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9/11 CTs in general

Andreaz:

Where did I accuse you of being a fake. I merely said that you just missed him, which was very unlucky for you as a believer in "no planes" as he also believes this, and you would have had someone to back up your ideas on this. Plus, as he is a "Beam Weapon" believer, you could have had discussions with him on this area.

TAM:)
 
ref: But still I understand ;) And no, I am not crazy. I just read this weapon theory and thought it was a load of crap.

Well. There is just to much to reply on and I can't reply to all of it in detail, so I'll try to cover most of it. Regarding the video(s):

The shot shown on CNN is different than the one on fox. Look closely. The image is a close-up of the fox-version. It just happens to zoom in on an already existing shot, so the CNN banner covers the nose-out thing? Well... And Fox btw. replaced the shot of the emerging nose of the plane with some different image, but the same audio track.

And the micro-precision match is quite sufficient... Compare the frames for yourself. It's exactly the same object, grainy or not... And comparing this to landing gear is crazy.

One thing in general... I have been reading a lot of stuff and watched a lot of videos and came across this forum, where people got bashed, most likely because people are just sick of the discussion.

I would not call myself a 'troother' or whatever names you have for people who try to see things from a different perspective.

About the no-planes thing: I am sure that people are so convinced of this story that they would never ever doubt that 'fact'. I won't give you a quick walkthrough, because there is just too much information and I wouldn't know how to sum it up in a few sentences. Just too many details...

Whoever wants to watch it, will... And I would be glad to read any kind of criticism on that. The main point of the video is not only the banner... There are numerous things... Whoever took the time to watch it, I'd be glad to read his or her comment.
 
Why can't we get any half-decent opposition here???

From under which rock do these no-planers originate?
 
Take the time to watch the damn video, then you'll know why I registered here. What's so hard about that?

Which is exactly the reason why I want you to take a look.

One question to Mr. Newton: Why are there pictures of the columns being cut? Fake? It was in our newspaper.
 
Hm. Probably different markets. Japan and germany had those TFT cellphones way earlier.

Anyway, my mistake in that case.
 
andreasz said:
The shot shown on CNN is different than the one on fox. Look closely. The image is a close-up of the fox-version.
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Gee, maybe because it was two different cameras on top of the same building? That building gives you the best view of the WTC towers, so it is little surprise that most TV crews would have send crews there for the best shots.

Or do you think all the stations were all working off one feed?

It just happens to zoom in on an already existing shot, so the CNN banner covers the nose-out thing? Well... And Fox btw. replaced the shot of the emerging nose of the plane with some different image, but the same audio track.

And the micro-precision match is quite sufficient... Compare the frames for yourself. It's exactly the same object, grainy or not... And comparing this to landing gear is crazy.
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At this point you have no right to call anything 'crazy'.

One thing in general... I have been reading a lot of stuff and watched a lot of videos and came across this forum, where people got bashed, most likely because people are just sick of the discussion.

I would not call myself a 'troother' or whatever names you have for people who try to see things from a different perspective.
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'A different perspective' would be one thing, this is out and out complete nonsense. You are accusing thousands of people of being liars, accusing people of altering their videos, accusing every major media center of being in on a plot to kill thousands of their fellow citizens. That's not a different perspective, that's mumbo-jumbo of mixed bag craziness.

About the no-planes thing: I am sure that people are so convinced of this story that they would never ever doubt that 'fact'. I won't give you a quick walkthrough, because there is just too much information and I wouldn't know how to sum it up in a few sentences. Just too many details...
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No there aren't. Nothing you can provide will account for the thousands of eyewitnesses. You also are incapable of providing a video showing no plane but still the explosion. If what you claim is true, there should be dozens of videos with no plane. Why is this not the case?

Oh! Because this whole theory is insane!
 
One more thing I remember from that Zeitgeist movie... A lot of nonsense, especially the part about german history... But this movie also makes some good points...

Why were Cheney and Bush not under oath? Why weren't there any transcripts allowed? Why was it on there terms, that they appear together?

There are sooo many things that made me doubt the official explanation. Otherwise I wouldn't put myself on the line like this ;) People who are bothered by this discussion don't need to answer...

I was pretty amazed by certain parts of these videos... All I want, is an opinion, or some well-founded criticism.
 
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andreasz said:
... All I want, is an opinion, or some well-founded criticism.
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Here's some criticism: THE VIDEO IS BASICALLY CLAIMING THAT THOUSANDS OF NYC CITIZENS ARE LIARS!

I don't need to do anymore. Anything else is measuring pins with micrometers to determine how many angels can dance on them.
 
kookbreaker said:
No there aren't. Nothing you can provide will account for the thousands of eyewitnesses. You also are incapable of providing a video showing no plane but still the explosion. If what you claim is true, there should be dozens of videos with no plane. Why is this not the case?
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It actually is the case. There is a video showing exactly that. There is one 'lucky shot' of that hit the WTC. I have to look myself, which one it was. I will get back to you and let you know what video and what time.

Also, there is a video showing some object approach the WTC. Covered up manually with sky background. I was able to find exactly that thing on my tape at home...

I'll just look into it and let you know. Give me a sec.
 
How did they fake the personal videos. I know of and have watched two that have never been seen on TV or the internet. One was taken from world financial right next to the towers. That's on big ass plane to miss.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_gdCrmbrIg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-RCpdy9tw


I can't find the single YouTube with all 40+ videos, but this has many of them.


andreasz, if you believe that no planes hit the towers, you necessarily believe in a huge, intricate conspiracy, involving the airlines, the U.S. and other governments, and news organizations from many different countries. All these people would have required a compelling motive. There were thousands of people who saw the the second plane. There was DNA evidence, other forensic evidence. Do you believe in a huge conspiracy--involving literally tens of thousands of people?
 
andreasz said:
The shot shown on CNN is different than the one on fox. Look closely. The image is a close-up of the fox-version. It just happens to zoom in on an already existing shot, so the CNN banner covers the nose-out thing? Well... And Fox btw. replaced the shot of the emerging nose of the plane with some different image, but the same audio track.
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Well, it's perfectly simple. The New World Order knew that their fake video was no good, so they decided to cover up the defect in the video, but because they're complete frickin' retards, they decided to release the flawed version as well. What you have to remember, you see, is that they're so amazingly dumb that they do everything in the stupidest possible way.

I mean, what you have to remember about these idiots is that they're the kind of people who wanted to deceive the public into thinking that terrorists had flown planes into the Twin Towers, and never hit on the idea of flying planes into the Twin Towers and blaming terrorists.

Evidently they dreamed up the most idiotic conspiracy in the history of the world ... well, either that or the Truth Movement dreamed up the most idiotic conspiracy theory in the history of the world.
 
A-Train said:
Here's a video that will cause you to drop the No Plane Theory, and instead embrace the No Human Pilot Theory:
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Well... This one actually embraces my theory in both ways... Not exactly my theory but the one I adapted.

Please explain:

There were tons of videos showing a straight horizontal approach whereas your video shows a deep dive. How is that possible?

Plane was not controlled at all? Well... Plane wasn't there at all, which would also explain the unbelievable maneuvre...
 
andreasz said:
Take the time to watch the damn video, then you'll know why I registered here. What's so hard about that?
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Watched.

Still the only explanation I can come up with as to why twoofers register here is they really enjoy making spectacles of themselves. A simple search will show that these topics have been covered to hell and back, but that doesn't stop a new thread with THE PROOF THAT WILL FINALLY CONVINCE YOU CLOSE-MINDED SKEPTICS from popping up from a new guy before the e-ink on the ban paperwork from the last one has dried.

It's not that it's any easier to rehash the same garbage over and over again, but just reading old threads about the skeptical viewpoint doesn't draw any attention to one's self. Unlike, say, dredging up something and pretending that it's a topic we refuse to acknowledge since we can't answer it.

So go on and continue to tell yourself that watching stupid youtube videos made by those who have predisposed agendas when they make them is more credible than thousands of witnesses and every bit of verifiable scientific evidence that can be applied to the situation. Continue to associate with people who ignore any shred of evidence that might debunk their own personal theory, and whose theories change by the minute in order to put a new mirror over the massive holes in their previous ones. Because that... in a nutshell... is "the truth movement."

But we're the close-minded ones. :rolleyes:
 
calebprime: That's what is actually shocking me the most. There are so many people involved in this, that it really gets me scared.

And there's a simple reason why people would do that... 'money'.

But that's by far too complex, and I am really hoping that this situation will resolve itself... There are so many questions unanswered.. Although this has happened 6 years ago.
 
andreasz said:
Well... This one actually embraces my theory in both ways... Not exactly my theory but the one I adapted.

Please explain:

There were tons of videos showing a straight horizontal approach whereas your video shows a deep dive. How is that possible?

Plane was not controlled at all? Well... Plane wasn't there at all, which would also explain the unbelievable maneuvre...
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Do you believe in other conspiracies, like JFK, Apollo Hoax or AIDS conspiracy?

Just checking.
 
I am actually a conspiracy virgin ;) I do believe that there are definitely certain things that are kept from the people and that people don't need to know. For the greater good. But there are also things that are kept from us that shouldn't be.

But about the AIDS conspiracy and JFK... That's guessworking in my opinion
 
andreasz said:
calebprime: That's what is actually shocking me the most. There are so many people involved in this, that it really gets me scared.

And there's a simple reason why people would do that... 'money'.
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OK, you figured us out. Here, I'll cut you a check, how much for you to keep quiet about this?

$1000?
$10,000?
$100,000?
$1,000,000?

C'mon man, what's you bribe threshold to keep quiet about this?

Oh, you don't have one? You don't have a money level to keep quiet about the murder of 3,000 people who aren't even citizens of your country?

Then why do you think that thousands of people can be bribed to cover up the deaths of thousands of their fellow citizens? What makes you so 'pure'?
 
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