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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

Turbofan said:
The proof is right here Jonny CLUELESS:

http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/911_1.5_lightpoles.jpg

How do you get the plane low enough to hit the light poles at 273 ft AGL,
considering the speed, and g's?

Thanks for your technical ability to answer this finally :rolleyes:
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According to your claims, the FDR data is not possible. yet you are then using it to assert your claims? Gosh, and you wonder why you aren't taken seriously?

As for how the plane hit the light poles, it's not very hard to figure out. Especially for the witnesses who watched.

Now would you care to show us how those light poles were plants, some in the middle of busy roads, in front of 100s of 1000s of people without anyone noticing?

Thanks for your technical ability to roll your eyes kid.

Still waiting for your answer about your experts agreeing with your conclusion. Why do you keep running and hiding form the question little timmy? Again, you said you have absolute proof, so let's see a statement from L3 saying they agree with your conclusions and your evidence.
 
Oh yes and I love how his CNN evidence is simply them referring to the same Nazi conspiracy web site. And of course Assuming it was the plane the Nazi's think it was, that proves what again? How exactly does that prove flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? We know its not flight 77, and we know flight 77 flew to the pentagon, stopped responding at the Pentagon, its parts and passengers at the pentagon, it was seen flying into the Pentagon.

So we also have proof here that the easter bunny was flying a plane near the Pentagon. Brilliant!
 
roundhead said:
From Pentagonresearch:

photo at the top of this page is the earliest photo of the exit hole that I've been able to find. No hose lines have been stretched by the fire department and nothing has been displaced. This photo was taken on the 11th probably by a firefighter doing an initial size-up on the building. The only place it has appeared officially is in the Arlington County After-Action report implying that its source is from emergency personnel.


[qimg]http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/066-large.jpg[/qimg]
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Do you want to explain all that water on the left side of the picture?
 
roundhead said:
... " There were very few identifiable plane parts in the wreckage. "...
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Because the rest of the parts of the plane did not look like aircraft parts! Why, they were smashed. Your logic is shot.

Your posts prove 77 hit the Pentagon. Good job! You are self debunking. Great job presenting evidence, poor job making conclusions. F is the letter grade, and that is generous. Redo, just like you failed OKC junk ideas.
 
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beachnut said:
Because the rest of the parts of the plane did not look like aircraft parts! Why, they were smashed. Your logic is shot.

Your posts prove 77 hit the Pentagon. Good job! You are self debunking. Great job presenting evidence, poor job making conclusions. F is the letter grade, and that is generous. Redo, just like you failed OKC junk ideas.
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Very lame attempt at spin...


That 9 foot hole had zero damage right next to it, even rebar was removed/sliced cleanly...nothing sitting outside in that pile could have made such a nice clean hole...and you know it.

The Damage assesment team even clearly stated all the major pieces of the plane were gone by the time it went in 100 feet or so.Not that they were even allowed to see the exit hole, because they werent

If a piece of debris made it that far, with that force, it would have actually collapsed the wall in that area, not made a surgical hole with rebar cleanly sliced through..

My analysis above(the shaped charge analysis) clearly refutes your hearsay, and supports Occams Razor as compared to the official lie twenty fold.

The evidence DOESNT support your weak theory, but does mine nicely...you lose:D



Let me ask you a direct question, i want to hear your response to it...


Q.The Pentagon building performance group was not allowed to see the exit hole, why would you think that was. As they had been tasked to study cause and effect at the Pentagon?
 
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WildCat said:
Hmmm, it also occurs to me maybe roundhead is under the impression that we're saying that the landing gear, and the landing gear alone, went skipping off the columns and knocked the hole in the wall? No roundhead, it was a big old pile of debris of which the landing gear was just a part of.

Can you identify airplane parts in that debris roundhead? I can! Fuselage bits even...
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So aluminum airplane bits punched a neat 9 foot hole through a rebar reinforced wall neat and clean, eh.

I cant believe you would cling to such an explanation, its plain stupid.


A shaped charge would make that exact same hole, cleanly slicing through the rebar, with no damage to either side, which is plainly the case here. Along with the resultant soot, clearly in evidence.

If it tastes like a big mac, its a big mac , brother
 
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roundhead:
Let me ask you a direct question. Why are the thousands of people that were there lying about what hit the building? Don't say they ain't (or they don't exist)because they all would have to be. Are they all part of the vast conspiracy?
 
WildCat said:
Hey Turbofan and roundhead, did you look at all those pictures showing airplane parts? Were those all planted there? Were the remains of the Flight 77 passengers also planted there? Are all the rescue workers (firemen, paramedics, police, etc) who responded from outlying towns in on it also?

Oh, and be sure to post those missile part pics. Maybe that tire and wheel was from a missile? And the FDR?
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HAHA......iS THIS A BLIND INVESTIGATOR WHO WAS THERE RIGHT AFTER THE INCIDENT:


TERRY MITCHELL (Chief, Audiovisual Division, Office of ASD PA): "It's more to the right of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side. This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down there."
(News Briefing The Pentagon, Arlington, Virginia September 15, 2001, 11:00 A.M. EDT)



"I didnt see ANY evidence of the aircraft down there"......Seems crystal clear to me
 
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roundhead:
What caused the hole and where are the reminisce? Do you have photos?

ETA: That hole was punched in a limestone block wall, What re-bar are you talking about?
 
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roundhead said:
From Pentagonresearch:

photo at the top of this page is the earliest photo of the exit hole that I've been able to find. No hose lines have been stretched by the fire department and nothing has been displaced. This photo was taken on the 11th probably by a firefighter doing an initial size-up on the building. The only place it has appeared officially is in the Arlington County After-Action report implying that its source is from emergency personnel.


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There's standing water on the left side of the pic, the firemen have already packed up the hose.
 
going back a few--which I have not read due to slowness of forum and truthers on ignore....
How does something magically pass thru something else without making holes?
 
roundhead said:
Very lame attempt at spin...


That 9 foot hole had zero damage right next to it, even rebar was removed/sliced cleanly...nothing sitting outside in that pile could have made such a nice clean hole...and you know it.
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Hey Einstein, there's no rebar in a masonry wall.

Pathetic.

The Damage assesment team even clearly stated all the major pieces of the plane were gone by the time it went in 100 feet or so.Not that they were even allowed to see the exit hole, because they werent
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Sure they were, and they did. That's why it's shown on their diagram.

If a piece of debris made it that far, with that force, it would have actually collapsed the wall in that area, not made a surgical hole with rebar cleanly sliced through..
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Once again Einstein, no rebar in a masonry wall. And there's nothing "surgical" about it.

My analysis above(the shaped charge analysis) clearly refutes your hearsay, and supports Occams Razor as compared to the official lie twenty fold.
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rwguinn said:
going back a few--which I have not read due to slowness of forum and truthers on ignore....
How does something magically pass thru something else without making holes?
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Turbofan and roundhead are under the impression that the diagram showing the column damage has the cross-section of the columns drawn to scale. Thus, they think nothing could have made it past the forest of 5 foot wide columns to punch the hole in the C-Ring, so they blew a hole in it for who the hell knows why.

As stupid as that sounds, that's their story and they're sticking to it.
 
DGM said:
roundhead:
What caused the hole and where are the reminisce? Do you have photos?

ETA: That hole was punched in a limestone block wall, What re-bar are you talking about?
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There was rebar in the wall, the Pentagon performance study cites it.

As to what made the hole, i have already clearly showed it earlier in the thread, along with an accomping photo showing nearly the exact same damage the Rapid Wall breaching Kit would cause....Go back and look at the pictures i posted, its specs(the kit)and report back.

This kit NEATLY answers EXACTLY how that hole was made, right down to the sooty residue it produces.

From Pentagon Research:


"Then finally the "C" ring wall had steel mesh, rebar and 8 more inches of brick".



Remember also, that initial picture of the hole i posted, nothing laying outside the hole was burned or charred, look at the photo again.

Then look at later photos and note the difference.Note also the Rapid Wall Breaching unit leaves no charred remains outside its blast area(exactly as the FIRST picture taken of the hole clearly shows.

Study up and report back...and dont friggin lie any more


Here is the FIRST photo again

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and from the little tool used to do this job
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WildCat said:
Hey Turbofan and roundhead, did you look at all those pictures showing airplane parts? Were those all planted there? Were the remains of the Flight 77 passengers also planted there? Are all the rescue workers (firemen, paramedics, police, etc) who responded from outlying towns in on it also?

Oh, and be sure to post those missile part pics. Maybe that tire and wheel was from a missile? And the FDR?
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I’d actually like to see answers to these questions.

To date Turbo has claimed the FDR was planted. A second plane flew over the Pentagon and its FDR was released rather than Flight 77’s. He as claimed the lamp posts were staged. He as claimed those who saw the plane hit the lamp posts are wrong. He has claimed that those who witnessed the plane hit the pentagon are wrong.He as claimed a missile or a small plane hit the Pentagon.

So Turbo, just for clarity, you understand, could you further add to your “narrative” of the days events at the Pentagon and answer the questions above ?

Oh,on top of WildCats questions, am I correct in assuming you don’t believe that terrorists hijacked Flight 77 that day, right?

I am still very, very interesting in getting a summary of what you are trying to get the rest of the planet to buy into. Ta.
 
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roundhead said:
This kit NEATLY answers EXACTLY how that hole was made, right down to the sooty residue it produces.
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Interestingly, when CIT was asked what its investigation uncovered about the wreckage and the 1,000+ people who saw it, handled it, or sorted it openly on the Pentagon lawn, CIT's Ranke and Marquis said "those witnesses and wreckage are irrelevant."

I'd suggest you go back and consult with CIT to get your story right, roundhead, before you embarrass yourself any further, don't you agree?
 
roundhead said:
Study up and report back...and dont friggin lie any more


Here is the FIRST photo again

[qimg]http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/066-large.jpg[/qimg]
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I have studied (I'm not lying) and you demonstrate clearly why arguing with morons is pointless and proves nothing. Goodbye.
 
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