9/11 — The Myth & the Reality

[beachnut]

We do! We see our government out of control, on an imperialistic march. Failing to solve the crimes. (Including anthrax). And rights disappearing. Maybe if that stuff wasn't happening, we would never have questioned 9/11.

Go ahead and name one freedom you have lost since 9/11. A list right here and now, can you?

The only out of control people since 9/11 are the CTers and their leaders with no idea what happen or able to gather one fact to support their lies in 5 years. Not a great group you have decided to support. They just lie.

PLUS you are off topic again, it is Griffin! What is Griffin's myth number 9 and why is it wrong as the rest of his debunking myth lies?

 

[wizzertz]

What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

Are you trying to save the world too? If so, from what? Is it worth your time to eradicate stupidity? I would argue that nothing you're doing is eradicating even a tiny speck of stupidity. So there must be something more to this. Something psychological (if you folks believe in psychology). Or something... sinister?

I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?

I could ask the same about you. If you think this is pointless, why are you even here? I politely ask what point you have to make. I am not here to eradicate stupidity. However, I have eradicated my own stupidity based on information I have gathered from several places (JREF included).

As for something sinister, yesterday I teased my cat with food. I hope she can forgive my insolence.

 

[wizzertz]

OMG,

Where is your "quaint" little town?

 

[Gravy]

What has come of it? Besides annoying signs at Obama rallies, and a few people selling some books.

Let's start out small. Some truther leaders think I should be executed. That may not be significant to you, but it is to me, for a number of reasons. Can you understand why?

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Go ahead and name one freedom you have lost since 9/11. A list right here and now, can you?

Why? You'll "debunk" it and say "NEXT!"

(Start with the Patriot Act).

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Let's start out small. Some truther leaders think I should be executed. That may not be significant to you, but it is to me, for a number of reasons. Can you understand why?

Truth "leaders" say that? Please name them.

 

[beachnut]

Why? You'll "debunk" it and say "NEXT!"

(Start with the Patriot Act).

You are just talk and can not point to the lies in the things you say! You said you have lost rights! Name them!

If you can not name the rights you have lost since 9/11 I will assume you are telling lies. How can we discuss stuff when you refuse to name the very things you say you have lost?

You can not name myth 9 by Griffin and that is on topic. Your rights are not even on topic except for the fact as you can not name one fact Griffin has you can not name one right/freedom you have lost since 9/11.

Are you a fraud on 9/11 topics, just talking?

 

[A W Smith]

We do! We see our government out of control, on an imperialistic march. Failing to solve the crimes. (Including anthrax). And rights disappearing. Maybe if that stuff wasn't happening, we would never have questioned 9/11.

do you actually believe we have less freedom today that we did during the fifties? You know. Before civil rights, During the investigation of un-American Activities. Segregation in the south. The draft, McCarthyism. The death penalty in all states. The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg electric chair executions, (today they would get life. if that).

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

do you actually believe we have less freedom today that we did during the fifties? You know. Before civil rights, During the investigation of un-American Activities. Segregation in the south. The draft, McCarthyism. The death penalty in all states. The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg electric chair executions, (today they would get life. if that).

What do the fifties have to do with this?

 

[beachnut]

What do the fifties have to do with this?

You said you lost rights. You were wrong. He was making a comparison. You are too challenged to remember your own junk?

When are you coming up with some facts?

And do you think you are most like pdoh or is pagan or scooby?

Are you pdoh?

Facts, when are the facts and myth 9 coming, back on topic just for you?

 

[T.A.M.]

OK, but if it's all a pack of lies, then nothing will ever come of it, anyway. Meanwhile, you are spending a LOT of time you could be enjoying a nice day, going to the beach, etc.

Did I mention I was a father of 2, a husband, and a physician. I also enjoy numerous other hobbies. Trust me, If I wanted to "obsess" about this, and dedicate ALOT of my time to this, you would see ALOT more of me here. I do dedicate a fair bit of time to this, as I feel it is worthwhile.

The reason I bother, despite it being a pack of lies, is as I said, to ward off the snake oil salesmen. The salesmen SELLS the buyer worthless junk (lies) and takes money (truth) away from them. I am here to make sure the buyer is at least informed they are buying what is WORTHLESS JUNK before they make they're purchase. If I can make even a few reconsider, than it is a victory.

You seem to have so much bitter disdain for anybody who would even open their mind to the possibility of something other than 19 Moslem hijackers/OBL. You aren't out to "help them." Or save them from snake oil salesmen. You are out to ridicule them and be superior to them. And that's where you lose them every time.

Who are you to tell me what I am or am not out to do? Mind yourself bozo. You can tell me that you don't think I am doing that, but watch the "absolutes".

I am bitter and sometimes abrupt with the obvious "truthers" who post here. If you have watched me post over the long haul, you will see that if someone comes here legitimately asking questions, they will get a fair shake. It is when this is used by a truther as a rouse to start a debate (what we have labeled the "mark of woo") that you will see different.

I am not out to act superior to anyone. I have openly admitted to being wrong, and to not having the knowledge on many topics or areas of 9/11. Have you EVER done this?

If anyone acts superior, it is the truther, who goes around boasting that only they know the real "truth" and how everyone else are "sheep".

I havent lost anyone that was saveable yet...as for those that have already decided, and are simply acting "unknowing", oh well, I wasnt fighting for them anyway.

TAM

TAM

 

[Gravy]

Truth "leaders" say that? Please name them.

Kevin Barrett, head of MUJCA and Rob Balsamo, head of Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Then there's Jason Bermas, who hasn't said I should be executed but has publicly accused me of being a traitor to the United States and to humanity. Of course, Alex Jones, the Loose Change guys, and others have publicly stated that my name isn't Mark Roberts and that I'm a government agent. They may have changed their minds about that (I'm not sure), but do I get an apology? Nooooo.

Seems like behavior that's more becoming of paranoid kooks than "truth" seekers, doesn't it?

 

[A W Smith]

What do the fifties have to do with this?

Originally Posted by skepticalcriticalguy
We do! We see our government out of control, on an imperialistic march. Failing to solve the crimes. (Including anthrax). And rights disappearing. Maybe if that stuff wasn't happening, we would never have questioned 9/11.


Originally Posted by A W Smith
do you actually believe we have less freedom today that we did during the fifties? You know. Before civil rights, During the investigation of un-American Activities. Segregation in the south. The draft, McCarthyism. The death penalty in all states. The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg electric chair executions, (today they would get life. if that).

are you that stoooopid? and as far as unsoilved crimes. didn't our goverment in 1994 bring Medgar Evers murderer to trial and convict him? 30 years later?

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Who are you to tell me what I am or am not out to do? Mind yourself bozo. You can tell me that you don't think I am doing that, but watch the "absolutes".

Ah! You might want to tell your compadres here that they should watch the "absolutes." Not all Truthers believe in moon lasers. Just to cite an example.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Originally Posted by skepticalcriticalguy http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2436985#post2436985http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif
We do! We see our government out of control, on an imperialistic march. Failing to solve the crimes. (Including anthrax). And rights disappearing. Maybe if that stuff wasn't happening, we would never have questioned 9/11.


Originally Posted by A W Smith http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2437039#post2437039http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif
do you actually believe we have less freedom today that we did during the fifties? You know. Before civil rights, During the investigation of un-American Activities. Segregation in the south. The draft, McCarthyism. The death penalty in all states. The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg electric chair executions, (today they would get life. if that).

are you that stoooopid? and as far as unsoilved crimes. didn't our goverment in 1994 bring Medgar Evers murderer to trial and convict him? 30 years later?

I'm talking about since 9/11. More specifically, since the congress gave war powers to the Pres, and the Patriot Act came around.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Why bother? Why not just let Twoofers have their little hobby? What harm can come of it?

Jonestown
Mt. Carmel
9/11
7/7
Guy Fawkes

Yeah, what's the harm in letting paranoid people with factually incorrect worldviews spew their drivel?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

None that you would accept. You'd sling a link at me and say "debunked. NEXT!"

Then they are not facts. Facts are objective. Facts are verifiable. Facts are empirical.

 

[A W Smith]

I'm talking about since 9/11. More specifically, since the congress gave war powers to the Pres, and the Patriot Act came around.

Give me one example. Just one. Of how your rights were violated since 911? No shampoo at the airport? No sharps on board planes? Did someone make you take your shoes off? did you have to walk the long way around a concrete jersey barrier? Were you forced to pick up a passenger to drive through the holland tunnel? Poor baby.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Jonestown
Mt. Carmel
9/11
7/7
Guy Fawkes

Yeah, what's the harm in letting paranoid people with factually incorrect worldviews spew their drivel?

Arkan, can you explain each of these? Are you saying that the Mt. Carmel people were paranoid and had "incorrect worldviews?" So the Clinton Admin was justified?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

OK, but if it's all a pack of lies, then nothing will ever come of it, anyway.

You know this is not true. Many of the truthers love to point out all the past shenanigans, real or imagined, of the U.S. government and their negative results.

Have you ever heard of the Heaven's Gate Cult? The Jonestown Massacre? How about the various attacks on abortion clinics? Slavery?