A note on Evolution

[Tricky]

The mind is an environment unto itself. So how do you know that the mind is not in fact tricking us, Tricky, into thinking what we see is real? And how do you know you're not just a legend in your own mind?

That's so heavy!, dude. Wow! Let me have a couple of bong hits to ponder that!

No, seriously, Iacchus. When you lean towards sun worship, you reveal the essential basis in mythology that all religions base themselves on. The myths get more complex as new questions are asked. Prehistoric sun-worshippers may not have cared where the world came from, but just who was going to make sure their crops came in.

As new questions were asked, the mythology became more complex. Now we have to know where life came from. Now we have to know why people "sin". New myths had to be created to explain these things. In fact, our need to explain finally became so great that we had to have evidence for our myths. Ah, the Age of Reason.

Yet, the urge to turn back to the easy, obvious, primative Sun God is strong. Many Pagans yielded to that atavistic urge. Apparently some Christians too.

 

[Iacchus]

That's so heavy!, dude. Wow! Let me have a couple of bong hits to ponder that!

No, seriously, Iacchus. When you lean towards sun worship, you reveal the essential basis in mythology that all religions base themselves on. The myths get more complex as new questions are asked. Prehistoric sun-worshippers may not have cared where the world came from, but just who was going to make sure their crops came in.

As new questions were asked, the mythology became more complex. Now we have to know where life came from. Now we have to know why people "sin". New myths had to be created to explain these things. In fact, our need to explain finally became so great that we had to have evidence for our myths. Ah, the Age of Reason.

Yet, the urge to turn back to the easy, obvious, primative Sun God is strong. Many Pagans yielded to that atavistic urge. Apparently some Christians too.

No, what you're referring to here is idolatry. Do you know why? Because whenever you set up anything physically in the place of God, be it the sun, a stature or, a far off mountain top, then it only encourages people to bring God down to their level, and not worship God for what He truly is, as a Spirit. By the way, did you know that there's also a Sun in Heaven?

Also, did you know that the Age of Reason corresponds to the advent of Spiritual Bridegroom, at which point the Book of Revelation was actually fulfilled? (instead of some imaginary date in the future).

 

[Doctor X]

"Idolatry" refers to the worship of graven-formed images of a deity . . . like idols . . . why it is called "idolatry."

Satan: So you'd like to be articulate?

Stanley: Yeah! Yeah!

Satan: And be able to use words like "articulate?"

--J. "I'm Bedazzled!" D.

 

[Tricky]

No, what you're referring to here is idolatry. Do you know why? Because whenever you set up anything physically in the place of God, be it the sun, a stature or, a far off mountain top, then it only encourages people to bring God down to their level, and not worship God for what He truly is, as a Spirit.

Well I quite agree. So I think we should tear down all the cathedrals, or at least convert them to shelters for the homelses.

Be sensible, Iacchus. How long do you think the church would last without idolatry? It is the pomp and ceremony that attracts people to the church. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are not mainstream at all. However, if you want to tell all those Christians that their way of worshipping is wrong, be my guest. But you had better make dang sure that you use no visual aids at all in your presentation. No altar. No cross. That's idolatry.

By the way, did you know that there's also a Sun in Heaven?

Of course I don't know, and neither do you. Not one living person knows what heaven is like (or indeed, if it exists). But tell me, how does a very physical sun interact with a purely spiritual realm? Or is it a "spiritual sun" too?

You're sending out mixed messages here? Is God a spirit, or is He physical?

Also, did you know that the Age of Reason corresponds to the advent of Spiritual Bridegroom, at which point the Book of Revelation was actually fulfilled? (instead of some imaginary date in the future).

I have no idea what you're talking about, and your links did nothing to clarify it. Why don't you paraphrase for us. Does this mean the rapture occurred back during the Age of Reason? You're going to disappoint a lot of Christians if you tell them that. They are planning a big party, I understand...

 

[Iacchus]

Hi Tricky,

Just let you know (or, anyone else), I've started a new thread called Is Sun Worship Idolatry? Please feel free to repost this there, Okay? Thanks!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mmm, why is this interesting? Anybody know any sun worshippers? If yes, do said sun worshippers give a d*mn what you call it?

Hans

 

[Tricky]

Mmm, why is this interesting? Anybody know any sun worshippers? If yes, do said sun worshippers give a d*mn what you call it?

Many of my Pagan friends include the sun (and the moon) in their pantheon, and yes they have names for it like Lugh or Lleu, though it varies from group to group.

According to most pagans, the sun is male and the moon is female, though they go a bit fuzzy when asked why celestial bodies require sex.

 

[Dancing David]

I am more of the feamale sun and lunar moon myself. Pagan beliefs are a mish mash at best.

 

[Iacchus]

Mmm, why is this interesting? Anybody know any sun worshippers? If yes, do said sun worshippers give a d*mn what you call it?

Hans

How about photosynthesis?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

How about photosynthesis?

What about it? I wouldn't hardly call converting the sun's energy into something required by plants "sun worship". That would be like calling solar powered cars sunworshippers. Unless that is not what you meant.

 

[Iacchus]

What about it? I wouldn't hardly call converting the sun's energy into something required by plants "sun worship". That would be like calling solar powered cars sunworshippers. Unless that is not what you meant.

It alludes to the idea nonetheless. Hence I'm suggesting that plants relate to the sun, in the way humans relate to God if, in fact there were one.

 

[Darat]

It alludes to the idea nonetheless. Hence I'm suggesting that plants relate to the sun, in the way humans relate to God if, in fact there were one.

Sorry have no idea what relationship you are referring to.

Can you be explicit?

 

[Iacchus]

Sorry have no idea what relationship you are referring to.

Can you be explicit?

You know, like the effect the Creator has on that which is created? In other words as the source or, origin of its existence.

 

[Darat]

You know, like the effect the Creator has on that which is created? In other words as the source or, origin of its existence.

Doesn’t help me at all.

Please just consider me very stupid and slow on the uptake and spell it out very carefully in simple language. - Thanks

 

[Iacchus]

Doesn’t help me at all.

Please just consider me very stupid and slow on the uptake and spell it out very carefully in simple language. - Thanks

Actually what's more important here is what do you think it means? So, whether I can spell it out for you or not is really not the point. Because ultimately it's up to you to decide.

 

[Darat]

Actually what's more important here is what do you think it means? So, whether I can spell it out for you or not is really not the point. Because ultimately it's up to you to decide.

Sorry I don't understand what you mean.

Could you please try to explain it to me again? - Thanks

 

[Dancing David]

Iachuss, your anthropomorphism is showing.

What if photo synthesis hurts and plants hate it?

Is god manure that feeds the plants?

 

[Iacchus]

Sorry I don't understand what you mean.

Could you please try to explain it to me again? - Thanks

Sorry, you're either totally stupid like you claim or, you're just playing games. Either way I don't think there's much I could do to help -- Thanks!

P.S. Nobody's accusing you of being stupid.

 

[Darat]

Sorry, you're either totally stupid like you claim or, you're just playing games. Either way I don't think there's much I could do to help -- Thanks!

P.S. And nobody's accusing you of being stupid.

I am not playing games. I am finding it very hard to understand what you mean.

The post above is very clear and I can understand that, if you could use that style to explain this photosynthesis/sun/go/created/creator concept it would help me.

 

[Iacchus]

I am not playing games. I am finding it very hard to understand what you mean.

The post above is very clear and I can understand that, if you could use that style to explain this photosynthesis/sun/go/created/creator concept it would help me.

Please refer to this link on the Sun in Heaven.