9/11 — The Myth & the Reality

[kookbreaker]

Why bother? Why not just let Twoofers have their little hobby? What harm can come of it?

Conspiracy theories are like cancer.They spread, they infest other parts of culture, they insult the intelligence and skills of our world's professionals. Start with one nonsense conspiracy and soon you have people pulling stupid crap out of their butts like 'Vaccines kill you! The government said they were good for fighting disease but they orchestrated 911'. Troother's already demonstrated they are more than willing to crap on the work of hundreds of thousands not only with 911 but also with the Moon Landing.

Conspiracy theories also substitute legitimate government participation with indifference and nonsense. After all, why bother to vote when the illuminati and Bushco are fixing the election? Instead, public participation becomes limited to marching once a year in an event closer to a pot party than anything truly political. Those in the mindset are never going to be likely to take any real steps to better our world.

Or worse, they do participate in the worst possible way: Conspiracy theories lead to racism: Jews were targeted as 'the cause' of 911 by some and that mindset spread like disease. In between two certain global conflicts would you have said of the National Socialists: "Let them think that the Jews betrayed the German Empire, what harm can come of it". Or perhaps you would have said in post-Antebellum south: "Let those folks think that Catholics and blacks are conspiring to make a Papist/Black run government, what harm can come of it? Let them have their little hobby." Would you have said these things?

Conspiracy theories are a dangerous religion, not a hobby. They claim to be asking question, but have you ever seen such cultish resistance to getting answers? I haven't, not outside Sylvia Brown fans and Scientologists, at least.

We are a forum for critical thinking, not just letting people hang onto their delusions just because some flat-minded dolts think that its just a bit of fun.

 

[WildCat]

Define "evidence." One man's evidence is another man's "meh." (See OJ trial).

Evidence - facts supporting your hypothesis. Got any?

 

[beachnut]

No, I', making a point that it is dangerous to go about things the way post #1 lays it out.

Basically saying "I know this is crap, so help me out; hand me the debunk."

Every siinge point of Griffin is BS. Just junk.

Please you start and show me on point he makes that is fact based and no facts left out please.

This is simple you can not show me one fact to prove Griffin's points. Are you able to do any thing?


Yep all you have is debunked cause you are too challenged to find facts. try a fact, notice you are still not about to post one fact yet. Facts?

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Evidence - facts supporting your hypothesis. Got any?

None that you would accept. You'd sling a link at me and say "debunked. NEXT!"

 

[WildCat]

None that you would accept. You'd sling a link at me and say "debunked. NEXT!"

Because a lie is not a fact. Facts cannot be debunked, lies can. Do you have any facts?

 

[scooby]

Explain your disagreement with providing a convenient source of fact-based rebuttals to Griffin's argument.

If you want to organise your own public meeting in support of your theories - go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend interrupting somebody else's. Though again, I'd love to be there to see it.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Why not go in and watch the movie, and then participate in the Q&A session after? You'd have more cridibility than you will just handing out a leaflet.

Are there going to be any speakers there, too? Or just the film?

 

[Gravy]

If you want to organise your own public meeting in support of your theories - go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend interrupting somebody else's. Though again, I'd love to be there to see it.

Please point out where OMGturt1es plans to interrupt a meeting.

Thanks.

 

[Gravy]

Why not go in and watch the movie, and then participate in the Q&A session after? You'd have more cridibility than you will just handing out a leaflet.

Sounds like a good idea to participate in the Q&A. OMG will have already seen the movie. You don't actually have an issue with handing out a leaflet, though, do you?

 

[Arus808]

If you want to organise your own public meeting in support of your theories - go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend interrupting somebody else's. Though again, I'd love to be there to see it.

so the "truthers" can do this, but we can't? - they dont mind interrupting non-9/11 related gatherings with their tripe and of course many camped out in front of theaters for the showing of World Trade Center and United 93.

how hypocritical.

 

[tacodaemon]

No, I', making a point that it is dangerous to go about things the way post #1 lays it out.

Basically saying "I know this is crap, so help me out; hand me the debunk."

Psssst, skepticalcriticalguy: if Gravy's questioning gets to be too much for you, just remember the magic words: "Listen, you, I had sex with hookers in Amsterdam!"

 

[Gravy]

Why bother? Why not just let Twoofers have their little hobby? What harm can come of it?

Turn that around: what harm can come from presenting facts that counter conspiracist claims? Most of the regular posters here have been banned from conspiracist sites for doing nothing more than presenting arguments that disagree with truther claims.

Do you have any thoughts or observations about why the conspiracists so often choose censorship over open debate?

 

[A W Smith]

Psssst, skepticalcriticalguy: if Gravy's questioning gets to be too much for you, just remember the magic words: "Listen, you, I had sex with hookers in Amsterdam!"

now in truth he never said that. he said (in as many words) after visiting Amsterdam he had trouble achieving an erection. which could mean hes still recovering from a sex change operation.

 

[Gravy]

No, I', making a point that it is dangerous to go about things the way post #1 lays it out.

Basically saying "I know this is crap, so help me out; hand me the debunk."

I agree that the OP makes hasty generalizations. However, since Griffin has produced a large body of laughably bad work, it's not unreasonable to expect more of the same. I think we would have heard about it if he had suddenly produced something accurate and compelling. Still, I would hope that OMG would be on the lookout for new arguments and information from Griffin.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Sounds like a good idea to participate in the Q&A. OMG will have already seen the movie. You don't actually have an issue with handing out a leaflet, though, do you?

Of course not! But if the person handing out the leaflet has actually watched the film, I'd give them more credibility.

 

[Arus808]

Of course not! But if the person handing out the leaflet has actually watched the film, I'd give them more credibility.

did you miss the part where OMGturtles was watching the film, so he was able to address the claims there

and then given a link to the ENTIRE transcript of said film?

 

[WildCat]

Still no facts skepticalcriticalguy? Not even one? Is "looky at teh vid" or "lookit teh site" all you've got?

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Turn that around: what harm can come from presenting facts that counter conspiracist claims?

Well, twoofers think they are saving the world. From a conspiratorial coup (I guess that's redundent, all coups are conspiratorial), or the evil Bushes.

But they have no evidence, so it won't do them any good.

What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

Are you trying to save the world too? If so, from what? Is it worth your time to eradicate stupidity? I would argue that nothing you're doing is eradicating even a tiny speck of stupidity. So there must be something more to this. Something psychological (if you folks believe in psychology). Or something... sinister?

I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?

 

[T.A.M.]

Yeah but how exactly is this going to work?

A group of interested people turn up to watch a film highlighting important civic issues of worldwide import, and some joker at the back stands up and says "Excuse me twoofers! I have 115 points of rebuttal which I will read to you now ..."

I'd love to be there.

My point was to show OMG the large list of Griffins "Arguments", knowing the video will likely only cover some of them, but the after discussion will likely bring up many more. If OMG knows all 115 he will likely not encounter anything new thrown around.

If you want to organise your own public meeting in support of your theories - go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend interrupting somebody else's. Though again, I'd love to be there to see it.

This from someone who aligns himself with the "truth" movement, a group that openly tells fellow members to "cyberbomb" CNN polls, whose leader walks up to military men in the middle of a store in New York, and harrasses them, not even knowing them (Alex Jones). The truthers have turned obnoxious behavior into an artform.

Why not go in and watch the movie, and then participate in the Q&A session after? You'd have more cridibility than you will just handing out a leaflet.

Are there going to be any speakers there, too? Or just the film?

I think he'll have little credibility amongst that crowd regardless. 99.9% will be fellow truthers, with the odd curious person for good measure. I'd say do both.

I agree that the OP makes hasty generalizations. However, since Griffin has produced a large body of laughably bad work, it's not unreasonable to expect more of the same. I think we would have heard about it if he had suddenly produced something accurate and compelling. Still, I would hope that OMG would be on the lookout for new arguments and information from Griffin.

Yes, and hence the reason why I pointed OMG to Griffin's 115 Points...it covers almost all of his body of nonsense.

TAM

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Still no facts skepticalcriticalguy? Not even one? Is "looky at teh vid" or "lookit teh site" all you've got?

That's what I see most of you here do. And I rarely post links to any vids or sites (for this very reason).