A question for Jedi Knight

[Advocate]

"Beat each other up...." implies mutual combat. That is another delusion: that no one gets beat up without asking for it, or agreeing to engage in mutual combat.
And a delusion that each suffers injuries.
Delusions, pure and simple.

I don't think it is delusion at all. From my own experience, it is very easy to see what is going on and get worked up into a rage and say some very extreme and exaggerated things. Thats the good thing about this forum - you have time to calm down and create a more reasoned response. I am not sure why he doesn't take the time to calm down as I have, but I am fairly certain it is the same effect.

 

[Jedi Knight]

"Beat each other up...." implies mutual combat. That is another delusion: that no one gets beat up without asking for it, or agreeing to engage in mutual combat.
And a delusion that each suffers injuries.
Delusions, pure and simple.

Batter (in terms of women's reality in America)--1. Mixture of flour, milk, etc. For baking a cake.

Batter (in terms of men's reality in America as the true victims)--1. Strike Repeatedly 2. Injure by hard use (by women and the matriarchal terror apparatus).

JK

 

[Jedi Knight]

I notice that someone here has finally admitted to lying when he said that there are no "battered" women:



Your thoughts on matriarchal cultural terror would be better served if you didn't toss falsehoods at the very people you are trying to explain them to.

There are no battered women. You need to check your reading comprehension skills.

JK

 

[Jedi Knight]

Hans

You and Q will look good together. A little breeding and you will have a mini-proletariat.

JK

 

[Tricky]

There are no battered women.

Definately benighted

 

[celter]

The statement that there are no battered women is, of course, absurd. However the suggestion that men and women don't, "...beat each other up", is almost equally absurd, as is any attempt to suggest that women are always passive victims when domestic violence occurs. The mutual nature of domestic violence is well documented. Researchers Richard Gelles, Murray Straus and Susan Steinmetz have confirmed it repeatedly.

Also, Cal State Long Beach professor Martin Fiebert summarized 111 different studies with over 77,000 respondents and reported that women initiated domestic violence nearly as often as men.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Professor John Archer of the University of Central Lancashire analysed 17 international studies published over the last 20 years. He reports that although women are more likely to be injured as a result of domestic violence, men were equally likely to be victims of less violent forms of abuse, which constitute the overwhelming majority of cases.
(John Archer. Sex Differences in Aggression between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review. Psychological Bulletin Vol. 126, pp. 651-680, 2000)

And according to the U.S. Department of Justice it is women who are the perpetrators in the majority of cases of child abuse, and parental murder, arguably the most severe forms of domestic violence. Mothers commit more than 60 percent of confirmed cases of child abuse and 65 percent of parental murders of children.
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/publications/ncands97/s7.htm

Also, I see that when people debate here, they often point to other positions their opponent has taken in the past that they claim have been shown to be wrong. They suggest that this is evidence that he must be wrong this time too. It's no such thing.

 

[Megalodon]

Also, I see that when people debate here, they often point to other positions their opponent has taken in the past that they claim have been shown to be wrong. They suggest that this is evidence that he must be wrong this time too. It's no such thing.

Thanks for the links

The claim here was that JK was wrong again, and not that he was wrong because of is past (and vast) absurd positions. And he was indeed wrong, since he claimed there is no battered women in the US.

And even if we agree that the percentage of abuse is probably similar in both genders, you must also agree that violence perpretated by a man on a woman has normally more serious consequences than the opposite

Cheers

 

[Advocate]

And even if we agree that the percentage of abuse is probably similar in both genders, you must also agree that violence perpretated by a man on a woman has normally more serious consequences than the opposite

Only if you only count the purely physical consequences. If you factor in the psychological consequences then I think you would have to come to the reverse conclusion since there exist social support structures for abused women, but abused men have no such support and in addition have the fear of being accused as the abuser even when the victim.

 

[gnome]

Also, I see that when people debate here, they often point to other positions their opponent has taken in the past that they claim have been shown to be wrong. They suggest that this is evidence that he must be wrong this time too. It's no such thing.

It isn't evidence that they are wrong, but it is evidence that their general ability to distinguish fact from fiction may be suspect. Or evidence of their willingness to say things that they know to be untrue.

(or to backpedal by equivocating on the definition of a term, when the usage in question was clearly stated multiple times).

 

[Bjorn]

- The human race originates on Mars.


Hans

Did you see the Onion this week?

http://www.theonion.com/onion3913/mean_scientists.html

 

[peptoabysmal]

"The weakness of men is the facade of strength;
the strength of women is the facade of weakness."
Warren Farrell

I can't back up JK's claim, ... being that it's absurd.

However, I will go as far as to say that *some* women have gained incredible power over the lives of others by playing the victim.

My beef is not with the feminazii anyway .
... It's with the "politically correct" fascists who think they have a right to tell everyone else how they should think and feel.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Also, I see that when people debate here, they often point to other positions their opponent has taken in the past that they claim have been shown to be wrong. They suggest that this is evidence that he must be wrong this time too. It's no such thing.

Ideally, you are right, of course. However, I think it is reasonable to look at the overall credibility of people and sources. For instance, most would not be indifferent about whether some news item came from Reuthers or from Fox News.

Likewise, if some poster has repeatedly posted totally unfounded claims in the past, it does change the way you view that person's future postings.

So I find it is relevant to point out that Jedi Knight has a consistent record of being a provocateur with no intellectual honesty, even though that does not neccessarily mean that everything he says is wrong.

Hans

 

[Megalodon]

Only if you only count the purely physical consequences.

I thought that was the meaning of battered, to be physically attacked.
I agree that there should be support centers for abused husbands, and that there is a societal bias against men in this matter. But that doesn't mean that there are no battered women, and that are no more women than men who end up in the ER due to marital violence

 

[Advocate]

I thought that was the meaning of battered, to be physically attacked.

Battery is a physical act but not all of its consequences are physical.

I agree that there should be support centers for abused husbands, and that there is a societal bias against men in this matter. But that doesn't mean that there are no battered women, and that are no more women than men who end up in the ER due to marital violence

I am not JK. I never said there were NO battered women. What I was objecting to was the fact that the psychological aspects were being completely ignored. I do not know your intent in doing so, but this approach contributes to the popular stereotype that men are always the one in the wrong. This view is itself a part of the problem.

 

[subgenius]

Battery is a physical act but not all of its consequences are physical.

I am not JK. I never said there were NO battered women. What I was objecting to was the fact that the psychological aspects were being completely ignored. I do not know your intent in doing so, but this approach contributes to the popular stereotype that men are always the one in the wrong. This view is itself a part of the problem.

No one was ignoring anything. This is all in response to an irresponsible blanket false statement.

 

[Megalodon]

I am not JK. I never said there were NO battered women. What I was objecting to was the fact that the psychological aspects were being completely ignored. I do not know your intent in doing so, but this approach contributes to the popular stereotype that men are always the one in the wrong. This view is itself a part of the problem.

I'm not ignorant of the psychological traumas that may be associated to physical abuse. However, my only input to the discussion was meant to give JK another spoonfull of reality (which he desperatly needs), not to discuss the dynamics of intermarital abuse.

We can, if you want, but I suspect we would be agreeing an awful lot.

Cheers

 

[Advocate]

OK. Perhaps I have been a bit too sensitive on this subject. I agree that JK was wrong and that was the original idea behind this thread. Sub is correct in calling it an "irresponsible blanket false statement." I would say that very few such broad statements are true. I was just pointing out that the broader issue is not so one-sided. I certainly did not mean to imply that the existence of one problem implies the non-existence of another. In fact, I was saying the reverse. I am sorry I did not make myself more clear on this point.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Re: JUST ANSWER THE D*MN QUESTION

Let's look at every feminist lie then, BB. Let's put all the feminist lies on the table and then debate them one by one.

JK

Go for it then JK, one on one.

Just remember not all women are total matriarchal feminatzi do dars.

 

[Guest]

BB: Easy, kid! Don't let JK make you angry, that's what he is after. He will say anything to piss somebody off.

Remember, the statement comes from the same person who claimed:

- Atheists are hard-wired to call for God just before they die.

- Gravity is generated only by stars.

- Volkswagen was constructed by Chrysler.

- Moslem countries are secular atheists states.

- The human race originates on Mars.

- Jedi Knight is a genius.

- - and more of the same.



Hans

Hans hey kid? Well you just made my day brighter even if it is snowing thanks

VW's made by Chrysler? You're joking lol
Jk a genius Oh come on now don't be hard to hard on him, we are all geniuses some more than others. He can also be a really great fun and friendly sometimes, but then he has his attack of PMT and we get the dark-side coming out again, Please donate all choccy to JK during PMT week

Actually so you all know his email address is
I_luv_all_feminatzi@mother_knows_best.comi



See Darthvader avatar again he also has a coldsore hence that avatar

 

[Guest]

There are no battered women. You need to check your reading comprehension skills.

JK

What was I then JK? A bowl of cornflakes?


Men, women & children of both sexes can and some are battered, or are you going to say only male children are battered?

It is not down to feminists views blah blah, and not all females have or hold such extreme views either so why are you tarring all of us females with the same blinkered view brush?

Come on down off the monkey tree. There are some times I am sorely tempted to bend you over my knee and spank some sense into you, but then I remember that little husky voice going, 'men are the only victims' and it stops me, that and the distance between us.

Or are you saying every female including me is a matriarchal blah blah?