8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[Childlike Empress]

No CE, YOU SAY SO. You keep arguing that witnesses somehow do not support a plane hitting the Pentagon cause it went NoC, when almost every one of the witnesses in a position to do so say it hit the Pentagon. So put up an eyewitness that says it did not. Otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time with irrational hyperbole.

Blast from the past:

Now, Farmer. Go to page 1 of this thread where i entered the discussion by pointing out what Caustic Logic's theory implies (the witnesses are part of a disinfo operation).

In post #19 i first embedded "NSA" as an answer to post #13 by BCR - i didn't know that he was "John Farmer" and as such deeply familiar with the argument. Here is his post, judge yourself about his honesty:

Who are the 8? I only know of two who were at the Citgo. One was leaning in his car and the other ran inside after pooping on himself. Please source the other 6, I'd really like to hear their accounts.

 

[BCR]

Blast from the past:

Okay CE, but they all say the plane hit the Pentagon. So what's your point?

Is there a point? And yes, only 2 were at the Citgo station.

 

[BCR]

CE, the title of this thread is "8 out of 8 at Citgo station". I know of only two witnesses located at the Citgo station. I am still waiting to hear from the other 6 ... I really would like to hear their accounts

 

[Childlike Empress]

CE, the title of this thread is "8 out of 8 at Citgo station". I know of only two witnesses located at the Citgo station. I am still waiting to hear from the other 6 ... I really would like to hear their accounts

Lagasse, Brooks, Turcios. Oh, I forgot that achimspok has proven that Turcios wasn't there. How could I ignore that pixel.

 

[BCR]

Lagasse, Brooks, Turcios. Oh, I forgot that achimspok has proven that Turcios wasn't there. How could I ignore that pixel.

Actually, Brooks was not at the Citgo. Lagasse and Turcios were. There were others at the Citgo, but CIT does not know their names so we won't talk about them. Lagasse did not have "eyes in the back of his head" but was facing towards his car (southeast) and yet claims to have seen a plane behind him (north, northwest). Turcios claims he saw the plane cross over a tree, but he could not see the tree from his location. Turcios says he ran up the embankment, but Turcios ran like a scalded cat into the Citgo station.

Oh my, who to believe, who to believe

 

[Childlike Empress]

Actually, Brooks was not at the Citgo. Lagasse and Turcios were.

Ah, he was at the parking lot, not directly at the station. Nice piece of sophistry there, Farmer. But Turcios was there? Don't let Achim hear that.

 

[BCR]

No CE, he was not in the Citgo parking lot, he was on the other side of Joyce Street in a parking lot. Not at the Citgo. Keep it straight.

 

[BCR]

Why are you posting a video CE? We know were Brooks was. We have him on audio long before CIT ever heard of him. In the CIT 'production', he is filmed in the parking lot west of the Citgo. There is nothing to debate on this point. He was not at the Citgo when the plane flew by.

 

[BCR]

And by the way, you can post links to CIT video all you want. It is a waste of time because none of us are going to watch it. We have been doing this for almost 4 years now and pretty much know every word and syllable that has ever eminated from Lagasse, Brooks, Turcios, Paik, etc, ad nauseam. A number of them I've spoken with personally, so I don't even need to watch some CIT fantasy piece.

Only two were at the Citgo when the plane passed and were video-taped, so we don't need CIT or anyone else to tell us what they did and where they were because we can watch them for ourselves (that is if anyone cares to get the original video instead of relying on the bad YouTube versions).

 

[BCR]

Contrary to CIT Farmer doesn't make his work public. He asks you to rely on his word.

Wrong CE, everything I've done has been put into the public domain. The one exception is I don't share the names and information of people I talk to unless they have something additional to add to the storyline. We have a rather complete picture with the eyewitnesses in the public domain already.

And that is CIT's fault. When they started going around harassing old men and calling them 'accomplice to murder' and upsetting pregnant women, I decided not to expose witnesses to such scrutiny. I of course will be adding 3 new witnesses in my book by name, but that is only because they offer something of significance. I'm not going to subject people to the lunacy that is CIT unnecessarily.

However, I did add Paik's brother to the public record (CIT did not because he is the one who first told us that Paik was inside the station and verified the 'damage' to the VDOT/VSP antenna), but he was known to them anyways. I added an additional eyewitness (Romon Navorio) at Walter Reed and Columbia Pike to back up the ACPD dispatch audio (an officer, Barry Foust was at the intersection at the time of fly-over and broadcasted a report from there) and Linda Plaisted (who claimed the plane flew over her house).

So why subject new folks to people like you who will just attempt to malign their character on internet forums when we have plenty as it is. You can claim Paik and Morin are NoC witnesses all day long, but both are clear to everyone else in the world with half-a-brain, SoC witnesses. You completely dismiss Madelyn Zakhem because you don't like what she has to say, but I forgot, CIT thinks she is 'in on it' cause she is a Jew.

I've got a whole GE map full of eyewitnesses ranging from home-makers to pilots who saw the plane fly straight down Columbia Pike and into the Pentagon, but you and CIT just wave them away because they don't support your insanity, so why bother adding anyone else to the mix?

I might mention a few of the 'unknowns' in my book, but I doubt it because I don't need them. However, everyone I've talked to who was there (including some that you have mentioned) and who could actually see the event claim the plane slammed into the side of the Pentagon. So what more does anyone need? Not one person that I (or CIT) talked to claims the plane did not hit the Pentagon.

 

[Childlike Empress]

However, I did add Paik's brother to the public record (CIT did not because he is the one who first told us that Paik was inside the station and verified the 'damage' to the VDOT/VSP antenna), but he was known to them anyways.

This is a typical 180° distortion because the admitted confusion about if Paik was in- or outside originated with Shinki describing his brother outside the building, as reported by CIT at the time, long before Farmer and his buddy Larson confirmed that Ed is a NoC witness:



So instead of putting this controversy to rest, as Farmer could easily do if what he writes above is true, he asks us to rely on his word and buy his book.

 

[BCR]

This is a typical 180° distortion because the admitted confusion about if Paik was in- or outside originated with Shinki describing his brother outside the building, as reported by CIT at the time, long before Farmer and his buddy Larson confirmed that Ed is a NoC witness:



So instead of putting this controversy to rest, as Farmer could easily do if what he writes above is true, he asks us to rely on his word and buy his book.

Wrong again CE, I never asked anyone to take my word for anything. What I said was, there are plenty of eyewitnesses already and CIT is guilty of witness tampering and harassment (at the least), you keep changing the subject to deflect from the central issue. ALL of the eyewitnesses who could see, claim they saw the plane hit the Pentagon. So put up or shut up. Paik NEVER said he was outside when the plane went over. And now you have his brother saying on the record that he was inside, while he told me (recorded by the way and made public) and others that he was inside. So which is it CE, was he telling the truth then or now? Is Paik lying about being inside when he saw the plane go over? Which is it CE? Stop deflecting the issue. They did not include Shinki in their original release. Neither did they include the assertion by both brothers that the plane bent the VDOT/VSP antenna. A claim that included a crane being at the tower afterwards to replace the bent antenna which we later confirmed using satellite imagery from the 13th.

So come back and talk to me when you find a witness that says the plane did not hit the Pentagon. I have not found that witness yet and nor has CIT.

And oh by the way, my publisher would love for you to buy the book when it comes out, but I'm writing it for my children so I could care less one way or the other. I've already spent more on research than I could ever hope to recover from a book on a topic that no one cares about any more. If I ever find that fly-over witness, I'll be more than happy to share that person with the public. He (or she) would be CIT's hero so no danger of them maligning the persons character.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Nope Farmer, i'm not buying. There's nothing in your posts that would enable readers to check your words. Curious, isn't it. There are only your words and I know from experience that they aren't reliable. Like shown above.

Still not a single SoC witness.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Lagasse, Brooks, Turcios. Oh, I forgot that achimspok has proven that Turcios wasn't there. How could I ignore that pixel.

Chad was not at the Citgo but in a car park behind and to the south of it. Stop lying

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Lagasse, Brooks, Turcios. Oh, I forgot that achimspok has proven that Turcios wasn't there. How could I ignore that pixel.

Turcious? Well even though we see on the gas station video that he is not where he said he was, there is the little problem off......

he could not possibly have seen the plane till it was past him nor run to the berm in the second or so it would have taken the plane to hit the building.
Nor does he say he saw a flyover...........

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Nope Farmer, i'm not buying. There's nothing in your posts that would enable readers to check your words. Curious, isn't it. There are only your words and I know from experience that they aren't reliable. Like shown above.

Still not a single SoC witness.

Apart from Morin, Zakhem and Lloyde England..........and thats just of the people we know CIT interviewed

CR telling a lie over and over again does not make it true.
I wonder why you do that............
How do you feel about your parents?

 

[BCR]

Nope Farmer, i'm not buying. There's nothing in your posts that would enable readers to check your words. Curious, isn't it. There are only your words and I know from experience that they aren't reliable. Like shown above.

Still not a single SoC witness.

Oh darn CE, do you really have a straight face on when you write stuff like that? Quit deflecting and show us the eyewitness that claims the plane did not hit the Pentagon. In the meantime, do a search of my JREF posts. My words are backed up plenty

 

[Arus808]

repeated images...ce will not bend. he's been denying reality since 2001 .. why do you guys feed him?

 

[LashL]

Stop the bickering and personalization; do not import arguments from other forums; and stick to the subject matter of the thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Childlike Empress]

CE have you noticed that NO ONE is agreeing with you......wonder why that is.
Could it be that even the Lurkers realize that you are simply wrong?

This is indeed an interesting fact.

Let's recapitulate what happened the last days.

Ronald Wieck befriends Jeff Hill and a bunch of truthers. They show him a video by YougeneDebs which he buys hook, line and sinker. He enthusiastically mails it to his big debunker friends.

LashL gets the memo and posts it here and in at least one other thread, maybe without even having watched it, relying on Ron's recommendation.

I come along, watch it and immediately spot the deception - because I have watched the witness testimony and the video only works if people haven't done so. I slam-dunk debunk it, but intentionally in a way that's only obvious for people who are familiar with the argument.

I proclaim that my debunk will stand. Some bare assertions by people who don't know what they are talking about ensue.

I explicitly challenge Ron's debunker friends to raise their voices if they see anything wrong with my debunk. None show up.

achimspok comes along and completely failing to debunk my debunk. I force him into a series of concessions while making my debunk more explicit in the process.

The truther who produced the video gets asked by Ron to defend his work against my debunk. YougeneDebs doesn't deliver.

My debunk still stands firm.

AND YET NOBODY AGREES WITH ME.

Why is that, sheeplesnshills? Certainly not because i'm wrong.