Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[alienentity]

BTW I do want to clarify that the basic claims put forward by both Dr Wood and Dr Blevins are fraudulent, in my opinion. The fact is that massive amounts of structural steel were removed from the WTC site - to claim otherwise is a lie, to avoid quantifying the actual amounts is deceptive, to make a claim for which there is no actual evidence is dishonest.

I can't think of a more dishonest approach to analyzing the tower collapses, using this as a starting point.

Perhaps the no-plane claims of Jammonius et al. come very close, but I think dustified or foamified disappearing steel is about as dishonest as it gets.

It's time for these people to 'fess up that it's all been a hoax, or face continued ridicule and scorn for pushing such fraudulent and guanophrenic ideas on the public.

ETA While reminded of the 'God in the gaps' arguments made by creationists, I would point out that the ideas of Dr Blevins and Dr Wood do not even rise to the level of 'DEW in the gaps' because there is no gap!
The steel was not turned to dust or foam, and it didn't disappear magically - it was collected and transported. End of story.

 

[alienentity]

Contrary to what Tracy Blevins asserts, Judy Wood does indeed make several direct links between the destruction of the WTC towers and what she terms 'field effects' from hurricanes, and even tornadoes.

The example shown in the picture posted by gamolon is taken from Hurricane Wilma. Judy Wood mentions it in this interview and she specifically ties it to her allegations that cars on 9/11 mysteriously ended up in weird positions due to some kind of 'field effect'.

She mentions the term 'Torsion Field', presumably not the original Einsteinian variety but the pseudo-scientific kind

So she's definitely
1) Making claims that hurricanes can levitate cars by special forces referred to as 'field effects' or 'torsion fields'
2) Making claims that this kind of thing happened on 9/11 due to Hurricane Erin
3) Implying that these forces were deliberately used by conspirators on 9/11

Further direct evidence that Judy Wood is making pseudo-scientific claims like this (contrary to the denials of Tracy Blevins) is found on the same interview when she denies that:

a) People would jump from a building fire in large numbers (no citations given, only personal conjecture - in fact it has happened many times in history and is well documented)
b) People who jumped from 90 stories shouldn't become 'broken up' when they hit the pavement, so this is suspicious and apparently an artifact of her 'torsion field' idea.


She IS in fact making several specific claims, while denying that she is doing so. Deceptive? Yup, it certainly is. She's a morbid, attention-seeking fraud IMO.

 

[TJM]

Sanctions or no sanctions...what was the court's opinion of Judy's case?

As in "What part of 'laughed out of court' isn't he getting?

Sad to see someone so heavily invested in a delusion. It's almost as if jammonius *is* Dr. Wood.

Not true, right jammy?

 

[minnemouse]

Dust (hilarious nick for those of us that understands Norwegian!); Its very hard to believe and rely on someone that slanders opponents as a line of argument. You are upset with anyone that does not respect Wood, but you dont really respect anyone that calls you out on your crazy, unsubstantiated ideas. If you did, you would not call anyone a child molester and an alcoholic for the sake of "argument". But I guess double standards are better than "just" standard in your world....

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/12/occupy-wall-street-protestor-who-got.html

 

[minnemouse]

What about the radar tracks?

Hey!!! Stop putting FACTS in this thread immediately!!

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Dr Blevins [...]

Can we stop calling her "Dr."? If she wants to start talking about something within her field of study, I'd be more than happy to preface her name with "Dr.", but her degree doesn't even remotely apply to this discussion. It's continued use is misleading.

 

[NoahFence]

Am I the only one who thinks the PHD in plant genetics is soley to make more powerful pot?

 

[MIKILLINI]

Hey!!! Stop putting FACTS in this thread immediately!!

Facts...we need facts, gotta have the facts. Ms Blevins & any of the other deluded ones go about this discussion by ignoring the facts, but why do that? Why is it so important for them to ignore facts? I just can't understand why these people believe untested, undocumented, ordinary (most likely) examples of evidence are the true samples of a dark and sinister operation and nothing else matters (Including real, actual facts).

 

[Macgyver1968]

You've exposed yet another example of gross incompetence by Judy Wood. No doubt Dr Blevins will excuse this and continue to keep Judy on her dusty pedestal - that's her prerogative.

Just wanted to add that the water lines are visible on the car as well (in both pics but more obviously on the lower one you found) and show that the car indeed floated there and came to rest on the fence.

The fence is still vertical because it is strong enough to support part of the car's weight. Because the car is front-wheel drive the majority of its mass is at the front, which is resting on the ground, and the centre of mass is well below the fence top.

Please, Dr Blevins and Dr Wood, don't make us show the pictures of boats resting in weird places after floods with captions 'how did this boat get here?'
I'm quite certain I could find hundreds of examples of bogus Judy Wood-style 'field effects' if I wanted to.

But it would be a waste of time. Dr Wood's observations are at best incompetent.

I think her website is a perfect example of what goes on in her disjointed mind. It's filled with random images that are only significant to her, because she doesn't bother to post any text explaining their relevance.

Let's look at the frame right below the "skewered car" pic that Gammy posted:

The frame is entitled "Katrina"...and we see 3 images of flooding in N.O. after hurricane Katrina. There is no text explain why these images are relevant...just a question "Why are the leaves still on the trees?". Well...possibly because the winds in this area weren't strong enough to strip trees of all their leaves. However...what this has to do with anything is anyone's guess...because only Dr. Judy knows why these pictures are important to her theory.

 

[jammonius]

As in "What part of 'laughed out of court' isn't he getting?

Sad to see someone so heavily invested in a delusion. It's almost as if jammonius *is* Dr. Wood.

Not true, right jammy?

A supporter of the common storyline of 9/11 accuses someone else of being "heavily invested in a delusion."

You know what's coming next, right?


That is rich.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Just for fun...Let's look at the frame right above the "skewered cars"...just as another example of random images that are only significant to Dr. Judy.

This frame is entitled "Missing Materials", and shows us a condo missing a wall, an apartment building with a collapsed wall, a picture of of house missing some shingles, and a house that has had a corner knocked off by a falling tree.

Again, we have no text to explain why these images are relevant. We all know high winds can damage buildings, rip off shingles and cause trees to fall on houses. What makes these images so special?...who knows...only Dr. Judy knows. The only text we get asks why their are shingles missing in Figure 27, while the trees appear in full foliage. I guess this is supposed to mean something to Dr. Judy.

 

[NoahFence]

Man that Judy Woods is a total idiot.

 

[WildCat]

Thanks for strating this thread WTC Dust, I had no idea the extent of Judy Wood's mental illness prior to this! I mean, the hurrican stuff is just as crazy and insane as her 9/11 stuff.

Perhaps neurologists can gain some insight into the physical causes of mental illness by studying Judy Wood's damaged brain?

 

[Macgyver1968]

Man that Judy Woods is a total idiot.

No...just mentally ill..there's a big difference.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Oh well...let's just show more examples of random pictures that mean something to Dr. Judy and no one else.

In this frame she shows us cars and trucks that were flipped over by tornadoes or hurricanes:

For some reason...the rust on these vehicles is supposed to mean something. We have no idea what...since she doesn't bother to explain it.

 

[BravesFan]

i think it proves that road salt definitely causes the iron and steel parts of cars to rust and the aluminium parts stay protected.

Then when cars flip over in storms or 'splosion, you get to see their naughty bits and verify this.


wait this is supposed to pertain to 9/11 somehow?

 

[minnemouse]

Facts...we need facts, gotta have the facts. Ms Blevins & any of the other deluded ones go about this discussion by ignoring the facts, but why do that? Why is it so important for them to ignore facts? I just can't understand why these people believe untested, undocumented, ordinary (most likely) examples of evidence are the true samples of a dark and sinister operation and nothing else matters (Including real, actual facts).

I luuuuuv facts, Mikillini But then again I´ve not been sampling any of those.... herbs that ms Blevin and her merry bunch (that the villages misses so much) apparently frequently sample

I am making (a more or less educated) guess that most of those that likes facts, physics and common sense dont sample those herbs on a daily basis either

What I meant though; dont ruin the fun by inserting anything that doesnt fit into Ms Wood and Ms Blevins comic book world (i.e facts, physics, radar technology, eyewitness testimony, or common sense!)

 

[Macgyver1968]

i think it proves that road salt definitely causes the iron and steel parts of cars to rust and the aluminium parts stay protected.

Then when cars flip over in storms or 'splosion, you get to see their naughty bits and verify this.


wait this is supposed to pertain to 9/11 somehow?

Well..the only problem BF, we don't use salt on our roads during the winter down here in the south. So it must be some sort of energy beam causing the rust to occur on specific parts of trucks. Noob.

 

[Macgyver1968]

I'm just waiting for a Dr. Judy supporter to explain to me these things. I know they can't...so they will ignore me.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Come on Jammy! why should I believe this crap? Stand up for your mentor!