all those groups and people in on this incredibly stupid and impossibly vast conspiracy of yours?
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hxstamper said:
WC, you rarely deserve a reply, since most of your replies are attacks, you automatically lose the argument. However, i'll make one exception this time. Click the link above that ends in "media blackout". Do you know what is says?

Here, i'll give you a hint, Why did MSM cover the animation (literally tout his animation, Mike Wilson), not based on any flight data whatsoever, but never covered the animation produced by the NTSB?

I asked this question for 3 pages now. None of you "critical thinkers" have answered. Or perhaps, intentionally avoided?

Im so glad aviation professionals will see this page. :D
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I'll save you the trouble of reading that link, Wildcat. I just did. The answer to your question, based on the op-ed by Balsamo at that link, is "Yes".
 
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