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9/11: How they Faked the Videos
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You do understand what a circular argument is, right? The story of thousands of witnesses to an event that didn't occur, can only mean one thing; there were not thousands of witnesses.
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IN LOWER MANHATTEN AT 8:30 ON AN OTHERWISE NORMAL TUESDAY MORNING?!?!?!
Have you been to NYC ever? It's not a small new england fishing village anymore.
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Elagabalus
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Is that your circular argument or his?
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They witnessed small planes, no planes, and missiles. No one ever saw a jet fly through a steel skyscraper, because, as the damage evidence indicates, something else happened.
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His.
My conclusions are based on the lightly damaged aluminum sheeting and the progressively worse damaged steel cladding that was sharply bent in a completely different direction than the CGI jet was traveling.
Deadie
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And yet you cannot and will not provide any sort of calculation or even speculation as to the amount of damage a hypothetical 767 would have caused had they slammed into the sides of the WTC towers. If you cannot demonstrate this, then we are talking in circles. I asked you to do this 20 pages ago and you refused.
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It's not my claim, that's on you.
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If I took the time to make a video with all the large plane witnesses, would you watch it and listen? No. You would wave your hand.
I did make 2 videos in response to Ace Baker's masterpiece of disinfo "The Great American Psy-Opera." It's flash video on my website, so use Firefox and enable Flash. Watch "'What Planes?' asked Ace Baker." That scratches the surface, yet still may make your hand/arm tired.
If you aren't on any mind-altering substances, maybe you should try one.
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Deadie
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Not when you say a 767 could not have caused the damage observed. Math is always the ultimate CT kryptonite and you are a wonderful specimen. Thank you.
all talk, no evidence
In your fantasy world how did they fake the Radar data and all the videos? Details? Nope, you make it up, and are unable to say how all the video and Radar data matches in time. You never talked to anyone who took the videos, and you keep on the BS of it was not live. All the video was live, you don't seem to understand what live means WRT the time it was recorded.
When I take a video of my grandkids, it was taken live, there is no other way to take it. When I show it to you it is video of what was live at the time the video was taken. You mean you did not see it live, but the person taking it saw it/recorded it live.
If you can contact all the people who took the video, it will be discovered it had to live, there is no other reality. All the video was live as shot, you have no valid point to claim it was not live at time shot.
Your lies fail.
Your research sucks, you are not trained investigator, you are a fantasy monger who hates his government and fails to do more than push failed ideas about 9/11.
How did the FAA and NTSB fake the Radar data? You never explained in detail how this works.
How did the FAA and NTSB match the exact time to all the video recorded live? You can't explain the details, because you made up this lie.
Do you understand all video is live when shot? You can't shot video unless you are live.
You never explained how all the video shot live/recorded matches in perspective and time if it was faked. Why can't you give details how the perspectives all match in time and space? Are you a video/photo/perspective expert? NO
Spewing lies about 9/11 will not stop wars. Spewing lies about missiles doing the damage at the WTC on 9/11 only makes people see you are spreading lies about 9/11.
Are you upset we killed UBL? Why do you apologize for 19 terrorists who murdered thousands on 9/11. Right you lie and claim no one died on 9/11. Go ahead, go up to the families and say missiles did it, tape it live/record, and show us what happens when you lie to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11.
Flight 11 and 175 flew into the WTC, you claim it was missiles, and can't produce the physics behind such a fantasy claim. You failed to do the energy of the impacts. Energy of the impacts were equal in energy to 1300 and 2093 pounds of TNT. When an aircraft hits with that energy and energy concentrated the shape of the aircraft used, it does exactly the damage seen on video, and in photos. Anyone can figure out the energy, except you.
One study, which you fail to acknowledge, shows the WTC shell can stop an aircraft going 200 to 250 mph. The planes on 9/11 were going faster than what it takes to break the shell of the WTC, and you ignore science and rant about stopping wars, as you LIE and and mock the murder of thousands.
Physics exposes you as a simple liar, too busy spreading lies to do the math and physics. Too busy spreading lies to comprehend studies. Too busy spreading lies and blaming 9/11 on people you can't name, and blaming people without evidence, all in the name to stop wars.
You will not be taken seriously by rational people spreading lies about 9/11, you anti-war effort is ignored because your claims are insane.
The 19 terrorists paid for tickets to fly, and five bucks for knives.
What is the budget for your epic lies about 9/11?
How much does it cost to fake video?
Were the people killed who took the videos that were faked?
How much did all the various videos faked cost to fake and match in time and space as seen? Billions of dollars, or millions?
Who paid off all the witnesses to lie to make your sick fantasy in your mind?
How much does it cost to keep people quiet for all these years?
How do you make the FAA and NTSB fake Radar, FDRs, and more?
How do you fake the recording of the crews phone calls, and ATC tapes of the pilots being killed, and the CVR?
Who paid off the ATC controllers?
How did they fake the fires?
You lie about dust, how much does that cost to fake?
You lies about missiles, what did that cost to do?
It would be cheaper to hire UBL to recruit 19 idiots and hijack aircraft. Your sick fantasy plot you fail to detail, would cost billions, or required thousands to be killed to keep it a secret.
Do you try to use logic and evidence? NO, you look at photos and make up lies.
Cost of 9/11 by 19 terrorists
Room and board
Airline tickets
Flight training
Knives
Most likely less than 500,000 dollars
Cost of your fantasy version, most likely over a 1,000,000,000, Billions.
Things that debunk your demented fantasy of missiles.
1. Video
2. RADAR
3. Eye witnesses you failed to interview
4. No missiles missing or ordered to do your sick fantasy
5. Two Jet Fuel fireballs, exactly like what you get in a ~500 knot impact with 60,000 pounds of jet fuel. This alone debunks your missile fantasy.
6. Jet engine found exactly where it would be after running through the WTC tower.
7. Personal items of people on Flt 11 and 175.
8. DNA from people on the aircraft and in the towers
9. No missile parts found, no engines, no debris.
... everything debunks your lies of missiles and fake video.
Better stick with Bigfoot, you can use the same evidence you have for 9/11, nothing but fantasy.
Shot before a live audience on 9/11. The issue of "live", is BS. I think you got problems with live, which does not help your sick fantasy.
You get banned at blogs and forums because you post nonsense which is based on fantasy, NOT Evidence. You offer BS comments about photos, and what can't happen and you are not an expert, and can't back up your claims with evidence, logic, and science.
What is the purpose of showing the F-4 Crash test into a concrete structure designed to protect a Nuke Reactor, or something needing maximum protection. There is no comparing the F-4 impact to the impact of 757s at the WTC to help your fantasy missile lie. The F-4 crash is great for showing what happens in a high speed impact of an aircraft to show how an aircraft is destroyed and does not look like the landing accidents and other aircraft accidents as slow speed below 250 knots. Similar outcomes from high speed impacts with ground seen in USAF accident reports, leave little trace of what looks like an aircraft.
One of the major problems in your education, is lack of physics. You have a failed idea aluminum aircraft at not worthy of being called mass. You completely ignore the large hole in the WTC where the engines keep going smashing the WTC shell, and the landing gear (one of the strongest object in the aircraft) also broke into the WTC.
The mass of the aircraft which broke the WTC was the "hollow fuselage", engines, landing gear, people, luggage, mail, fuel, engine oil, hydraulic fluid, instruments, radios, and all the other things on the aircraft. The mass of the 757 and contents is what broke the WTC shell at over 500 mph. What is that, over 800 feet a second? The WTC is 207 feet wide, and the aircraft can transverse that distance in ~.26 second, but a little longer when hitting the WTC. Imagine 800 feet per second, go, and in a second the entire plane is 800 feet away. The energy involved does not double with speed, it quadruples. This physics law is what you fail to consider, but your grandkids might take physics and see you spread lies, big dumb lies.
All you do is talk, offering no evidence. No physics, only fantasy and lies.
In your fantasy world how did they fake the Radar data and all the videos? Details? Nope, you make it up, and are unable to say how all the video and Radar data matches in time. You never talked to anyone who took the videos, and you keep on the BS of it was not live. All the video was live, you don't seem to understand what live means WRT the time it was recorded.
When I take a video of my grandkids, it was taken live, there is no other way to take it. When I show it to you it is video of what was live at the time the video was taken. You mean you did not see it live, but the person taking it saw it/recorded it live.
If you can contact all the people who took the video, it will be discovered it had to live, there is no other reality. All the video was live as shot, you have no valid point to claim it was not live at time shot.
Your lies fail.
Your research sucks, you are not trained investigator, you are a fantasy monger who hates his government and fails to do more than push failed ideas about 9/11.
How did the FAA and NTSB fake the Radar data? You never explained in detail how this works.
How did the FAA and NTSB match the exact time to all the video recorded live? You can't explain the details, because you made up this lie.
Do you understand all video is live when shot? You can't shot video unless you are live.
You never explained how all the video shot live/recorded matches in perspective and time if it was faked. Why can't you give details how the perspectives all match in time and space? Are you a video/photo/perspective expert? NO
Spewing lies about 9/11 will not stop wars. Spewing lies about missiles doing the damage at the WTC on 9/11 only makes people see you are spreading lies about 9/11.
Are you upset we killed UBL? Why do you apologize for 19 terrorists who murdered thousands on 9/11. Right you lie and claim no one died on 9/11. Go ahead, go up to the families and say missiles did it, tape it live/record, and show us what happens when you lie to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11.
Flight 11 and 175 flew into the WTC, you claim it was missiles, and can't produce the physics behind such a fantasy claim. You failed to do the energy of the impacts. Energy of the impacts were equal in energy to 1300 and 2093 pounds of TNT. When an aircraft hits with that energy and energy concentrated the shape of the aircraft used, it does exactly the damage seen on video, and in photos. Anyone can figure out the energy, except you.
One study, which you fail to acknowledge, shows the WTC shell can stop an aircraft going 200 to 250 mph. The planes on 9/11 were going faster than what it takes to break the shell of the WTC, and you ignore science and rant about stopping wars, as you LIE and and mock the murder of thousands.
Physics exposes you as a simple liar, too busy spreading lies to do the math and physics. Too busy spreading lies to comprehend studies. Too busy spreading lies and blaming 9/11 on people you can't name, and blaming people without evidence, all in the name to stop wars.
You will not be taken seriously by rational people spreading lies about 9/11, you anti-war effort is ignored because your claims are insane.
The 19 terrorists paid for tickets to fly, and five bucks for knives.
What is the budget for your epic lies about 9/11?
How much does it cost to fake video?
Were the people killed who took the videos that were faked?
How much did all the various videos faked cost to fake and match in time and space as seen? Billions of dollars, or millions?
Who paid off all the witnesses to lie to make your sick fantasy in your mind?
How much does it cost to keep people quiet for all these years?
How do you make the FAA and NTSB fake Radar, FDRs, and more?
How do you fake the recording of the crews phone calls, and ATC tapes of the pilots being killed, and the CVR?
Who paid off the ATC controllers?
How did they fake the fires?
You lie about dust, how much does that cost to fake?
You lies about missiles, what did that cost to do?
It would be cheaper to hire UBL to recruit 19 idiots and hijack aircraft. Your sick fantasy plot you fail to detail, would cost billions, or required thousands to be killed to keep it a secret.
Do you try to use logic and evidence? NO, you look at photos and make up lies.
Cost of 9/11 by 19 terrorists
Room and board
Airline tickets
Flight training
Knives
Most likely less than 500,000 dollars
Cost of your fantasy version, most likely over a 1,000,000,000, Billions.
Things that debunk your demented fantasy of missiles.
1. Video
2. RADAR
3. Eye witnesses you failed to interview
4. No missiles missing or ordered to do your sick fantasy
5. Two Jet Fuel fireballs, exactly like what you get in a ~500 knot impact with 60,000 pounds of jet fuel. This alone debunks your missile fantasy.
6. Jet engine found exactly where it would be after running through the WTC tower.
7. Personal items of people on Flt 11 and 175.
8. DNA from people on the aircraft and in the towers
9. No missile parts found, no engines, no debris.
... everything debunks your lies of missiles and fake video.
Better stick with Bigfoot, you can use the same evidence you have for 9/11, nothing but fantasy.
Shot before a live audience on 9/11. The issue of "live", is BS. I think you got problems with live, which does not help your sick fantasy.
You get banned at blogs and forums because you post nonsense which is based on fantasy, NOT Evidence. You offer BS comments about photos, and what can't happen and you are not an expert, and can't back up your claims with evidence, logic, and science.
What is the purpose of showing the F-4 Crash test into a concrete structure designed to protect a Nuke Reactor, or something needing maximum protection. There is no comparing the F-4 impact to the impact of 757s at the WTC to help your fantasy missile lie. The F-4 crash is great for showing what happens in a high speed impact of an aircraft to show how an aircraft is destroyed and does not look like the landing accidents and other aircraft accidents as slow speed below 250 knots. Similar outcomes from high speed impacts with ground seen in USAF accident reports, leave little trace of what looks like an aircraft.
One of the major problems in your education, is lack of physics. You have a failed idea aluminum aircraft at not worthy of being called mass. You completely ignore the large hole in the WTC where the engines keep going smashing the WTC shell, and the landing gear (one of the strongest object in the aircraft) also broke into the WTC.
The mass of the aircraft which broke the WTC was the "hollow fuselage", engines, landing gear, people, luggage, mail, fuel, engine oil, hydraulic fluid, instruments, radios, and all the other things on the aircraft. The mass of the 757 and contents is what broke the WTC shell at over 500 mph. What is that, over 800 feet a second? The WTC is 207 feet wide, and the aircraft can transverse that distance in ~.26 second, but a little longer when hitting the WTC. Imagine 800 feet per second, go, and in a second the entire plane is 800 feet away. The energy involved does not double with speed, it quadruples. This physics law is what you fail to consider, but your grandkids might take physics and see you spread lies, big dumb lies.
All you do is talk, offering no evidence. No physics, only fantasy and lies.
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The Oxidation effect on the Aluminum had to have been faked it shows a large Aluminum object impacted it hard enough to cause an Oxidation event.
If they faked the white flashes caused by oxidation of aluminum dust in air then your evidence is faked as well!
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Once again, this is on you. No one has provided the math to prove a plane could to it. Ever. You are basing your entire conclusion on the television show, which the evidence I keep pointing to, proves didn't happen. If you want to make a math problem out of it, have at it. You'll be the first.
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The impact evidence proves the videos were faked. Using them as proof of something is a circular argument.
BStrong
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Sorry NCM, the no planes theory is not based on reality, it's based on poorly written science fiction.
Kind of like an aspiring painter that can't paint the human form.
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Funny, because from what I can tell, it's been kicking Skeptic butt.
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