8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[Childlike Empress]

Apropos pre-debunking. There's a new mock video out there called the "CIT Deception" - no not the short one released last year. Here's part 1 of 4:



I and people who read this thread need only watch the first 90 seconds to see what the fraudulent basis of this video is. Did you notice? Yes, they completely misrepresent the flight path according to the data (remember the blue line).

Desperation.

 

[Algebra34]

You know what? The only question right now is why don't we know exactly what happened? And this is only one aspect of 9/11. Why is it being debated at all?

You debunkers will never get around this. In fact, it's why you exist.

 

[Thunder]

You know what? The only question right now is why don't we know exactly what happened?

i know what happened. and so do you. you simply deny the facts that have been repeated to you 457,845 times...for political and other reasons.

 

[Arus808]

You know what? The only question right now is why don't we know exactly what happened?

We know what exactly happened. We've known since 2002. 19 hijackers with ties to Al Quaeda, hijacked four planes, and crashed them into the 2 WTC towers, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, PA. 3000 Americans died that day, and 1000's of volunteers, scientists, fire fighters, rescue crews, forensic scientists, FBI investigators, NTSB investigators, Airline employees and doctors spent the years following, investigating through thousands of pieces of evidence and witness testimony.



why it happened? That will forever be investigated since it was an ongoing security problem in the US at the time.

And this in only one aspect of 9/11. Why is it being debated at all?

No, you want to debate it because unless its conclusion where it says the US is involved, you do not like the answers that have been known since 2002.

You truthers like to spin, lie, do nothing, guess, speculate, harass, ridicule, and remain ignorant, all the while spreading your claims like a virus to those who don't know better. That is why debunkers exist. to make sure that these messages are countered.

 

[Baylor]

Even if we disregard the pole damage, generator damage, pentagon damage, plane parts, and whatever else you can think of.

The pole damage is interesting. CIT claims it was done by government stooges in the middle of the night. The government claims it was done by AA77. I don't think it was either. I think there was a sale on ding dongs and Homeland Insurgency's wife got a little excited and ran them down. It's a good theory backed with facts and evidence (see sig for details).

 

[Algebra34]

You don't know. That's one of the reasons why you are here. Nobody knows. That's the problem. 9/11 isn't like JFK where people are just arguing about what angle he was shot from and who they were. Every different aspect of four different plane crashes on 9/11 is questionable. Because it wasn't properly investigated.

You are here for years now because you can't debunk. You never will be able to debunk anything. And you know why. You come here and you shout people down because that's all you got.

 

[Thunder]

You don't know. That's one of the reasons why you are here. Nobody knows. That's the problem.

You are here for years now because you can't debunk. You never will be able to debunk anything.

um......we do know what happened on 9-11. and we have debunked everything that twoofers throw at us.

that's why Truthers come to OUR forum...not the other way around.

we are very confident in what we believe. unlike Truthers, who feel the strange need to come to JREF to try to convince us of their religious dogma. it is a very strong sign and indicator of high anxiety and lack of confidence in one's beliefs.

folks who are truly confident in their ideas, don't feel the need to run around on street corners and in internet forums, proclaiming their truth and demanding that everyone else follow them.

 

[Baylor]

um......we do know what happened on 9-11. and we have debunked everything that twoofers throw at us.

that's why Truthers come to OUR forum...not the other way around.

You're right on this parky. Truthers seem to be very weird people. They claims nobody knows what happened to AA77, when all the evidence suggests it hit the pentagon. If you remember a poster here, LastChild, he claimed nobody knows what happened to it when every witness said the plane hit the pentagon. Then he said he liked women over 350 lbs. then he asked how we know he liked women over 350 lbs. I don't know what I find more disgusting, his 9/11 trutherism or his love of obese women. Gross.

 

[Algebra34]

You've debunked nothing. That's why you are still here in 2010. That alone should tell you something already.

 

[Thunder]

You've debunked nothing. That's why you are still here in 2010. That alone should tell you something already.

JREF has a multitude of sub-forums and a huge variety of topics to discuss and debate. contrary to popular 9-11 Denier belief, the 9-11 Conspiracy section is just a very small part of this forum.

 

[Thunder]

You're right on this parky. Truthers seem to be very weird people. They claims nobody knows what happened to AA77, when all the evidence suggests it hit the pentagon.

um..a plane hit the pentagon. two planes hit the wtc. one crashed in PA. 19 hjackers did it.

see? i do know what happened on 9-11.

 

[Baylor]

You don't know.

What do you make of the TONS of evidence? The evidence that al-Qaeda did 9/11 is HUGE. I don't think you're turned off by all this evidence, I think the opposite. I think you're highly interested in it......

 

[Thunder]

Average American: "I know what happened on 9-11"

Truther: "no you don't. you have no idea what happened that day"

Average American: "sure I do. I have read lots of info including the evidence from the Moussoui trial. i know a great deal of what happened on 9-11"

Truther: "no you don't. I just told you that you have no idea what happened on 9-11. nothing".

Average American: "Um...yes I do..I just told you I researched it"

Truther: "Again, you know nothing about 9-11".

Average American: "how do you know..what I KNOW? I just told you what I know and how I know it".

Truther: "um...er...you know nothing about 9-11".

Average American: "whatever dude. have a nice life".

 

[Thunder]

It must be very frustrating for people like HI that their terrorist buddies admit to doing it. Terribly inconvenient.

Al Qaeda does not know what happened on 9-11.

Nor does Ayman Al Zawahiri.

Nor does Osama bin Laden.

Nor does Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

why? cause 9-11 Truth, Part Deux, says so.

 

[beachnut]

Do any of you have jobs?

Wow, this is your evidence to support the lies of CIT?

Do you do math? Which flight path is the real CIT NoC flight path?

What is the roll rate of a 757 with flaps up?

Why can't CIT and p4t do math?

Which is the CIT flight path; please present the CIT flight path?

Which CIT witness says 77 did not impact the Pentagon?

Do you have a job? Where is it? What do you do? Who is your boss and does your boss know you promote dirt dumb delusions and support lies from people who poorly apologize for terrorists?

 

[jaydeehess]

I clarified my inexact statement already. You are still in denial. That road you see there on the right is roughly the "north"-"south" dividing line. The data has the plane never north (left) of the road.

Oopsie.

Oopsie indeed CE.

'That road' is Columbia Pike.

If one takes a line parallel to Columbia Pike (as it passes Paik's shop and the Navy Annex) and through the southern most corner of the Citgo station you can see that it is roughly about half way between the southern and northern walls of the Annex.

Anything flying a path along this stretch of Columbia Pike will pass to the south of the Citgo station.
Anything flying parallel, to and alongside, the north wall of the Annex will pass to the south of the Citgo station.

Furthermore if Morin watched the plane go below his line of sight beyond the trees and still could see the vertical stabilizer at all then it had to be south of the Citgo. In order for the plane to pass to the north of the Citgo canopy and have Morin see what he described, he would have had to run across the parking lot, across Columbia Pike and another further few dozen feet. Even for him to see it travel with the fuselage directly over the southern most corner of the Citgo he would have had to be standing on the far lane of Columbia Pike.

So your contention that anything north of this stretch of Columbia Pike will be north of the station is shown to be grossly incorrect. Indeed in order to be over the Citgo the path must take it at least over the center of the Annex at which point the path no longer agrees with anything that Morin has stated.

Google Earth is easy to use. Try it.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Read it again. My contention was that anything north of Columbia Pike doesn't match the official data, and this is correct as you know.

 

[Baylor]

Do you guys ever actually do any debunking? I mean if you're going to sit home all day and logon here, maybe you could debunk something once in awhile? I mean some of these conspiracy theories are really crazy. You would think that some of you could put them tor rest already.

Don't you have anything at all? Is this it?

This subforum doesn't get much discourse nowadays. There are more interesting topics. Take a look at this thread about what happened to an old JREF member, Homeland Insurgency. Crack Kills, and I'm not talking about the drug.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165499

 

[beachnut]

Do any of you have jobs?

Wow, this is your evidence to support the lies of CIT?

Do you do math? Which flight path is the real CIT NoC flight path?

What is the roll rate of a 757 with flaps up?

Why can't CIT and p4t do math?

Which is the CIT flight path; please present the CIT flight path?

Which CIT witness says 77 did not impact the Pentagon?

Do you have a job? Where is it? What do you do? Who is your boss and does your boss know you promote dirt dumb delusions and support lies from people who poorly apologize for terrorists?

... can't answer questions?.

Do you guys ever actually do any debunking? I mean if you're going to sit home all day and logon here, maybe you could debunk something once in awhile? I mean some of these conspiracy theories are really crazy. You would think that some of you could put them tor rest already.

Don't you have anything at all? Is this it?

Do you have the math to go with a flight path from CIT? 8 years of delusions and you can't present anything to save the lies from CIT.

Why are you wasting your time?

BTW, it is called the www, world wide web, we can post from the guest room, dining room, living room, up-stair bed room, in the hot tub, on the porch, in the square at Sonoma, on the road on the phone, dining coffee at the store, anywhere, and everywhere.

BTW, if you can type fast, there is very little time required to reply to your evidence free posts.

With Paik pointing to the south flight path CIT failure is exposed. He points to the flight path in the CIT video; comprehension skills in CIT are zero, which matches their evidence.

 

[jaydeehess]

Do you guys ever actually do any debunking? I mean if you're going to sit home all day and logon here, maybe you could debunk something once in awhile? I mean some of these conspiracy theories are really crazy. You would think that some of you could put them tor rest already.

Don't you have anything at all? Is this it?

See above. A path that takes the plane over or north of the Citgo must pass to the north of at least the centerline of the Annex at which point the path no longer is consistent with anything in Morin's description.


Further to this, drawing lines on Google Earth also shows that if the plane flew with its fuselage over the centerline of Columbia Pike as it passed the Sheraton (as per mudlark above) and then to the north of the Citgo, then once again it is inconsistent with anything Morin states and would put the plane at least 2 wingspans to the north of the VDOT tower at which point one must wonder why Paik would have considered it possible that the plane had clipped the tower. Moreover it would put the aircraft directly over Paik's parking lot yet Paik points not straight up but at an angle between 30 and 45 degrees south from his location.