8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[Childlike Empress]

If i had enough spare time, Achim, then maybe i would check if you debunked what was NOT my point, as indicted in my post you've quoted. But even if i had, how should i do it? No signal there, just noise. I'm sure DGM could come up with a better correction of what was not my point if he'd get off his lazy rear end for a few minutes.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Option 3

CIT lied to the witnesses and lied about what the witnesses said.

Still the collective debunkery has failed to show any indication of this, so it's not a valid option. So sorry.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Strawman? What?

Come on, my double debunk isn't even two serious paragraphs long. I'm sure you'll find the straw man if you really try.

 

[achimspok]

If i had enough spare time, Achim, then maybe i would check if you debunked what was NOT my point, as indicted in my post you've quoted. But even if i had, how should i do it? No signal there, just noise. I'm sure DGM could come up with a better correction of what was not my point if he'd get off his lazy rear end for a few minutes.

I asked you for your "debunking".
You gave me a link.
There was no point.
Where is your point?
Did you a debunking but don't tell anyone about what you mean?
Just type your little problem right here or is it some kind of "I debunked don't what but I'm right you wrong about don't know what." WHERE IS YOUR POINT?

Is it - I'm just guessing - "And the point is not that it's behind the trees but that it never was to the right of what is now the distasteful memorial

It's wrong! Look at my point 2 of your 3 times wrong statement.
Anything else?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Yo Achim:

Weren't you preparing a critique of my debunking of your buddy's stopit video? It should explain why he tries to construct a flight path resembling the "real/official" one out of stills of people whose testimony, if seen in video, fundamentally contradicts that path.

There is no need to be explicit (see above). In fact, it would be counterproductive as i'm trying to put the friggin' E into JREF.

 

[Childlike Empress]

1)

Watch the testimonies, 37 min in:


2)

Watch YougeneDebs' scam video posted by LashL:


If you didn't get it yet...

3)

Read my debunk:

Mind-blowingly stoopit. Make sure to watch it till the very end where he admits that the "question" he feigns to debunk is just a strawman he set up at 3:19 min.

To understand why his flight path construction based on the cemetery witnesses is equally bogus, i've attached a still of 3:59 min with the "official/real" flight path indicated.

You fall for this nonsense?

4) laugh.

 

[achimspok]

Yo Achim:

""It should explain why he tries to construct a flight path resembling the "real/official" one out of stills of people whose testimony, if seen in video, fundamentally contradicts that path. ""


There is no need to be explicit (see above). In fact, it would be counterproductive as i'm trying to put the friggin' E into JREF.

The anti-logic of your argument is simply: two contradicting witness statements = no possible flightpath = no plane = undebunkable because you always can pull the opposite statement out of the hat.

And as you can see above, the FDR path do exactly what Stafford describes + what Middleton describes.
Hence, if you would tell those cementery guys a little bit about the effects of perspective then probably the whole "flightpath drawings" argument will fall apart.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Aww, you didn't even follow my instructions, not to mention try to think.

Know what Achim? You have bored me long enough. Tschö, wa.

 

[achimspok]

1)

Watch the testimonies, 37 min in:


2)

Watch YougeneDebs' scam video posted by LashL:


If you didn't get it yet...

3)

Read my debunk:



[qimg]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6030/cemetery.jpg[/qimg]

4) laugh.

As I said, there is no debunk. Obviously you don't understand the argument. Stick with it! Tschö!

 

[Childlike Empress]

Yeah. Sure. Look over there, a pod! Seen that pixel?

 

[achimspok]

 

[twinstead]

Ok now this is getting tiresome.

CE, I wish with all my might that CIT could get this into an unbiased court of law, where ALL the witnesses and ALL the physical evidence was available to a jury, and where REAL experts could be called to the stand along with the CIT folks.

It would be a delightful day indeed. Ah, dreams.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

delete

 

[sheeplesnshills]

GODDAMNIT!
Put NORTH at the top of the *********** map!
Like this.
Then, all flight paths can be rationally compared, without having to twist anything around!
Jesus Christ, is that so hard to comprehend?

Feel free to do so. personally I have no issue with understanding where north is on that or any other picture of the area. In the case above it makes no difference as its simply routes as described in witness statements.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You. Your drawn flight paths are equally absurd as in your recent illustration of the north and south paths. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, as anyone who saw their testimony would suspect.

Thanks for your opinion. Please tell me how Morin could have seen the plane after it passed him. Is he no longer a CIT NoC witness?

What do you say to the fact that Middleton would have barely seen the plane at all if it would have been on the "official/real" flightpath?

Is that a fact? Please show that to be the case. Actually I doubt Middleton saw much at all and is simply making up most of what he says. We know the plane was not where he said it was, as then Morin and many other witnesses on 395 would not have seen it at all. He felt the heat of the engines??? yeah right.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

If you had taken 15 minutes and checked out the CITGO testimonies while being on Google Maps/Earth at the same spot, like i advised, you would know why the CITGO is the point of reference. And you would have avoided making a fool of yourself.

There were only three witnesses at/near the Citgo and we know two were not where they said they were on the day. The third (Chad) was in a car park behind and to the South of the gas station. He only had to wrong in remembering where he was parked by a few spaces to have mistaken the route.

As I recall only Penny Elgas mentions the station in an non CIT interview and she was in no position to tell if it was in front, over or behind it as she has no frame of reference

 

[sheeplesnshills]

None of the witnesses have seen "AA77". They saw a large jetliner on a trajectory fundamentally different from the "official/real" flightpath.

So, as stated before - eighter you believe what their corroborated statements (not any of the literal lines) teach us about the plane, or you believe the data. The former would be option 4), the latter eighter 2) or 3). 1) it would be if you honestly think those people could all be mistaken (seen the CITGO testimonies?).

They are not all mistaken. Morin is SoC, Paik is No witness to any route other than it passing over the VDOT, Turcious lies as he was not where is said he was. LaGasse was not where he said he was in the interview, Chad could simply be mistaken as to where he parked by a few yards. The Cemetary guys have no frame of reference so CANNOT know where the plane was relative to the Citgo, Lloyde is SoC, Roosevelt Roberts simply cannot of seen what he says he saw as its physically impossible even if a plane did overfly..............did I miss anyone?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Still the collective debunkery has failed to show any indication of this, so it's not a valid option. So sorry.

They included one of the lies in own their video! They tell Lloyd that ALL the witnesses say it passed NoC. That was not true and they knew it. They lied to the people they were recording QED

 

[The Big Dog]

Still the collective debunkery has failed to show any indication of this, so it's not a valid option. So sorry.

I see the CIT fan was all charged up on goofballs last night.

We know that CIT fabricated Paiks account.

We know that other truthers have proven the mutts wrong.

We know that the mutts have refused to release their unedited video.

Please stop linking to fiction, CE. Link to the raw torrents of the videos or STFU.

Thanks!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I see the CIT fan was all charged up on goofballs last night.

We know that CIT fabricated Paiks account.

We know that other truthers have proven the mutts wrong.

We know that the mutts have refused to release their unedited video.

Please stop linking to fiction, CE. Link to the raw torrents of the videos or STFU.

Thanks!

Its mind boggling that she(?) can think that Mr Morin can see through a 4 storey building that is a block long.......Its when they deny the undeniable that you know they are bat poop crazy. Ironically Mr Morins just another SoC witness which they could declare a shill like they do Zakhem. Their insistance his testimony means one thing when it clearly does not just throws all their other interpretation into doubt. If they can get something that simple, that wrong why would we think they can be right in anything they say?