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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

To Turbo & other PFFFT parrots...

Turbofan said:
How about you and I on the phone? My tab? Probably easier than writing
on a message board huh?
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What's the point, Turbo? So you can record the call, take one of his quotes out of context, then parade it over at pffft where you'll get a slap on the back from your fellow peddlers of ignorance? Seriously...if you've got proof (as you claim to have) then you don't need us for anything. Break the story on CNN, or go file a lawsuit, or go find a FDR expert who will actually agree with your claims.

Oh wait...all you care about is trying to "pwn" someone on a message board. I don't think you really even believe half of this bs you're claiming. Do you honestly think you're going to bring about any justice by arguing on a message board or trying to debate people one-on-one over the phone?

It's clear to most of us here that all of this 911 & Pentagon BS you peddle is nothing more than a security blanket....it's something that makes you feel special because you know about it and everyone else doesn't. It makes you feel that you are somehow better, smarter, or more important than those who don't agree with you or believe you. Despite the overwhelming evidence against your nonsense, you won't reject your theories....you can't. Largely, this is because you are too proud to admit that you are wrong, but it also would mean losing the very thing that makes you feel superior to all of us "government loyalists"/"sheeple"/etc.

I am not a psychologist, but it would probably be worth your while to speak to one. There are clearly some deep personal issues that need to be dealt with in your life. Best to deal with them now, while you're still young, then end up like one of those crazy homeless guys ranting and raving about how he was abducted by aliens.

Provided you don't become the crazy guy on the corner when you grow up, you'll one day look back on this time of your life, smile, shake your head and say "wow, did I really say that?". It may even happen sooner than you think...perhaps when the stresses & hormones involved with being a teenager finally wear off.
 
WildCat said:
And yet, there's not a single FDR expert who supports the PfffT.

Instead of debating on the internet, why don't you see if you can get an actual FDR expert to support your nonsense? Of course, we all know it's because you can't.

Charlatans, frauds, hacks, and snake-oil salesmen is all you have.

Why don't you post a pic of yourself all decked out in your PffffT merch?
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For the third, or fourth time now:

Dennis Cimino - Flight Data Recorder Expert and Former Navy Combat Systems Specialist.

Jeff Latas -
Air Force ROTC program and Aerospace Engineering program at the University of Arizona
United States Air Force
Flew F-111D, F-15 and served as a flight instructor in T-38s.
Flew E "Strike Eagle" in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm.
Flew 38 official combat missions and remained in theater for nearly eight months.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Latas

P.S. I can give Anti my number and he can call me collect.
 
nicepants said:
What's the point, Turbo? So you can record the call, take one of his quotes out of context...
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No, you see that is exactly what Anti is doing. He is directly contradicting
and ignoring FDR specifications presented by Ed Santana of L3 Communications.

Anti is also questining the timing of data transfer within the ARINC 717
system.

I have provided that timing, and a link to the documention to show how
the system works.

My point would be to explain how the system works , live on the phone
with Anti as he's not able to understand the information linked up by the
URL to the manufacturer site.
 
uk_dave said:
P4T should get a quote from these people....

http://www.flightscape.com/services/index.php

http://www.flightdata.com.au/content/view/3/26/

...and have a whip round.
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Hmmm....


http://www.aa77fdr.com/ReadOut2Personal.html


Now why couldnt any "FDR Experts" from JREF do the same?

I know why "Wildcat" wants to know all our "FDR Experts", so T.A.M. can continue his character assassination thread.

Wildcat, just get "Reheat", Beachnut" and "Anti-Sophist" to step up to the plate for debate (no from behind their screen), and we'll see who knows more about "FDR's".
 
Turbofan, don't forget that in many states, it is illegal to record people without their consent. I don't have examples, since I am not stupid enough even to consider that. There would also be federal laws to consider.

My dad, lo many years ago, would end lectures to me with "don't do anything stupid."
 
uk_dave said:
hmmmmmmmm

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313354/pg1
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Hmmm... Dennis Cimino seems to confirm Ed Santana of L3. Both interviews are on P4T site. Need the link again?

You and other anonymous JREFers use "abovetopsecret" as source and "salesman" excuses to hold onto your theories instead of actually calling an FDR company or going to an ARINC conference as did P4T. If the shoe fits i guess.

We'll continue our work, you continue your excuses on your message boards... :D
 
Turbofan said:
Dennis Cimino - Flight Data Recorder Expert .....
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Just because you state this doesn't make it true. There are more holes in this guys story than in a fishing net.

Turbofan said:
Jeff Latas -
Air Force ROTC program and Aerospace Engineering program at the University of Arizona
United States Air Force
Flew F-111D, F-15 and served as a flight instructor in T-38s.
Flew E "Strike Eagle" in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm.
Flew 38 official combat missions and remained in theater for nearly eight months.
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Now, which of these aircraft had an FDR? How did he become an expert on same?
 
uk_dave said:
Do what? Are you suggesting that you commisioned an expert FDR analysis firm to provide you with a comprehensive readout of the fdr data?
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How do you think we got the decode of the raw data? The software to decode such data is over 100k. Why couldnt Anti-Sophist and/or Beachnut get the decode? Anti-Sophist or Beachnut cant even get their own data frame layout. LMAO! They arent real "experts". You all been fooled. This is why they refuse to debate using real names. Wake up "critical thinkers".

(by the way, Beachnut uses "25 flights on raw data decoded by P4T" as one of his excuses it data from AA77. P4T decoded the raw data and never decoded 25 flights! Go figure...)

For those a bit lost, Beachnut is trying to use information from P4T to argue his theory, when P4T doesnt even have that information!
 
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hxstamper said:
How do you think we got the decode of the raw data? The software to decode such data is over 100k. Why couldnt Anti-Sophist and/or Beachnut get the decode? Anti-Sophist or Beachnut cant even get their own data frame layout. LMAO! They arent real "experts". You all been fooled. This is why they refuse to debate using real names. Wake up "critical thinkers".
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Did you commision a report from an expert FDR Analysis firm and, if so, have you published said report with any and all provisos they may have included?

If not, why not?
 
hxstamper said:
We'll continue our work,
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I don't know of anyone who is trying to stop you. Paranoid, maybe?

hxstamper said:
you continue your excuses on your message boards... :D
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As you know there is hardly any discussion about FDR's unless you or one of your henchmen show up. If you think there are only excuses provided, why are you here?

Hmmmmmmm......
 
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Reheat said:
Just because you state this doesn't make it true. There are more holes in this guys story than in a fishing net.

Now, which of these aircraft had an FDR? How did he become an expert on same?
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YOu have at least three options:

- Call Dennis Cimino and ask him about his FDR qualifications
- Research his claims instead of questioning them
- Read his resume and get references. Call up the references
 
Turbofan said:
YOu have at least three options:

- Call Dennis Cimino and ask him about his FDR qualifications
- Research his claims instead of questioning them
- Read his resume and get references. Call up the references
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Does Dennis Cimino have the '100k' software needed to decode the data?

If not, how is he able to comment upon it?
 
Turbofan said:
YOu have at least three options:

- Call Dennis Cimino and ask him about his FDR qualifications
- Research his claims instead of questioning them
- Read his resume and get references. Call up the references
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You left out the option that I don't care. Your claim, buddy, your nickle to prove it or not.
 
uk_dave said:
Did you commision a report from an expert FDR Analysis firm and, if so, have you published said report with any and all provisos they may have included?

If not, why not?
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What is this, 21 questions while avoiding mine? Thats not what you asked initially.

Of course an FDR Company is not going to provide a "comprehesive report". The NTSB already did!. It doesnt support the govt story. You people make excuses like "altimeter lag", "missing seconds", "rotated map". Why hasnt the NTSB claimed such errors and/or corrected them? Unprecedented!
 
hxstamper said:
What is this, 21 questions while avoiding mine? Thats not what you asked initially.

Of course an FDR Company is not going to provide a "comprehesive report". The NTSB already did!. It doesnt support the govt story. You people make excuses like "altimeter lag", "missing seconds", "rotated map". Why hasnt the NTSB claimed such errors and/or corrected them? Unprecedented!
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Calm down.

I asked initially and subsequently whether or not you had commisioned a report from an FDR Analysis company. I even provided links to two such companies.

Apparently you haven't done so. I don't really know what the text you posted a link to is describing. It appears to be a recollection of an informal discussion someone had in a hotel conference room with someone from a company called ARINC. But you don't seem to have a report from them.

The discussion itself appears to be recalled by someone who is not entirely familiar with the matters being discussed.

It's not really very convincing.

We're always being told about how the 'truth' movement has such massive support from the public and all those rich celebrities like Charlie Sheen and Rosie. But you don't appear to have attempted to raise the money to pay for a comprehensive analysis of the FDR to be carried out by a professional firm who can produce a report which will stand scrutiny.

Why not?
 
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