A question for old earth believers

[The Grave]

Oh I get it...longer to pray to IT; that's IT's bloody plan!

From the same link:

"The Earth's rotation is slowing down because of this. One hundred years from now, the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it is now."

But since I won't be praying...Oooh what can I spend those extra 2 milliseconds doing?

Griff...

 

[athon]

You know, I disagree here. In the narrow sense, Aldrin's response was understandable and defensible. And I think that in a broader sense, Aldrin did the right thing. Society needed Sibrel to get punched in the face.

Well, there's no universal right and wrong, so it's not really an argument we can have on those grounds. My own personal morality on it dictates to me that punching somebody who is verbally abusing you extends past due recource, although is perfectly understandable (in other words, I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I would feel bad if I did).

The best we can agree on is that we can both sympathise with the guy.

Athon

 

[PixyMisa]

The best we can agree on is that we can both sympathise with the guy.

We can probably also agree that Bart Sibrel is a weasel.

 

[xingyifa]

Speaking of weasels, did DK ever answer that question that keeps popping up throughout this thread?

 

[athon]

We can probably also agree that Bart Sibrel is a weasel.

A Dustinian weasel of the more traditional kind?

Speaking of weasels, did DK ever answer that question that keeps popping up throughout this thread?

Yeah, in his own Dustinian way. He claimed he used the term-

Because frequently people on this forum have habit of simply linking to other websites opposed to answering questions asked of them directly and explaining them in their own words. When I said people would "invent a way to weasel out of it" I meant inventing a way not to directly answer the question in their own words, rather link to some website to do the explaining for them.

Dustin either doesn't understand the connotation of his posts, seeing that saying something like 'Good question. Watch them weasel out of this one' carries the subtext of a) agreeing with the insinuation of the claim in the OP, and b) that there is an expectation that a sizeable proportion of those responding will try to get around a rather large logical obstacle through using word play and semantics...

...or he understands this, and since he has now found himself painted into a corner has to explain his post as being less accusational and offensive than it was.

My thought is the latter. He's more cowardly than naive, in this situation. I find it difficult to believe that even wouldn't be fully aware of the subext in his post.

Athon

 

[Slimething]

Speaking of weasels, did DK ever answer that question that keeps popping up throughout this thread?

By the time DK evolves the honesty to do that, our days will be 2 msec longer.

 

[Mobyseven]

Well, there's no universal right and wrong, so it's not really an argument we can have on those grounds. My own personal morality on it dictates to me that punching somebody who is verbally abusing you extends past due recource, although is perfectly understandable (in other words, I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I would feel bad if I did).

The best we can agree on is that we can both sympathise with the guy.

Athon

To me what Buzz did was a perfectly reasonable reaction to having someone invade your personal space while screaming the equivalent of, "Your life is a lie! You are a liar!" over and over again.

But again, common ground is found in that we all sympathise with Buzz.

 

[thaiboxerken]

That, and Buzz isn't a liar. Dustin really does use cowardly tactics, dishonesty and lies.

 

[Taffer]

On September 9, 2002, filmmaker and journalist Bart Sibrel, a proponent that the six Apollo lunar missions were elaborate hoaxes, confronted Aldrin outside a Beverly Hills, California hotel, demanding that Aldrin either swear an oath on the Bible that he had walked on the Moon or admit that it was all a hoax. After Aldrin and an unnamed female relative who was accompanying him tried to leave, Sibrel put the Bible in front of him and called Aldrin "a coward, a liar, and a thief". Aldrin punched Sibrel in the face. [13] Beverly Hills police and the city's prosecutor declined to file charges. Sibrel suffered no permanent injury.

Bart Sibrel wrote, produced and directed the 2001 documentary, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon."

Source.

Doesn't even mention "Fighting Words" at all.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I could ask the same of you, since you seem completely unable to reckognise that different situations are in fact different situations. Confronting a person who tells lies and avoids straight questions with his lies and evading should definitely not warrant a punch in the face.

So, trying to indirectly associate yourself with Buzz Aldrin is just another pathetic move of yours, and part of your "I'm sooo persecuted" complex you keep running.

Calling someone a "coward" and a "liar" in their face is threatening regardless of the factuality of the assertions themselves. The assertions being made are irrelevant. If someone was in your face shouting "Goo-Goo-Gaa-Gaa" it would still be threatening and warrant self defense.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

WTF is the link supposed to show in support for your incorrect views of either astronomy or Constitutional Law?

Well, two can play at this game. Here's one for you!
http://tinyurl.com/pk5q

Well, enough pleasantries. What did you you mean by "weasel"?

I already answered that.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Source.

Doesn't even mention "Fighting Words" at all.

It says..

Sibrel put the Bible in front of him and called Aldrin "a coward, a liar, and a thief".

See what's linked?

 

[Ladewig]

So there are really people out there that really no joke for real believe the earth is only around 6000 years old?

The percentage of adult Americans that believe "God created humans pretty much in their present form within the last 10,000 years" has hovered around 45% for well over a decade (see footnote). One has to be careful not to conflate that fugure with young-earth creationists (YEC) because there are some old-earth creationists that believe mankind was created recently (JWs for instance).

__________
The three options presented to people were:
1) humans evolved with no guidance from God,
2) humans evolved with God's guidance, and
3) God created humans pretty much in their present form within the last 10,000 years

 

[Soapy Sam]

Gods.
Moorbath and Runcorn. Growth rings in Devonian Corals . Q.J Geol.- about 1970?

Stretching the old brain here.

Angular momentum shoves planets and moons apart. The effects are (let me think...some bugger at Oxford in the 17th century..Newman? Newtown? Something like that... non linear. I seem to recall an inverse square effect...)

Banded ironstones. Stromatolites. Tidal ranges in the late precambrian were not huge. Wherever the hell the Moon was, it wasn't orbiting 300 feet above mean sea level.

Things change over time. This apparently comes as a surprise to some.

I guess tidal locking must be impossible, because god doesn't mention it in Genesis.
Bugger.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

How brave you are over the internet. If you were as rude and insulting in person as you are online you would probably have an indefinitely sore nose or busted jaw.

Please refrain from any implication of violence towards other forum members, else you find yourself no longer allowed to post here.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

This is a misunderstanding. I never said I would commit any violence nor that I wished that any violence would befall that poster. I was stating that if they were as rude in person as they are online then they would probably be punched. Not by me, but by people who resort to violence from that sort of thing.

I made it clear that I would never use violence simply due to someones rudeness or insults and that I never wished violence towards that poster.

See these posts for proof.

Here

Here

and here

I humbly ask you retract your warning.


BTW, If making a causal inference that someone doing something would lead to violence in some situations (situations that don't involve the one making the inference i.e. Me) is against the rules then you should have a lot of warnings to issue in this thread.

 

[Beleth]

This is a misunderstanding. I never said I would commit any violence nor that I wished that any violence would befall that poster.

Nor did the warning say you did.

I was stating that if they were as rude in person as they are online then they would probably be punched.

So you admit you implied violence, then. Case closed.

 

[skeptifem]

im actually with dustin on this one (the violence thing). this really doesnt seem like any rule violation to me. but whatever this is more of a line of discussion for the forum management section.

 

[Alareth]

Deleted, I answered my own question.

 

[Ladewig]

im actually with dustin on this one (the violence thing). this really doesnt seem like any rule violation to me.

I agree.

 

[Complexity]

In 2002 when Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel in the face for calling him "a coward, a liar, and a thief". Sibrel was in his face and Buzz Aldrin considered him a threat to both him and the lady he was with and then subsequently knocked him in the face. The Beverly Hills police and the city's prosecutor refused to file charges.

You aren't Buzz Aldrin.