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Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

Ah! Very interesting. So why are my WTC dust samples so full of iron fragments?

1. We don't know anything about your "WTC dust samples", IE if they're even from the WTC, when they were collected, etc.
2. Without answers to #1, discussion of why there are "iron fragments" in your "dust samples" is irrelevant, however, if they were collected any significant time after the clean up, then I would bet this is a significant source of your "iron fragments"...

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You call Steven Jones a liar because of his continuous misrepresentation of facts...one of which was the cuts made by these men he misrepresented as thermite cuts. You're, in essence, doing the exact same thing.

PPOR.
 
Really?

Below is the type of bullcrap "evidence" and rantings Judy tries to use to purvey a sense of mystery, awe, and unbelievable effects that can only be explained by her equally fantastical theory.

Just like the claim that the toasted cars all the way over on FDR, which is a supposed weird occurrence, can only be explained by a super secret and science-fiction-like weapon. This in fact was just damaged cars being towed to the FDR location as has been shown.

Here's another example of her carnival/side show type garbage. This is from her website here. http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin3.html

Everyone gather 'round for the Greatest Show on Earth! Even better than the Man with Lizard Skin, or the Bearded Lady, Judy presents... THE MYSTERIOUSLY SKEWERED CAR!!!!



You have to be kidding me. Dropped from the TOP of the tree and skewered? Looks to me like the the car wrapped around the tree from the right. I love the "The rescue workers appear to be shocked by what they see." Like she can see that expression from the photo. Nothing like adding more "shock and awe" to her claims. Her bloated head (due to her own personal delusions of grandeur) is so far up her own rear end, she can no longer see the obvious and practical explanations in front of her.

The above is very largely uninformed; pathetic, really.

In taking issue with the toasted car component of 9/11, the poster ignores the fact Dr. Wood's book supports her claim concerning them with eye witness testimony, together with an entire chapter in her book devoted to the topic.

I have already addressed this issue, earlier in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8236315&postcount=113

The phony, unauthenticated claim that toasted cars were towed to FDR drive is just that: a phony, unauthenticated claim. Certainly, neither NIST nor the 9/11 Commission made the claim; but, then again, neither of them investigated the destruction of the WTC complex.

As to hurricane force and damage, the fact is hurricanes and tornadoes are not well understood phenomena. The point Dr. Wood exquisitely makes in her website and in her book, 'Where Did the Towers Go" Ch.18, is that hurricanes, Hurricane Erin, in particular are a factor in the generation of energy.

I think the points Dr. Wood makes about Hurricane Erin are at the forefront of scientific discovery. In this, the 21st Century, it is likely that fields such as astrophysics, high energy physics and cosmology, along with several earth sciences will be radically altered based on new discoveries and the non-suppression of some old ones, concerning the electrical nature of the universe.

Current models give gravity the central role in certain phenomena, including celestial mechanics. The new direction in physics calls this assumption squarely into question. We can relate this factor to 9/11. The common storyline relies on the force of gravity to explain the annihilation of the Twin Towers in 10 seconds (+/-). That is false. The force of gravity is too weak to have done what was seen to have happened. Hence, the gravity explanation is wrong.

But, conventional science does not give way easily. All sorts of constructs, most based on mathematical deduction, including dark energy, dark matter, black holes, etc., none of which have ever been seen, to try to explain what is very visibly electrical phenomena.

As to hurricanes, the new direction in physics has this to say:

"Tornadoes and Hurricanes

People experiencing the terrifying threat and presence of tornadoes have spoken sometimes of their seeing electric effects. See http://collegetimes.us/on-the-electromagnetic-basis-of-tornadoes/ The rotation of tornadoes and hurricanes is supportive of the view that these phenomena are electrically driven, and the satellite pattern of hurricanes is strongly reminiscent of scientific depictions of galaxies. In an Electric Universe, the observed pattern of galaxies is inevitably caused by the electric force that drives them, and such forces and phenomena are scalable by many orders of magnitude, so that it becomes almost impossible to suppose that it is not the electric force driving the rotation of terrestrial hurricanes, often observed with electric effects as well."


Source: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/201...rical-explanation-of-mass-and-gravity-part-2/

I must say, the level of debunking has fallen quite dramatically. Some posters seem unaware that what they claim does not even make sense, let alone constitute anything close to a rebuttal of the meticulous work done by Dr. Wood.
 
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You're stuck in the thermodynamics box when heat played almost no role in the destruction of the WTC.

I hope you can see this.

This is utterly ludicrous. Heat played no role? And you're a "no planer" too you've admitted. YOU deserve no respect. YOUR ideas are absolute idiocy. Pray tell miss doctorate in pharmacology with zero expertise in civil or structural engineering and an obvious lack of mathematical skills...why do they FIREPROOF STEEL?!?!?!
 
Macgyver,

If you post up something that tends to refute the actual content of a claim made by Dr. Wood, I might be inclined to engage with you. Not otherwise.
 
Here's another short transcript of an exchange from the Fetzer Wood interview I referred to earlier. (HERE)

This one includes a "description" by Judy Wood of how she thinks the DEW functioned on 9/11. This, still today, represents the competence and depths of Judys research into the subject.


Wood: Someone was wondering how it get's done...Well I was thinking of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. Everyone who's been at a freshman engineering course has seen this video, maybe everyone in the world has seen this video, where they built a beautiful bridge, suspension bridge...

Fetzer: Yeah.

Woods: It was strong enough to handle the wind.....

Fetzer: Right.

Wood: But they overlooked one thing.....

Fetzer: Yeah, oscillate.....

Wood: The wind would excite the natural frequecy of the bridge.....

Fetzer: It can cause oscillation.

Wood: Right and it excited the natural frequency of the bridge and the bridge started going (?) oscillations which built and built and built so the bridge was in self-destruction.

Fetzer: Go ahead.

Wood: Well, let's say you can aim a beam at steel, and at a molecular level it triggers the natural frequency of it's molecules which start building, building until it self-destructs. It explodes. And it's on a very small scale compared to a big scale but that, this, for a mental image think of that idea. So you initiate it and then it.....

Fetzer: So instead of the horizontal like the Narrows you're talking vertical?

Wood: No I'm talking about energy.

Fetzer: Vertical oscillations or are they horizontal oscillations?

Wood: Let's talk about energy-wise.

Fetzer: Yeah.

Wood: We also have swing-sets where you push a kid on a swing.....

Fetzer: Yeah?

Wood: And you push at the right stroke you get them swinging bigger, if you push at the wrong part of the stroke you stop them.

Fetzer: Yeah.

Wood: It's that kind of idea.

Fetzer: Yeah.

Wood: Working with the system, if you can energise it somehow, so that, it seems reasonable that you could have different frequencies that would affect different things differently.

Fetzer: This is going to require an astonishing source of energy!

Wood: Ah-ha. For those who doubt such a thing exists, that's why I posted my webpage this afternoon. You can see the picture of such a gizmo....

Fetzer: Yeah we need to talk about that. We are talking about here a directed energy weapon a high-tech weapon that can direct energy in the form of waves that can be concentrated and can have broader or narrower amplitude. Correct?

Wood: Yeah Who knows that, or what frequencies. We don't even need to answer that. You know, folks have said well, how much energy would it take to pulverise the buildings? My response is, is the building not pulverised? Is there any question? (laughs) And uh, you know, it's pulverised so it obviously happened.

Fetzer: Yeah.

Wood: Just because you don't know of the gizmo doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Fetzer: Yeah.

Wood: But there is evidence that it exists.


Compus
 
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Similarly, posters who engage in context-ripping of radio interviews do not merit replies.

In general, however, and in order to overcome disinformation, it should be noted Dr. Wood does not make a claim concerning location of weaponry that destroyed the WTC complex. The reason is that any such claim would be speculative.

There is evidence that laser and other DEW have been placed in space, and the evidence to that effect predates 9/11. Posters interested can take a look either at the court papers filed by Dr. Wood or at the website of the Directed Energy Professional Society.

There is also evidence that high flying stealth aircraft were flying above NYC on 9/11. This evidence can also be found at Dr. Wood's website, in the form of authenticated eye witness testimony from EMT Patricia Ondrovic.

Despite the existence of evidence, Dr. Wood does not make a claim as to location of the weaponry that destroyed the WTC complex.

Those who have a vested interest in proving she said the weapons were space-based are engaging in disinformation, manipulation and misrepresentation.
 
Macgyver,

If you post up something that tends to refute the actual content of a claim made by Dr. Wood, I might be inclined to engage with you. Not otherwise.

In other words...you can't defend what your god says...I understand...I didn't expect you to defend her nonsense.
 
Norwegian translation:
Noun
dust m
(pejorative) dork, moron, tool

Beautiful irony. Thx Minnemouse for the laugh!
 
I luuuuuv facts, Mikillini:) But then again I´ve not been sampling any of those.... herbs that ms Blevin and her merry bunch (that the villages misses so much) apparently frequently sample

Don't blame the herb, there are plenty of successful, intelligent people that partake. :cool: Just saying...

I do agree though, Ms. Blevins is a grape short of a fruit salad. Ms. Woods, however, is off the deep end. What kind of individual would find something odd about rust spots on the underside of motor vehicles. Especially considering the truck that was flipped over, judging by the underbody, was a mid-70's truck. Find me a non-restored 70's vehicle without rust and I'll buy you a cookie.
 
In other words...you can't defend what your god says...I understand...I didn't expect you to defend her nonsense.

Just as you had predicted. I'm still continually surprised that ANYBODY with a functioning brainstem gives these theories any credence at all. I'm still learning about the dysfunctional thought processes behind this kind of thinking.

I have to conclude that Judy Wood is in fact mentally disturbed. In street parlance I guess you'd use the term 'crank' or 'whackjob'. Seems to fit well either way.
 
Despite the existence of evidence, Dr. Wood does not make a claim as to location of the weaponry that destroyed the WTC complex.

Those who have a vested interest in proving she said the weapons were space-based are engaging in disinformation, manipulation and misrepresentation.


AHEM. From HERE


Troy: Energy beams or lasers from space?

Judy: Yes.


Done and dusted.


Compus
 
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Don't blame the herb, there are plenty of successful, intelligent people that partake. :cool: Just saying...

I do agree though, Ms. Blevins is a grape short of a fruit salad. Ms. Woods, however, is off the deep end. What kind of individual would find something odd about rust spots on the underside of motor vehicles. Especially considering the truck that was flipped over, judging by the underbody, was a mid-70's truck. Find me a non-restored 70's vehicle without rust and I'll buy you a cookie.

Dr Wood is obsessed with this idea of some kind of selective molecular disassociation, which she identifies as rust and dust for fairly inane reasons.

What's very obvious with her 'research' is that she feels it is adequate to view a few pictures, look for a few features which fit her confirmation bias and publish the result as some form of relevant analysis. The problem is, it simply is NOT competent, relevant analysis - far from it. She hasn't bothered to consult any number of relevant experts who would quickly provide factual, science-based explanations for all of her 'anomalies'.
She just continues to make up explanations from her own personal frame of reference - apparently she is an expert on every thing she comes across.

Whatever it is she's doing, it ain't real science by any stretch. Not even close.
 
So Jammy...answer me the question...what does rusted undercarriage parts of tornado victims truck have to do with the destruction of the 9/11 towers?
 
There is evidence that laser and other DEW have been placed in space,
How does this evidence relate to Judy Wood's 'theories' on the destruction of the WTC?

There is also evidence that high flying stealth aircraft were flying above NYC on 9/11.
How does this evidence relate to Judy Wood's 'theories' on the destruction of the WTC?

Despite the existence of evidence, Dr. Wood does not make a claim as to location of the weaponry that destroyed the WTC complex.

So she has no theory then. Fine. Maybe she should stop beating around the bush and state 'I have no *********** clue what I'm talking about. Buy my book'
There are lots of twits publishing books, she's just another one of them. She hasn't discovered anything profound about the collapses, she's just profoundly wrong.

Those who have a vested interest in proving she said the weapons were space-based are engaging in disinformation, manipulation and misrepresentation.

Well you just got pwned on that one, didn't you? Your credibility just went negative - it's below zero. The only reason to engage you at all is for amusement, because you're not intellectually honest. No, you're not.

Your empty claim is hereby tossed into the dustbin, along with those of the Dust Gang.
 
Norwegian translation:
Noun
dust m
(pejorative) dork, moron, tool

Beautiful irony. Thx Minnemouse for the laugh!

:) You are welcome, Alienentity:) We have a Norwegian saying; a good laugh prolongs life. After this thread; well - I am pretty certain that 100 wont be that difficult to reach:D
 
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Please Jammy...explain to me why the rust on the overturned trucks is significant. Your idol Dr. judy doesn't bother to explain it.
 
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