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A question for Jedi Knight

Megalodon said:

And even if we agree that the percentage of abuse is probably similar in both genders, you must also agree that violence perpetrated by a man on a woman has normally more serious consequences than the opposite

Trying to explain differences and ranting off too sorry:(
Actually I will disagree here in a manner of speaking. Some women can be just as if not more violent when attacking their partners and I am not just saying male partners either, the end game is the same, Saying it is worse for a woman on the receiving end of a males anger is incorrect(see below *). There isn't enough support for battered males and yes I agree the stereotypical biased view doesn't help matters, which is probably why many more battered men do not come forward and report what is happening to them. Fear of ridicule that a supposed believed weak female(in a hetero-sexual relationship presumption, in the same sex relationship even less report it)could beat up this strong male stereotypical image. The stereotyping has to stop, and anybody regardless of sex should come forward and report being abused.

Stereotyping at birth is to blame not feminists view however extreme they are. Plus an acknowledgment that women are as strong and violent as men would be advantageous in helping bring it out into the open and hopefully lead to it being acknowledge and appropriate help for all battered people is equally ensured.

I would love to do the genetics on some of these perpetrators and victims just to see if the hormones namely testosterone and oestrogen play apart in influencing their behavior.

*My best friend he is 6'2 built like a brick ◊◊◊◊ house(works as a bouncer in the club and has martial art training) his wife is 4'11 and built like a twig, she beats him up and she is a really nasty piece of work she has broken bones, caused some very serious internal injuries etc the mental ones often cause more harm than the physical kind( i know I was subjected to both continuously and still do now if he feels like it, amI victim in some eyes yes in my eyes no I am an idiot). I asked him once when she hospitalized him again, why did he stay as she will end up killing him sooner or later. He looked at me and said same reason you stayed with yours so long. He reported her to the police to force her to seek help, the police laughed and told him to put her in her place:eek: Great male advise that is isn't it? Now he doesn't report it, he says not worth giving them a good laugh for. (she is getting help with her violence and she admits she has a problem which is more than most other perpetrators ever do, my ex never has admitted or accepted he was wrong to hit me or the reasons he used were pathetic, it was my fault and still is when he decides I need a lesson and he needs the exercise.:(


Only those who have or are in this violent/mental circle know truly what it feels like, those who sit on the sideline making up lame excuses and blaming everything else than the person regardless of gender in my eyes are just as bad as the perpetrator of the abuse itself.



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I would also so say this to all those who sit on their white picket fences going oh she plays the victim I have no respect for you now ever then blah blah etc.:mad: I do not seek respect from anybody I never have an never will, I value people and if people value me that's their prerogative to do so and they get thanked for it because despite my so called idiotic worthless life I appreciate and still remain warm and open to people. It makes no odds to me at all, I was alone and I mean alone during my marriage, respect didn't come into it then and sure as hell doesn't bother me now. I hope you NEVER have to have go through what I did, having your entire identity, soul and what makes you who you are, ripped apart abused, beaten to a pulp and crushed until all that is left is a empty terrified shell. You don't know what it is like to loose your self esteem to live in terror while putting on a false happy mask to the outside world showing all that you're a happy content person whose madly in love with her wonderful warm adoring husband as he is with you, hiding the fact your shaking with fear knowing the slightest look he gives you means you made a mistake and your payment is coming painfully later, knowing also once the doors and the people are gone the black cold lays there waiting again for you. So don't bother knocking me down because I am a victim I didn't ask for it I was forced to have it, Plus he did and still does occasionally when he can get his kicks, do a far better job of it than you could ever do and in my eyes you're just the same as him, a waste of air. Also I can do a better job or ruining myself down than any of you could even think of. I am not a victim I am a human being trying to slowly rebuild her life back every small step of the way. You can knocked me for bad spelling grammar blah blah all you like, the end of the day I wasn't allowed for 13 years to write let alone speak to anybody, I ask anybody after all that you come out of that level of subjecting of abuse with a high level of eduction, grammar doesn't put food on the table money does, a cuddle solves a child's pain not spellings. A simple life philosophy I follow, so bite me for following it and not being all snobby with writing.:(
 
I see that JK is still playing the village idiot. Benighted is a great descriptive term but perhaps vacuum truly describes the state of his mind.

I'm glad that he fully supports Germany and France though. Light can pass through a vacuum from time to time.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
I see that JK is still playing the village idiot. Benighted is a great descriptive term but perhaps vacuum truly describes the state of his mind.

I'm glad that he fully supports Germany and France though. Light can pass through a vacuum from time to time.


What has France and Germany got to do with battered people?
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
I see that JK is still playing the village idiot. Benighted is a great descriptive term but perhaps vacuum truly describes the state of his mind.

I'm glad that he fully supports Germany and France though. Light can pass through a vacuum from time to time.

I think you need some "Hooked on Phonics" to get your reading comprehension skills fixed.

JK
 
You going to answer the questions JK and that is just not applicable to mine or continue to sulk still?
:p
 
Typical patriarchal wimpish cop out reaction then JK. Just run, hide and sulk down the pub instead of discussing it.

Thought you would be more than that.:(




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Please will some of you I know you have your own reasons and that it is your own views, I accept that, but please stop telling me what a bad troll JK is, for one I have not had a lovers tiff with him:eek: I certainly don't recall having tiff with him yet, he'll know if I do.

Far as I am concerned I may disagree with JK on battered people in some aspects and his matriarchal doo dah fits plus some other things he bamboozles me with, but I still put him in a friend category(whether he likes it or not or class me the same I don't give a flying fig at the moment) and friends can disagree sometimes. When he isn't having a huge hissy strop he is ok. :D
 
Isn't it great news that Jedi Knight is supporting the sance of France and Germany in relation to the invasion of Iraq. He's seen some sense at long last. Congratulations Jedi. Welcome to the real world.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:


Nothing. Good luck.
Iraqi really hasn't got anything to do with it either.:(

And it is France Germany and Russia so don't heap the blame on just the French. And it is the the Governments that decides what it will and won't support not the public, they are token gesture polls mood indicators.


Thanks but I don't think luck comes into it, it is just polite and good mannered to respond to an already asked question is preferred
 
Wowza

Sorry I didn't check out this thread earlier. It is good to see this intelligent discussion.

I had an interesting thought:

What if JK actually is part of the matriarchal conspiracy? His(gender assumed) behavior could easily be explained, the pointless unsupported drivel is meant to give conservative mysoginists a bad name. JK is secretly a feminist trying to help the cause.

Maybe he deserves a gold star for valour in the face of sanity.

Peace
dancing david

PS To who all those who may wonder if men are victims of domestic violence, sure they are. Emotional abuse is always described as worse than physical violence. The reason that there are women's shelters and not men's shelter is that there are societal pressures which make it easier for men to leave than women.
 
Iraqi really hasn't got anything to do with it either.

And it is France Germany and Russia so don't heap the blame on just the French. And it is the the Governments that decides what it will and won't support not the public, they are token gesture polls mood indicators.


Thanks but I don't think luck comes into it, it is just polite and good mannered to respond to an already asked question is preferred.

Can I just point out that I was specifically responding to a comment made by Tricky earlier in the thread. Not all of us are able to debate in real or near real time. I know - I should have quoted the original comment. As I have heaped no blame on anyone I am unclear why you appear to imagine that I am heaping the blame on the French only given that I mentioned the French and the Germans. Also I am afraid I do not know what 'token gesture polls mood indicators' means. Just in case I was also unclear on that point can I just state that I support the French and German governments in their anti-war in Iraq stance because a large part of the world believes that no adequate case was made for the war on Iraq. I also believe that, given the polls of the French and German people, they support their governments position.

I am also somewhat confused what you mean by your last comment. I guess my meaning in saying good luck was unclear. As such I apologise. Herewith is my explanation.

You should know that you are trying to engage a member who is well known for having used sectarian, racist and homophobic comments. He is also prone to making false claims, a reluctance to justify his claims and illogicality on a scale difficult to comprehend or to find easily in the real world. I wish you good luck in trying to engage him in a meaningful debate as most people understand the term. Just about everyone else who has tried to do so has failed miserably. I hope you succeed but it doesn't look promising as usual.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
He is also prone to making false claims, a reluctance to justify his claims and illogicality on a scale difficult to comprehend or to find easily in the real world. I wish you good luck in trying to engage him in a meaningful debate as most people understand the term. Just about everyone else who has tried to do so has failed miserably. I hope you succeed but it doesn't look promising as usual.
:D Hope springs eternal.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:


He is also prone to making false claims, a reluctance to justify his claims and illogicality on a scale difficult to comprehend or to find easily in the real world. I wish you good luck in trying to engage him in a meaningful debate as most people understand the term. Just about everyone else who has tried to do so has failed miserably. I hope you succeed but it doesn't look promising as usual.

Well that’s the same definition we all get about AUP!

oops nevermind you where talking about JK.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
You should know that you are trying to engage a member who is well known for having used sectarian, racist and homophobic comments. He is also prone to making false claims, a reluctance to justify his claims and illogicality on a scale difficult to comprehend or to find easily in the real world. I wish you good luck in trying to engage him in a meaningful debate as most people understand the term. Just about everyone else who has tried to do so has failed miserably. I hope you succeed but it doesn't look promising as usual.

ok. It's easy to have a reasonable debate with Jk. all you have to do is tie him to a rack and talk him to death while wearing a matriarchal dominatrix leather all in one number, he is like butter in my leather clad hands.:D


He hasn't made any of those things to me, if he had it was lost on me I didn't notice.:p

Yes he can be arrogant but then so can most people and their opinions can be also be so far fetched you end up looking for their strait jackets.

Maybe it is me being too damn street savvy I see things in a different light, he never seems to be that bad as you lot make out, then nobody seems to me that bad either. He gets near the knuckle sometimes with me then thats because I have experienced it and its my gut reactions kicking in.

But hell isn't it beneficial to have people whose views are so far from your own that what makes for great debates?
 
Biker Babe said:
But hell isn't it beneficial to have people whose views are so far from your own that what makes for great debates?

The problem is a great debate is impossible if someone isn't willing to clarify what they have said, or will take advantage of an ambiguity to back away from something they clearly meant to be taken differently.

Or launch into a speech whenever asked a yes or no question instead of giving the answer.
 
originally posted by Biker Babe
But hell isn't it beneficial to have people whose views are so far from your own that what makes for great debates?

If he knew what a debate was then you would be right. Nevertheless I do admire your style and really wish you luck. It would be great to see a reprobate of JK's proportions actually engaging in a human level of constructive debate with someone else and it won't be any of the rest of us then I hope you achieve the miracle. Unfortunately as an ex-Christian I no longer have any faith in miracles but maybe they will work for you.

Good luck.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:


If he knew what a debate was then you would be right. Nevertheless I do admire your style and really wish you luck. It would be great to see a reprobate of JK's proportions actually engaging in a human level of constructive debate with someone else and it won't be any of the rest of us then I hope you achieve the miracle. Unfortunately as an ex-Christian I no longer have any faith in miracles but maybe they will work for you.

Good luck.

Why revive this thread it deserves to be buried.
 

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