8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[carlitos]

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent doesn't use it.

fixed Actually, as you wrote it, that would be a pretty good signature line for someone here.

How do we know they didn't take poles that were hit NoC and put them SoC?

They? Do tell us.

twinstead was being facetious, but this really is like sectarian squabbling. You could make the same logical fallacies arguing about transubstantation or whether to translate the bible into the King's English. Arguing about the details of a fictional story.

 

[The Big Dog]

Nobody objected to the CITGO witness testimony corroborating Paik and Morin in a NoC flightpath.

That makes it 5:0 for me.

WOW! That is an utter outright lie. I am astonished that you would make stuff up like that, particularly after your heros, Shaky Craig and Aldo the Buffet Slayer were caught fabricating Paik's account.

Jesus, you gotta be kidding us.

Unless you have seen the raw video of the interview with Paik, you are a worthless spam artist pimping out the second stupidest theory ever.

/I notice that CE continues to avoid addressing the substance of her fellow truthers' demolition of CIT, instead bumping this ancient garbage to the top of the list. Amazing.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Frankly you folks can't think out of the box. How do you know the government doesn't have some kind of reverse-engineered alien time stopping/dead resurrecting technology developed at area 51 that allowed the workers to take 6 months to repair the damage and move the evidence, but that seemed to those on the outside as a blink of an eye.

You don't know the POWER of the dark side!

At the risk of contributing something useful to this thread, I'll point out that investigator John D MacDonald wrote a book-length treatment of this technology way back in 1962.

Listen up, sheeple: Reading that book will forever change your attitude concerning twinstead's and similar theories.

 

[Childlike Empress]

/I notice that CE continues to avoid addressing the substance of her fellow truthers' demolition of CIT, instead bumping this ancient garbage to the top of the list. Amazing.

Who would have thought that in 2011 I debunk da Twoof™ while the duhbunkies stand by and pretend it didn't happen.

 

[tsig]

this whole debate, NOC, SOC...all of it.

is dumb. very very dumb.

carry on.

NOC'em, SOC'em robots.

 

[tsig]

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent it.

I doubt if he even suspects it exists.

 

[tsig]

well they are bolted to the bases so one could unbolt them and then lower them down with a small crane/big cherry picker, peel the stickers off and replace with new ones, carry them over to the other loactions, unbolt the other broken bases and remove them, use the same crane to raise them up and bolt them down.........then carry all the broken poles to the new locations and spread them artistically about.

All in less than 10 minutes, without knowing you were going to need to do it and without anyone noticing........are these guys ninjas? then of course they have to fix all the NoC angle internal damage and resurrect dead mangled people inside the building.....compared to that, fixing the poles would be easy!

Ninja electricians.

 

[The Big Dog]

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Who would have thought that in 2011 I debunk da Twoof™ while the duhbunkies stand by and pretend it didn't happen.

English, mother **********, do you speak it?

Notice you squirrelled out of the CIT boy's little fabrication about Paik.

But hey, you have incomprehensible words to type about the fact that your fellow truthers are using your heroes like a couple of Pinatas.

 

[twinstead]

Who would have thought that in 2011 I debunk da Twoof™ while the duhbunkies stand by and pretend it didn't happen.

It's like Protestants debunking Catholics when both believe in something that doesn't exist.

 

[beachnut]

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent it.

And Craig will never use logic.

The polygon was real close to the animated gif flight path. Too bad Balsamo has no clue what math is. Cool; you were debunked by another truther. Yet you remain self-debunking, there was no need, as it goes with all 911 truth.

Now you know 77 impacted the Pentagon can CIT lied. What is new?

 

[achimspok]

Actually I think if you look into it the witness testimony actually supports that the poles were knocked down NoC. England, Brooks, Lagasse, Probst, Mcgraw, Aman - those are all witneseses that in one way or another support the hypothesis that the poles were hit NoC.

Have you ever seen the photos of Lloyd England on the bridge? His cab struck by a light pole? The colors of that cab as described by Lagasse?

Have you ever heard Craig Ranke saying that Lloyd England is an accomplice and a liar because he was indeed on the bridge but stated otherwise?

So who is right? You or Craig Ranke? Was Lloyd on the bridge?

If not, I will wait for the first photograph that shows damaged light poles somewhere north of the bridge. (I expect to see some agents who plant some new ones and other agents who knock down the known ones at the same time. They had just 30 seconds to do it because Lagasse just needed 30 seconds to respond and to arrive at the site. Craig says, Lagasse tells the truth and his recollection is best. So where are the poles and agents?)

How do we know they didn't take poles that were hit NoC and put them SoC?

In 30 sec? ...take the NoC poles, pull out the NoC stubs, carry them to the SoC position, pull out the SoC stubs, plant the broken Noc stubs into the ground, carry the Soc poles to the NoC holes ...
Have you read what I have written about the angle of the bowing of the poles? SoC poles require a different angle.

No, I don't believe in flyover. I believe an impact from NoC is possible and that is what the witnesses actually say. CIT married the very plausible NoC approach and married it to the flyover "theory."

Lagasse described the impact as "starboard cockpit at the same time the wing was involved with the generator". That statement of a CIT witness makes NoC impact impossible. The damage path makes NoC + impact impossible as well as the Morin testimony makes Noc + impact impossible...
The fly over was invented because CIT realized that NoC + impact is impossible.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You better ask that guy for sources, readers. Desperation. That little offensive backfired, didn't it, TruthSims and DebunkSims?

 

[carlitos]

So who is right? You or Craig Ranke?

False Dilemma^WP

 

[achimspok]

You better ask that guy for sources, readers. Desperation. That little offensive backfired, didn't it, TruthSims and DebunkSims?

Which guy? Ranke?
Tell you what. Guys like R. Pickering were desperate about that selfish nonsense that Ranke blows out into the world doing tramendous collateral damage to everything that has "truth" in the name. Ranke called Avery a disinfo agent. Do you know what I mean?
CIT is some ironic repetition of a Nico Haupt like megalomania and bouncing airplanes. The No Planers had witnesses in the north of the towers who neither saw nor heard a second plane but saw an explosion.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Pickering is a shill, Avery is a douchebag and Nico and his creativity were badly abused. You can as well stop trying to fool me , Achim, i don't care about the opinions of any of those gentlemen.

 

[achimspok]

Pickering is a shill, Avery is a douchebag and Nico and his creativity were badly abused. You can as well stop trying to fool me , Achim, i don't care about the opinions of any of those gentlemen.

OK, but you learned the jewish cuss. Using "shill" is the first sign of being brainwashed. ...just like the No Planers.
Sorry for saying that, CE.

Tell me something about Nico's creativity. Something like "I am the leader!" or Haupt Couture "lighthouse" t-shirts a la Jehovas Witnesses?

 

[achimspok]

OK, PEACE! Where is your Debs-Debunking? I want to see it.

 

[Childlike Empress]

OK, PEACE! Where is your Debs-Debunking? I want to see it.

Here.

edit: additional explanation

And the point is not that it's behind the trees but that it never was to the right of what is now the distasteful memorial if it was on the "real/official" flight path. Drawing it higher would have been difficult because of perspective problems - with the label it's clear.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

There is no flyover theory that can adequately explain the 70 ft wide gash left along the wall of the Pentagon, the physical remnants of the plane, the DNA evidence, or the fact that every single witness (Not 8, but more than 100 including the "NOC" ones) places the crash in the Pentagon.

Manipulating other member's arguments and construing them as agreeing with CIT's position as CE did with I Ratant was rude, and dishonest. As are the suggestions that the NOC theory is valid on the basis of a few outliers in witness testimony. People need to consider giving CIT less attention at some point, 6 or 7 years is a long time to be trying to satisfy whiners who makes ludicrous accusations of complicity, change the dynamics of witness testimony to satisfy their selfish pessimism, or to rudely distort the arguments of those they are speaking with.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Manipulating other member's arguments and construing them as agreeing with CIT's position as CE did with I Ratant was rude, and dishonest.

Stick your divisiveness to where the sun doesn't shine. I Ratant has figured out the obvious truth that the plane can't be on a north path and cause the physical damage. Like everyone who follows the topic. That's not agreeing with CIT, that's agreeing with reality.