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9/11 Truth: 'Hollywood' Speaks Out

There's only one rock group I'm aware of that actually endorses several conspiracy theories, including 9/11 truth: hed p.e.

I hear their music regularly on the Octane channel on Sirius XM, but hadn't really heard they endorsed conspiracies until one of the DJ's mentioned it one morning as apparently being on their website. I was immediately disgusted, but since I don't own any of their albums and in fact only have one song of theirs on my iPod (Bartender), I figured it wasn't any skin off of my nose. I have to admit I'm surprised they weren't mentioned in that list in Orphia's OP though.

Here's the band's lead singer talking about that sort of thing:



Their latest album is going to be called Truth Rising, and features such gems as "The Capitalist Conspiracy", "Takeover", "Stand Up" (which, incidentally features a cameo by a member of a band I actually LIKE, Sevendust; I hope this doesn't mean he's on the bandwagon), "Murder", and "No More Secrets". I've never been one to blame the music kids listen to for the violence some of them perpetrate, but I have to wonder exactly what message these guys are trying to convey with song titles like that; one hopes it's not the way it looks on the surface; i.e. advocating a government takeover and potentially murdering the people they think are "in on it", but without seeing the lyrics I couldn't say.
 
George Carlin?!?!?

I'm sorry...I can't imagine him being lumped into this group of morons. He was way too smart for 9/11 nonsense.

Say it ain't so!
 
Walter I'm sorry but that video doesn't do much to make me think he's opposed to 9/11 truth. Honestly he seems to be a bit in favor of it. And believe me it hurts me like you don't know to think that George would be a truther. But he never trusted a word the government said.

I think 9/11 truth never really made it to his radar and if he spent 5 minutes looking into it he'd see how ridiculous they all are. But he's gone now and either we'll never know or something more conclusive will turn up.

Also I see my man Joe Rogan made the list. He's a brilliant comedian, I even got to see him live 2 weeks ago and he was keel-over funny. And incredibly smart. BUT very prone to woo. He's been on Alex Jones show. He's to blame for me questioning the pyramids. Funny, funny, funny guy but he has a bit of that woo weakness.
 
Is it just me or is this list of celebrities really just a list of people who said bad things about W Bush?
 
Travis said:
Is it just me or is this list of celebrities really just a list of people who said bad things about W Bush?
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Truthers believe that anyone who believes the "official story" must also be a fan of W Bush. If this is true, then the contrapositive (if you hate W Bush, then you must also doubt the official story) must naturally be true as well.
 
Walter Ego said:
Aaron Russo, the first name on the list, is dead and Gore Vidal has been senile for years and I would seriously doubt that Senator Al Franken is a truther. Michael J. Fox is a puzzler for me too.
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I haven't watched the video, but I doubt Senator Franken is a "twoofer." He was certainly, and still is, critical of the Bush Administration, but I never heard him say anything about believing that they were somehow involved in 9/11.

If someone points to a link I will be glad to look it over, as long as it isn't a video.

In the meantime, as one of his constituents, I will send him a letter asking for him to comment.
 
jiggeryqua said:
On a more serious note:

What is it about actors that you think disqualifies them from any particular area of knowledge? Setting aside this particular area of ignorance, are there other professions that are wholly composed of people whose opinions are automatically worthless to you? I don't know what you do for a living, but can I discard the opinions of everyone who shares your work role based on this one ignorant comment of yours?
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Already answered, I think, still:

They are not disqualified, but they are not qualified, either. On a topic like 911, actors are simply ordinary people.

So imagine that this was instead about the opinion of a similar number of selected Wall-mart shoppers. - Not very impressive, right?

Hans
 
jiggeryqua said:
On a more serious note:

What is it about actors that you think disqualifies them from any particular area of knowledge? Setting aside this particular area of ignorance, are there other professions that are wholly composed of people whose opinions are automatically worthless to you? I don't know what you do for a living, but can I discard the opinions of everyone who shares your work role based on this one ignorant comment of yours?
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The whole point of producing a list of actors who support 9/11 conspiracy theories is that these are people whose opinions are listened to by ordinary people, and therefor considered notable. In effect, it's an appeal to authority. Actors, however, have absolutely no relevant knowledge or experience specific to determining whether the 9/11 conspiracy theories are true by virtue of their being actors. Their opinions, therefore, while not automatically worthless, are not automatically of any value; they can be ignored with no more concern than, as Hans suggests, those of a group of people polled in a retail outlet.

When someone with relevant expertise makes a statement on 9/11, then a second level of disproof is required. Richard Gage, for example, has at least some familiarity with issues related to building construction, and therefore his opinions warrant critical examination (even though few, if any, originate from his own mind). And, as it turns out, all his opinions on 9/11 are based on fatally flawed analysis, so they can be discarded as worthless after examination. A group of actors who happen to agree with him, however, don't warrant any such examination, particularly as everything they claim has already been shown to be as worthless as Gage's second-hand lies.

Dave
 
jiggeryqua said:
What is it about actors that you think disqualifies them from any particular area of knowledge? Setting aside this particular area of ignorance, are there other professions that are wholly composed of people whose opinions are automatically worthless to you? I don't know what you do for a living, but can I discard the opinions of everyone who shares your work role based on this one ignorant comment of yours?
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On the one hand, I agree with the notion that it's less who says something than it is what they say. If a claim has been falsified, it doesn't matter who puts it forth, it's a falsified claim that fails on its own merits.

That said, I'll admit that quite a few of us here get tired with the seemingly perpetual truther trumpeting of "So-and-so-for-9/11-Truth"; it all too often gets presented as being another point of vindication for their beliefs when it's nothing more than a demonstration of how they're trying to be popular over being correct (as an aside, this is precisely why I say the movement is not about discovering truth or knowledge generation, but merely about proselytizing to others. It's a belief-conversion movement nowadays). It's further aggravating because knowlege may indeed be generated and validated by group effort, but that doesn't mean that reality is determined by group vote. Yet it seems like truthers act as if getting sufficient numbers is all that's necessary for ultimate vindication.

At any rate, what's the importance of actor and celebrity statements on 9/11? The same as any other citizen. Which acts as a rejection of the Truther attempts to attach greater significance to them.
 
This whole celeberty thing is annoying. I found a regular step-function error in the 84RADES time stamp. I wanted to understand it better. I did not seek out an actor in that quest. No, I sought out multiple individuals who know radar and data systems for help.

If I need help with acting, I'll ask an actor. Likewise, if I need help with some tech aspect of 9/11, I'll ask someone who has devoted their lives to studying that aspect, not an actor.
 
In the early 70's a reporter asked Elvis Presley's opinion of the Vietnam protests. He said something to the effect (and there is film of this if someone has the time to find it) that he is a singer and his opinion shouldn't matter more than anyone elses.

That's why he was the "King."
 
Childlike Empress said:
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Wow, that's brilliant parody! I thought the Truth Movement was, overall, self-selectively comprised of the least creative individuals on the planet. But this... this changes everything!

For example, note the innovative use of negatives to cleverly subvert the meaning of the original...

Well it's all right,
It's okay,
You can look the other way
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...to reveal the ironically opposite meaning that was implicit the whole time (since it's well known that all statements inevitably suggest their own negation; that is to say, it isn't and they don't.):

Well it's not all right,
It's not okay,
For you to look the other way...
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Weird Al Yancovic must be kicking himself that for all his parodic accomplishments, he overlooked that simple and devastating technique.

The only fly in this ointment is... I doubt that the actual Bee Gee's can be credited for this new version. While I acknowledge that inspiration can strike anywhere, it is statistically unlikely for the Bee Gee's to have suddenly and uncharacteristically revealed genius of that magnitude. So, in keeping with the thread topic, I must inquire: which Hollywood celebrity was the true mastermind of the piece?

I only ask because I would wish to caution that individual to be careful in the future application of his or her remarkable gift, even for the most laudable of causes. It is not clear that civilization itself could survive the magnitude of upheaval that must result from self-examination that profound. To offer one frightening example, from the tip of the truly terrifying iceberg:

Jingle bells, jingle bells,
Jingle not all the way,
Oh what fun it isn't to ride
In a zero-or-two-or-more-horse open sleigh...

Please, in the name of all that is holy, use that power wisely!

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
1337m4n said:
What kind of a person is actually PROUD of the fact that Charlie Sheen is on their side?
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Hello? The side that is WINNINGTM.
Sabrina said:
There's only one rock group I'm aware of that actually endorses several conspiracy theories, including 9/11 truth: hed p.e.
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I think that the band Muse flirted with the Truth at some point. I thought that they even toured with a twin-towers inspired stage design. I could be wrong.

CptColumbo said:
In the early 70's a reporter asked Elvis Presley's opinion of the Vietnam protests. He said something to the effect (and there is film of this if someone has the time to find it) that he is a singer and his opinion shouldn't matter more than anyone elses.

That's why he was the "King."
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Indeed.
 
CptColumbo said:
In the early 70's a reporter asked Elvis Presley's opinion of the Vietnam protests. He said something to the effect (and there is film of this if someone has the time to find it) that he is a singer and his opinion shouldn't matter more than anyone elses.

That's why he was the "King."
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Is this the clip you're referring to?

 
JohnG said:
Is this the clip you're referring to?

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That looks like it.

"I'm just an entertainer."

Although I was wrong and he just said he would prefer to keep his personal view to himself.

I think I originally saw it in the documentary This is Elvis.

He's still the "King."
 
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