8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[A W Smith]

Once it's established that the path in the official data is not what the witnesses saw, and knowing that they report a plane much slower than the data shows, you ask us to rule out their reports because of the parameters suggested by the same already questionable data (type of the plane, that is, for your argument)? Give it up. Believe the witnesses or believe data released through dubious channels years after the event. It's eighter or.

I'm familiar with Jeff's phone calls, thanks but no thanks again.

Again the old Craig hand wave from two years ago repeated,
"once you establish any non compliance at all in your witness testimony with the accepted flight path, feel free to hand wave off and disqualify that witness, and then turn that witness around 180 degrees and claim them as a NOC witness.".
He tried that hand wave two years ago CE and got his ass handed to him. It don't work any more, but nice try, seems you have run out of plays in the CIT playbook.

 

[twinstead]

CE, Achimspok please stop your needless sectarian squabbling and be welcomed back to the fold of the mother church.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Again the old Craig hand wave from two years ago repeated,

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent it.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

What? Paik and Morin are SOC witnesses.

Well Paik is a "South of" or Over, Columbia Pike witness and nothing else as he could not have seen where the plane went after he saw it. His path after it passed him is pure guesswork and cannot be used by CIT to say it went NoC.

Mr Morin has to be a SoC witness as he cannot have seen the plane after it passed him unless it was SoC.

 

[twinstead]

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent it.

Craig also claims, with no evidence, that every single bit of physical evidence was planted. That's not logical.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Once it's established that the path in the official data is not what the witnesses saw, and knowing that they report a plane much slower than the data shows, you ask us to rule out their reports because of the parameters suggested by the same already questionable data (type of the plane, that is, for your argument)? Give it up. Believe the witnesses or believe data released through dubious channels years after the event. It's eighter or.

I'm familiar with Jeff's phone calls, thanks but no thanks again.

As I recall only Morin ventures to suggest a speed (350 - 400 knots)
which is not far off the actual FDR speed and is damned fast at that altitude.
So if we believe the witnesses then it was very fast

 

[sheeplesnshills]

It's called logic. Craig Ranke didn't invent it.

Wheres that irony meter when you need it?????

 

[Childlike Empress]

What you falsely recall is completely irrelevant in light of the fact that we have all the tools at hand to go look for ourselves. I'm not doing your homework.

 

[twinstead]

Wheres that irony meter when you need it?????

I'd loan you mine, but it's smashed all to hell.

 

[Mobertermy]

Yes, I considered it but never heard of any - not one - damaged lamp pole north of the known 5.

Actually I think if you look into it the witness testimony actually supports that the poles were knocked down NoC. England, Brooks, Lagasse, Probst, Mcgraw, Aman - those are all witneseses that in one way or another support the hypothesis that the poles were hit NoC.

Really, you can turn it and turn it round and round. The NoC path simply makes no sense.
e.g. look at the damage to the lamp poles. The damage do not look like "little explosions" whatsoever. It looks like a giant baseball bat hit it.

How do we know they didn't take poles that were hit NoC and put them SoC?

You need at least some plane impact or do you believe in a fly-over against ALL witnesses?

No, I don't believe in flyover. I believe an impact from NoC is possible and that is what the witnesses actually say. CIT married the very plausible NoC approach and married it to the flyover "theory."

 

[Childlike Empress]

CIT married the very plausible NoC approach and married it to the flyover "theory."

Epic logic fail. I Ratant already figured it out. Your alleged theories are not the topic of this thread, btw.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

(You talk about that guy who accused an old cabbie to be the "first known accomplice" and who made an FBI agent out of his cleaner wife. How deep...)

What is the source for this? Did CIT just make the FBI bit up??

 

[twinstead]

I'm still torn between which one is more ludicrous--believing in a flyover that nobody saw or believing a group of workmen cleaned up the physical evidence of a NoC path and planted it on a SoC path.

Life's little decisions.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Wheres that irony meter when you need it?????

I'd loan you mine, but it's smashed all to hell.

Here, borrow mine before somebody...

What you falsely recall is completely irrelevant in light of the fact that we have all the tools at hand to go look for ourselves.

Damn. Too late.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

How do we know they didn't take poles that were hit NoC and put them SoC?

And dig up the poles that were SoC, move them NoC and dig them back in again, dig up the stumps of the ones NoC, move them SoC and dig them back in again, before anybody noticed the difference, then go over them all changing the numbers so they'd all be the same as they were before, a point stressed in Mobertermy's PowerPoint presentation. Oh, and then find any and all photographs taken on the day and change them all so that they looked like everything was in two different places at the same time.

How many people did you say this took, again?

Dave

 

[Oystein]

...I'm not doing your homework.

I have seen variants of this several times before in various discussions.
It usually means "I have not the slightest idea where I could find evidence to strengthen my case".

 

[twinstead]

And dig up the poles that were SoC, move them NoC and dig them back in again, dig up the stumps of the ones NoC, move them SoC and dig them back in again, before anybody noticed the difference, then go over them all changing the numbers so they'd all be the same as they were before, a point stressed in Mobertermy's PowerPoint presentation. Oh, and then find any and all photographs taken on the day and change them all so that they looked like everything was in two different places at the same time.

I believe I can safely say that this would be totally impossible.

 

[DGM]

I believe I can safely say that this would be totally impossible.

Duh.....They did it during the commercials!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

And dig up the poles that were SoC, move them NoC and dig them back in again, dig up the stumps of the ones NoC, move them SoC and dig them back in again, before anybody noticed the difference, then go over them all changing the numbers so they'd all be the same as they were before, a point stressed in Mobertermy's PowerPoint presentation. Oh, and then find any and all photographs taken on the day and change them all so that they looked like everything was in two different places at the same time.

How many people did you say this took, again?

Dave

well they are bolted to the bases so one could unbolt them and then lower them down with a small crane/big cherry picker, peel the stickers off and replace with new ones, carry them over to the other loactions, unbolt the other broken bases and remove them, use the same crane to raise them up and bolt them down.........then carry all the broken poles to the new locations and spread them artistically about.

All in less than 10 minutes, without knowing you were going to need to do it and without anyone noticing........are these guys ninjas?

then of course they have to fix all the NoC angle internal damage and resurrect dead mangled people inside the building.....compared to that, fixing the poles would be easy!

 

[twinstead]

Frankly you folks can't think out of the box. How do you know the government doesn't have some kind of reverse-engineered alien time stopping/dead resurrecting technology developed at area 51 that allowed the workers to take 6 months to repair the damage and move the evidence, but that seemed to those on the outside as a blink of an eye.

You don't know the POWER of the dark side!