9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[dudalb]

HBO did a very good dramtization of the Wannasee Conference called "Conspiracy" back around 2000.Very well done. They did not use the exact language of the conference but the dialogue they wrote for it does mirror what was said quite accurately, only made more viewable ,and it emphasized the use of euphamisms by the participents.
They went with the concept of the Conference as a mid level management meeting dealing with the details of genocide, and with Heydrich as the VIce President In Charge Of Extermination. Very well done, and Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich nails the character .

 

[9/11-investigator]

HBO did a very good dramtization of the Wannasee Conference called "Conspiracy" back around 2000.Very well done. They did not use the exact language of the conference but the dialogue they wrote for it does mirror what was said quite accurately, only made more viewable ,and it emphasized the use of euphamisms by the participents.

Dudalb knows this all because he was there, hiding under a table and trying to keep up with what was being said while writing everything down with his pencil.

Do you take yourself serious, dudalb?

They went with the concept of the Conference as a mid level management meeting dealing with the details of genocide, and with Heydrich as the VIce President In Charge Of Extermination. Very well done, and Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich nails the character .

Deportations that is.

 

[dtugg]

Of course, with this sort of "logic", it is no wonder he also thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

More specifically, he thinks it was an inside job done by the Mossad (real shocker, that the nazi thinks it was teh jooooos, huh). I've pointed out to him that it were done by the Mossad it wouldn't have been an inside job. But according to the nazi, teh joooooos control the United States Government, so there is no contradiction.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

They went with the concept of the Conference as a mid level management meeting dealing with the details of genocide, and with Heydrich as the VIce President In Charge Of Extermination. Very well done, and Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich nails the character .

Stanley Tucci as Eichmann was creepy as all hell too.

 

[Thunder]

This article came out today:

Auschwitz blueprints given to Israeli PM
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20090827/EU.Germany.Netanyahu.Auschwitz/

all fakes...drawn by Zionist agents at the AIA.

 

[Twiler]

Dudalb knows this all because he was there, hiding under a table and trying to keep up with what was being said while writing everything down with his pencil.

Do you take yourself serious, dudalb?




Deportations that is.

I didn't know you could fit that many trombones inside a cadillac!

 

[Think_Tank]

Dudalb knows this all because he was there, hiding under a table and trying to keep up with what was being said while writing everything down with his pencil.

A little like saying that you have no right to make speculations about 9/11 if you were not in New York at the time. And even then, it probably wouldn't count unless your vantage point could take in both WTC towers, the Pentagon and the field in which United 93 crashed.

I suppose it's too much to ask for you to treat all sources fairly.

ETA: I think Skeptic put this case more eloquently in post 1359.

 

[ddt]

Dudalb knows this all because he was there, hiding under a table and trying to keep up with what was being said while writing everything down with his pencil.

You missed the part where we have the minutes of the conference? You missed Eichmann's testimony?

Deportations that is.

Yeah, "deportations". Let's look at the last sentence of page 7 of the minutes. In English translation:

Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes.

Bolding mine.

And what was to become of the few survivors is made clear in the next sentence, top of page 8:

The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival

Again, bolding mine. There's only one conclusion possible from those words. Extermination was the goal set out at the Wannsee Konferenz. This goes also to the doubts cast by Uninvolved.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

You missed the part where we have the minutes of the conference? You missed Eichmann's testimony?

Oh, sure, you have your "actual minutes from the meetings" and "mountain of documents" and "tons of eyewitnesses" and "photos by the thousands" and "films shot by the Allies" and "admissions of major players" and "trial testimony" from hundreds of people, but they have . . .


um . . .

 

[ddt]

amateurish youtube videos!

 

[Chaos]

Oh, sure, you have your "actual minutes from the meetings" and "mountain of documents" and "tons of eyewitnesses" and "photos by the thousands" and "films shot by the Allies" and "admissions of major players" and "trial testimony" from hundreds of people, but they have . . .

...absolute certainty that their insane conspiracy theory is real. Beat that, dear reality.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You missed the part where we have the minutes of the conference? You missed Eichmann's testimony?

Yeah, "deportations". Let's look at the last sentence of page 7 of the minutes. In English translation:

Bolding mine.

And what was to become of the few survivors is made clear in the next sentence, top of page 8:

Again, bolding mine. There's only one conclusion possible from those words. Extermination was the goal set out at the Wannsee Konferenz. This goes also to the doubts cast by Uninvolved.

Well, 'documents' are not the alpha and omega. Papier is geduldig, paper is patient and easily produced. I mean, I can write a book of 500 pages that states that 19 muslims armed with box cutters hi-jacked 4 airplanes and used them as weapons. But that doesn't mean that that happened.

So who produced these Wannsee protokols?

Meet Robert Kempner, a Jewish chap, who had conveniently 'found' the Protokol somewhere between a pile of papers.

What do we know about this Kempner?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/index.html

Dr Robert M W Kempner was a lawyer in the Weimar-era Prussian Ministry of the Interior, in Berlin. When the Nazis came to office in 1933, he fled abroad, as a Jew; he settled in the United States, and returned in US Army uniform with the victorious Allied troops in 1945 he acted as assistant prosecutor, in charge of rebuttal cases, at the main International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg, to the evident distaste of chief prosecutor Robert H Jackson, who stated in writing that he had wanted no Jews on his team to avoid the impression the trials were a vengeance crusade.

Kempner made few friends at the main Nuremberg trial, 1945/46. He coerced witnesses like Friedrich Gaus, who testified on the authenticity of the Hitler-Stalin pact, with threats of deportation to Russia; he slipped a note to prosecutors cross-examining the witness Field-Marshal Erhard Milch urging them to investigate Milch's Jewish parentage; and he allowed the faking of movie and photographic evidence.

Kempner also stole numbers of original documents from the archives, and was Schlegelberger documentalmost certainly responsible for the attempt to conceal from posterity the March 1942 Schlegelberger Document, in which a hard-pressed Adolf Hitler ordered the postponement of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem until after the war.

Here the authenticity of the document is rejected:
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndwannsee.html

P.S. faking of documents took place recently in the US in order to get the war against Saddam started, see this CNN report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

I am completely unimpressed by this piece of paper called the Wannsee Protokols.

 

[oldhat]

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/index.html
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndwannsee.html

I see you're citing not only David Irving but also the ultra-prestigious Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust internet chatroom as sources.

 

[Twiler]

Well, 'documents' are not the alpha and omega. Papier is geduldig, paper is patient and easily produced. I mean, I can write a book of 500 pages that states that 19 muslims armed with box cutters hi-jacked 4 airplanes and used them as weapons. But that doesn't mean that that happened.

So who produced these Wannsee protokols?

Meet Robert Kempner, a Jewish chap, who had conveniently found the Protokol somewhere between papers.

What do we know about Kempner?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/index.html

Dr Robert M W Kempner was a lawyer in the Weimar-era Prussian Ministry of the Interior, in Berlin. When the Nazis came to office in 1933, he fled abroad, as a Jew; he settled in the United States, and returned in US Army uniform with the victorious Allied troops in 1945 he acted as assistant prosecutor, in charge of rebuttal cases, at the main International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg, to the evident distaste of chief prosecutor Robert H Jackson, who stated in writing that he had wanted no Jews on his team to avoid the impression the trials were a vengeance crusade.

Kempner made few friends at the main Nuremberg trial, 1945/46. He coerced witnesses like Friedrich Gaus, who testified on the authenticity of the Hitler-Stalin pact, with threats of deportation to Russia; he slipped a note to prosecutors cross-examining the witness Field-Marshal Erhard Milch urging them to investigate Milch's Jewish parentage; and he allowed the faking of movie and photographic evidence.

Kempner also stole numbers of original documents from the archives, and was Schlegelberger documentalmost certainly responsible for the attempt to conceal from posterity the March 1942 Schlegelberger Document, in which a hard-pressed Adolf Hitler ordered the postponement of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem until after the war.

Here the authenticity of the document is rejected:
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndwannsee.html

P.S. faking of documents took place recently in the US in order to get the war against Saddam started, see this CNN report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

I am completely unimpressed by this piece of paper called the Wannsee Protokols.

I see, I see. And what did you say to the police?

 

[ddt]

Well, 'documents' are not the alpha and omega. Papier is geduldig, paper is patient and easily produced. I mean, I can write a book of 500 pages that states that 19 muslims armed with box cutters hi-jacked 4 airplanes and used them as weapons. But that doesn't mean that that happened.

So who produced these Wannsee protokols?

You've ostensibly not been reading the thread. Eichmann made the minutes. He never challenged the authenticity. The complete transcript of his trial can be found on Nizkor.

Meet Robert Kempner, a Jewish chap, who had conveniently 'found' the Protokol somewhere between a pile of papers.

What do we know about this Kempner?

I fail to see the relevance of Kempner's role in the IMT. The Wannsee Protokol was found after the IMT was concluded.

Here the authenticity of the document is rejected:
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndwannsee.html

You may present your arguments here, or in a special thread about it. Just giving a link is not the way it's done around here.

 

[Thunder]

Oh, by the way, Yad Vashem has the names of at least 3 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

Debunk that, Nazis.

 

[Chaos]

Well, 'documents' are not the alpha and omega. Papier is geduldig, paper is patient and easily produced.

You mean, like a bunch of Nazi apologists can write books stating that the Holocaust never happened?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oh, by the way, Yad Vashem has the names of at least 3 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

Debunk that.

No they haven't. They have a database where everybody can add names and report them as missing. Most of my friends from highschool are likewise 'missing', I have no idea where they are and I very likely will not ever see them again, but that does not mean they are dead. That database is not serious, nobody is checking it and then you get situations like this:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/04/Holocaust_victims.html

If I had an axe to grind with the Germans (and many Jews have for obvious reasons) I could simply make up names and add them to the database.

But most important: missing is not equal dead/murdered.

 

[oldhat]

But most important: missing is not equal dead/murdered.

The parrot's not dead, he's just sleeping.

 

[Doctor Evil]

The parrot's not dead, he's just sleeping resting.

Fixed that for you.