8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[Childlike Empress]

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[little grey rabbit]

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thanks for your help

 

[Caustic Logic]

thanks for your help

They have a lot of it in text at their CIT forum, if that's still up and around. An amazing display of words and reality dancing past each other frantically but never meeting. But for an outsider view, a good partion of their overall info is tracked and analyzed in various articles linked together here.

As you can see from scanning just a few of those links, their nonsense does not hold up under scrutiny. Not in the slightest, the clowns.

 

[little grey rabbit]

They have a lot of it in text at their CIT forum, if that's still up and around. An amazing display of words and reality dancing past each other frantically but never meeting. But for an outsider view, a good partion of their overall info is tracked and analyzed in various articles linked together here.

As you can see from scanning just a few of those links, their nonsense does not hold up under scrutiny. Not in the slightest, the clowns.

CL. I haven't had time to look at it yet, so I will have to suspend judgement. Generally I steer clear of 9/11 stuff because I believe it is an internal American matter if they want to butcher 3000 of their civilians - I honestly really pay very little attention to it.

However, in general I believe where there is a lot of smoke there is usually a fire lurking in there somewhere - although it can be difficult to spot.

GlennB can you help me

Where exactly is this photo supposed to have been taken, eg which ring inside or outside. Is that the hole the plane is supposed to made or is some access hole made to clear debris?

 

[GlennB]

Where exactly is this photo supposed to have been taken, eg which ring inside or outside. Is that the hole the plane is supposed to made or is some access hole made to clear debris?

It's between the B and C rings, and is essentially an alleyway, also referred to as the A-E drive. The hole is also often referred to as the 'punchout hole', being where landing gear and other debris from AA77 passed through the building as far as this brick wall and penetrated it.

The hole was substantial but was enlarged and tidied up somewhat during early rescue efforts. You'll also notice a line-of-sight from here to the outer (impact) wall. It was open plan down at that level.

More info and photos here (a CT site), but if you Google pentagon, punchout, damage path etc you'll find a mountain of references. In particular the number and nature of damaged internal columns funnelling towards this hole gives the lie to any idea that the visible damage was caused by explosives planted on the outside wall. I'll see if I can locate those graphics ...

eta: for example, here's the damage path analysis -

There are similar graphics detailing the locations of human remains.

 

[funk de fino]

Thunder, on page one you find a video called "National Security Alert". I suggest you watch it and read the thread if you are interested in the topic.

No, the pictures of the "exit hole" don't show identifiable plane debris.

Once again you prove yourself to be a bare faced liar.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

=Childlike Empress;6796656]Which explains why both Morin and Middleton report it closer to themselves as it really flew. Seeing a "bad ass" (Prather) plane flying right in front of your nose isn't an every day experience.

very good! Yes Morin report it closer than it was except it was further to his south not north.....ie right where it is supposed to be. So no real surprise there.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

=Childlike Empress;6796682]Makes no sense. Eighter it's capable of penetrating the walls and cause the "exit hole" - then it would still be there,

you expect what to be there? An intact plane??????? Whatever hit the pall would have looked nothing like a plane anymore. It may well have been a shotgun affect of small but dense chunks of wreckage. Destroying that wall but little getting through.

which it isn't. Or it's not capable of penetrating and disappeared in a rain of debris

why not?

- which never hit the pentalawn and couldn't cause the "exit hole". What happened to the engines?

The lawn is covered in small debris. The vector for the KE was toward the building so anything inelastic (like Al and limestone/concrete is going to bounce back much.
One engine is outside and the other inside the building. Or rather the cores are as they are the only parts tough enough to remain somewhat intact in such an impact.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Thunder, on page one you find a video called "National Security Alert". I suggest you watch it and read the thread if you are interested in the topic.

No, the pictures of the "exit hole" don't show identifiable plane debris.

why do you think that they should?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Interesting that your rant doesn't contain a single SoC witness. Quelle surprise. If you don't like the thread, don't let the door hit you.

I've listed several which you just hand wave away......just like CIT did

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Tschö.

Still waiting for you to tell us, is your line the top, bottom or middle of the aircraft. Do you know how tall a 757 is? And since that line of trees runs behind the Citgo how could Chads or the Turcious route pass below the height of the trees without hitting them????? Are you saying they are mistaken?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

For those who didn't pay attention: The lines Achim and I drew on that image both go BEHIND what is now the distasteful memorial. That's why i said drawing it higher would be difficult because of perspective issues.

[qimg]http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6393/rightyn.png[/qimg]

I meant to ask before....whats distasteful about the monument?......I think its rather stylish as these things go......

 

[I Ratant]

While you're here, CE, do you realise that all of those yellow NoC 'flight-paths' require remarkable bank angles (in the 60-80° range, IIRC)? Something that absolutely nobody reported?

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Remember now, there was "no plane", so there couldn't have been any witnesses, north, south, east, west, above, below, behind, inside, outside, through, between, among, with, anywhere.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Are you claiming that your line is meant to run in front of what is the memorial in the still?

Clarifying my last post: No plane HIT - but a plane was obviously there.

curious.....what evidence do you accept that a plane was there? The 8 CIT winesses? These same 8 say the plane hit the building. So why do you accept that there was a plane but not that it hit. The witesses are the same ones......what justifies cherry picking plane but not impact?

 

[Childlike Empress]

They have a lot of it in text at their CIT forum, if that's still up and around. An amazing display of words and reality dancing past each other frantically but never meeting. But for an outsider view, a good partion of their overall info is tracked and analyzed in various articles linked together here.

As you can see from scanning just a few of those links, their nonsense does not hold up under scrutiny. Not in the slightest, the clowns.

And round and round we go. Post #11 in this thread:

Long story short, Caustic Logic thinks that all those witnesses are planted in a huge disinfo operation anyway.

Frustrating Fraud indeed.

 

[I Ratant]

you expect what to be there? An intact plane??????? Whatever hit the pall would have looked nothing like a plane anymore. It may well have been a shotgun affect of small but dense chunks of wreckage. Destroying that wall but little getting through.




why not?



The lawn is covered in small debris. The vector for the KE was toward the building so anything inelastic (like Al and limestone/concrete is going to bounce back much.
One engine is outside and the other inside the building. Or rather the cores are as they are the only parts tough enough to remain somewhat intact in such an impact.

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The motor pylons on that configuration of airplane are -intended- to shear off from the wing when encountering extreme resistance, typically expected in a water ditching, when having those large scoops firmly attached would cause the airplane to instantly submarine.
Penetrating anything substantial is not likely due to design.
The dense parts may pass through holes, but most of the motor won't.
There's a probable burning motor flying out of the 2nd Tower in NYC that landed some blocks away. The Tower construction was no wear near as solid as the area AA 77 struck at the Pentagon. Some of the landing gears of those planes passed through and out of the Towers also.
Big airplanes structures are actually quite brittle, not crumpling as cars do, but breaking up into confetti as noted, on extreme impact.
Finding large chunks is fairly rare nowadays, relative to the past where big pieces were common, due to structural overdesign.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Penetrating anything substantial is not likely due to design.

Make sure that the "exit hole" on the C-Ring shown above fits into your theory.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Yeah. Better give it up. I told you that you are at the wrong address with your distortions. Busted.

CE have you noticed that NO ONE is agreeing with you......wonder why that is.
Could it be that even the Lurkers realize that you are simply wrong?

 

[funk de fino]

Paik was in his office. CIT busted. They edited his testimony to fit.

Where's the witness who says Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon? There must be one.

 

[BCR]

Sure, Farmer. If you say so.

No CE, YOU SAY SO. You keep arguing that witnesses somehow do not support a plane hitting the Pentagon cause it went NoC, when almost every one of the witnesses in a position to do so say it hit the Pentagon. So put up an eyewitness that says it did not. Otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time with irrational hyperbole.