A question for old earth believers

ponderingturtle said:
It is the internet it is always safe to bet on someone being pedantic.
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Where would we be, otherwise? Not at a post count past 1000.

Perhaps nitpicking is pedantry for the sake of pedantry. Or it may be that it is encompassed within the sole use of the word. Afterall, if the inappropriate nature was not implied, then pedantry would be something like "scholarship" or "detailed analysis".

Linda
 
Hello, I am an old earth believer. I believe the earth is actually 4.83 billion years old, and not amount of science or evidence will free me from this belief.
 
I actually believe that the earth was created two weeks ago. Because god is one mischievous mother, he created memories and "scientific evidence" contrary to this. Don't fall for it. My personal beliefs have presidence over any thoughts or personal beliefs anyone else might have. My manifesto will be forthcoming although it will probably only take me like 20 minutes or so to type. Don't worry, though; I came to these conclusions after several days of serious thought and half-reading a book on creation science.

Wait...why isn't anyone taking me seriously?
 
xingyifa said:
I actually believe that the earth was created two weeks ago. Because god is one mischievous mother, he created memories and "scientific evidence" contrary to this. Don't fall for it. My personal beliefs have presidence over any thoughts or personal beliefs anyone else might have. My manifesto will be forthcoming although it will probably only take me like 20 minutes or so to type. Don't worry, though; I came to these conclusions after several days of serious thought and half-reading a book on creation science.

Wait...why isn't anyone taking me seriously?
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HEATHEN!!!!! :mad:

It was created at 4:52pm last Tuesday!! ;)
 
I'm a future Earth believer. I think all this reality is really just the formation of past memories for people that will be created in four thousand years.
 
You guys! You can't really dislike the New Earth with one-third more peanuts and a chewy nougat filling. Much better than the creme filling of the Old Earth. :boggled:
 
strathmeyer said:
I'm a future Earth believer. I think all this reality is really just the formation of past memories for people that will be created in four thousand years.
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That I don't accept.

"Cogito ergo sum"

You are all features of my imagination though. And I was created just now.
 
One of the more novel and schizophrenic claims I've heard a Creationist make was a guy who claimed that the earth was 4.5 billion years old and created 6,000 years ago. He couldn't see the logical contridiction in it being created recent to be old. He also couldn't seem to understand the most important factor in the discussion - it's not the appearance of age that is problematic for YECers, it's the appearance of history.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
One of the more novel and schizophrenic claims I've heard a Creationist make was a guy who claimed that the earth was 4.5 billion years old and created 6,000 years ago. He couldn't see the logical contridiction in it being created recent to be old. He also couldn't seem to understand the most important factor in the discussion - it's not the appearance of age that is problematic for YECers, it's the appearance of history.
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Actually, I think this is the only logically sound argument for YEC that exists: God created Earth as it is, old appearance, history and all, 6,000 years ago. Fine! Since God is onmipotent, that must be something it can do.

There is a slight problem, however. Quite apart from the fact that this would make God the biggest liar in all creation, the explanation fits ANY creation account. I can equally well say that God created the universe yesterday afternoon at 3:14 PM, complete with fossil record, bibles, us, our memories, etc. That makes just as much (or as little) sense.

Hans

ETA: Oh, I see this has already been covered. Don't mind me, I tend not to read threads like this in their entirety.
 
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Omphalos is the only logically consistent position for YECs to take (those who claim the Earty really only is 6,000 years old and we're just incorrectly "interpreting" it to be older are engaging in completely illogical post-modernism) but it's not theologically consistent as you noted.

What made this guy so crazy is that he claimed the Earth was 4.5 billion years old and was created 6,000 years ago. It doesn't just appear as old as it seems, it is as old as it seems, but it was only made 60 centuries ago.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
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What made this guy so crazy is that he claimed the Earth was 4.5 billion years old and was created 6,000 years ago. It doesn't just appear as old as it seems, it is as old as it seems, but it was only made 60 centuries ago.
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That does sound crazy, but isn't it just a somewhat clumsy way of saying that God created it with an age? I have met several YECs claim that.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
That does sound crazy, but isn't it just a somewhat clumsy way of saying that God created it with an age? I have met several YECs claim that.
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It's a tad different because that takes it from merely theologically illogical, hell my dad suggested to me the Omphalos argument and he was a career Air Force meteorologist, to crazy is that he's suggesting that things don't appear to be created last Tuesday, they really were created last Tuesday but everything we could test about "it" would show it created billions of years ago because it was created billions of years ago... just last Tuesday.

As you noted and I tried to point out repeatedly before I put him on ignore, the real problem isn't the appearance of age, but of history and that gets back to the theological cunondrum of Omphalos. If a deity supposedly doesn't lie then even if it makes an Earth that is 4.5 billion years old... in appearance... but only is 6,000 years old... why would there be evidence of meteor/asteroid strikes occuring 150 million years ago (which never did), numerous extinctions that happened (which never did), varves, chalk desposits, etc. etc. which never happned?

I really can't do justice to how post-modern and insane this guy was without quoting some of his greatest hits, but I've had him in iggy in CF for so long I doubt many of them would show up in a forum search.
 
Didn't Slartibardfast help build the earth for some mice from a higher dimension ?
 
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