A note on Evolution

[sackett]

Blame it on Iackass

1. . . .you've totally missed the point of this thread.

2. Fundies' beliefs evolve over time, through a process of natural selection. Evidence? How many fundies do you know today who thought the world was flat? . . . .

3. We'll always need someone to flip burgers or to take out the trash.

1. Point? I don' need no steeking point, esp. when I already agree with it. I was taking off from Yackatus's attempt to reintroduce sun worship. (Odd, that. Some early Christian converts identified God with the sun, and actually included sun-worship practices in their services.)

2. Evolve? Or just change randomly, i.e., through genetic drift? And I suspect that a few sweating, screeching TV preachers could re-start belief in a flat earth if they saw money in it. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE ABJECT CREDULITY OF THE FUNDAMENTS!

3. Scrib, you know perfectly well that flipping burgers and hauling trash are skilled jobs. We can't, we musn't, entrust such vital tasks to people who can't tell the difference between a Bronze Age bedtime story and objective reality.

 

[Iacchus]

Sorry to bring the pesky blighters up again but bacteria have much more the world under "subjugation" then humans do. Even using your definition of "advanced" we are beaten by little critters that you and I can't even see with our own eyes.

Sort of like comparing all the buggers who live in grass huts -- and the ancient world used to abound with them -- with the Taj Mahal, right?

 

[Darat]

Sort of like comparing all the buggers who live in grass huts -- and the ancient world used to abound with them -- with the Taj Mahal, right?

No idea what you mean.

 

[Donks]

Sort of like comparing all the buggers who live in grass huts -- and the ancient world used to abound with them -- with the Taj Mahal, right?

How is that the same? You seem to think the point of evolution is to be complex and "advanced". It''s not. Being complex and advanced is one of many strategies that exist in nature. A different, and so far as successful, if not more, is being simple and breeding like crazy, having thousands or millions of offspring.

 

[hammegk]

3. Scrib, you know perfectly well that flipping burgers and hauling trash are skilled jobs. We can't, we musn't, entrust such vital tasks to people who can't tell the difference between a Bronze Age bedtime story and objective reality.

The people I've seen flipping burgers sure don't act like fundamentalist monotheists. Their ranks appear to be way overpopulated by actual (rather than theoretical) secular humanists.

Do you have something against garbage men? If everyone was a pc'lib intellectual, the trash would pile up while ya'all "studied" the problem.

 

[Upchurch]

The people I've seen flipping burgers sure don't act like fundamentalist monotheists. Their ranks appear to be way overpopulated by actual (rather than theoretical) secular humanists.

How do you visually identify secular humanists. Fundamentalist monotheists might be identifiable by the symbols they wear (crosses, Stars of David, etc.), but secular humanists?

 

[Iacchus]

Re: Blame it on Iackass

1. Point? I don' need no steeking point, esp. when I already agree with it. I was taking off from Yackatus's attempt to reintroduce sun worship. (Odd, that. Some early Christian converts identified God with the sun, and actually included sun-worship practices in their services.)

This just begs the question now doesn't it?

 

[Checkmite]

Hmm. Yeah, life may be evolving like crazy in deep space (fueled by zero-point energy and the few non-virtual photons that would be available ).

No, but life thrives in the deep oceanic trenches and abyssal plains, where not a single photon from the sun (virtual or non-virtual) penetrates, and where the pressure would reduce most of us to jelly.

 

[hammegk]

How do you visually identify secular humanists.

Good question. At the moment, evidence strictly anecdotal.

Fundamentalist monotheists might be identifiable by the symbols they wear (crosses, Stars of David, etc.), but secular humanists?

Have you seen any crosses on display on the help in those places? Assistant Mgrs., maybe; graduating from high skool would help some I'd think. Actually learning something in a private (often religious) school should also be a help.

Ummm, yeah, I just bet you see a bunch of Jewish teens flipping burgers when they could be studying and learning how to advance in the world.


BTW, you forgot to ask scrib et al if all those crosses & stars were what tipped him off they were mostly fundies.

 

[jimlintott]

Iacchus has absolutely no desire to understand evolution. He is perfectly content to fantasize his own reality and through the manipulation of language make it seem true.

 

[hammegk]

No, but life thrives in the deep oceanic trenches and abyssal plains, where not a single photon from the sun (virtual or non-virtual) penetrates, and where the pressure would reduce most of us to jelly.

Energy gradients are the key. A lifeform itself is a bunch of energy gradients.

All our interactions (gravity remains a poser, and we don't actually interact at a sub-atomic level) with the objective world of perception are mediated by photons.


Our sun has zip to do with that fact.

 

[Darat]

Energy gradients are the key. A lifeform itself is a bunch of energy gradients.

All our interactions (gravity remains a poser, and we don't actually interact at a sub-atomic level) with the objective world of perception are mediated by photons.


Our sun has zip to do with that fact.

Are you feeling OK hammegk?

 

[sackett]

Iack Iack Iack

. . . . the manipulation of language . . . .

There we differ. Iackass uses language so incompetently that we must constantly guess at his meaning. Note Darat's baffled "No idea what you mean." Darat is NOT alone.

 

[Dancing David]

Sort of like comparing all the buggers who live in grass huts -- and the ancient world used to abound with them -- with the Taj Mahal, right?

That right there went whoosh past you Iachuss, the bacteria re not little grass huts, they too are taj mahals. bacteria are very 'advanced' and very succcesful.

 

[Dymanic]

Originally posted by Iacchus

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It is an error of thought to think that organisms directly adapt to the enviroment.
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However, I'm not sure this is entirely untrue either, because I was just reading somewhere that under severe conditions (environmental stress) animals will begin to undergo hormonal changes and begin to adapt to the harsher conditions at that point. Of course whether this is something which is passed on through the genes or not I don't know?

Perhaps you were thinking of heat shock genes, which influence the expression of other genes under extremes of temperature.

http://www.hhmi.org/news/lindquist.html

 

[hammegk]

Are you feeling OK hammegk?

Why yes. Do you have an actual question? Do you disagree with my statement?

And yeah, re: The sun & zip to do with QED; obviously for Terra Sol is currently the main energy source.

 

[Darat]

Why yes. Do you have an actual question? Do you disagree with my statement?

And yeah, re: The sun & zip to do with QED; obviously for Terra Sol is currently the main energy source.

It was just you were so clear and I agreed with what you said - so I assumed one of us was suffering from heatstroke or something.

 

[jimlintott]

There we differ. Iackass uses language so incompetently that we must constantly guess at his meaning. Note Darat's baffled "No idea what you mean." Darat is NOT alone.

Heh, heh. That is very true. He does manipulate it for his own means and to that end he only fools himself.

 

[Tricky]

Re: Re: Blame it on Iackass

1. Point? I don' need no steeking point, esp. when I already agree with it. I was taking off from Yackatus's attempt to reintroduce sun worship. (Odd, that. Some early Christian converts identified God with the sun, and actually included sun-worship practices in their services.)

This just begs the question now doesn't it?

The question it begs is, "How is Christianity any different from the primative fables invented by prehistoric man to explain the unknowable?"

And of course the answer is

"Christians have put in additional fables."

 

[Iacchus]

The question it begs is, "How is Christianity any different from the primative fables invented by prehistoric man to explain the unknowable?"

And of course the answer is

"Christians have put in additional fables."

The mind is an environment unto itself. So how do you know that the mind is not in fact tricking us, Tricky, into thinking what we see is real? And how do you know you're not just a legend in your own mind?