8 out of 8 at Citgo station

Let's investigate this, twinstead.

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The blue line is the "real/official" flight path, the yellow lines are the witness testimonies. The yellow line close to bottom left is Edward Paik's testimony according to Craig. Notice the VDOT tower in relation to the blue and the yellow line and how the yellow line crosses the road while the blue one doesn't.

Now we need Paik's testimony to see who is deceptive about it.

Even if I were no a trained aircraft accident investigator with experience in the field with fatal accidents and large aircraft, I would have no problem taking CIT own work and see it supports the blue line. Above we have a two dimensional plot of flight paths. At 483 KIAS at impact, there is no way 77 would be able to do any of the CIT sponsored yellow delusional idiotic flight paths only CIT could be dumb enough to support as reality. Which one is the real one? CE, which one; pick any of them; only one, the blue line is physically possible based on even the witness statements if you would actually listen and analyze what was said.

CIT are the worse investigators of all time. And you like what they do. Who cares, you are allowed to support nut case ideas with zero evidence to back up your claims as CIT witnesses on video point to the Blue flight path. Remember the flight path is up at a 4 to 5 degree impact angle to the Pentagon.

Post 180, I cut the Paik gif to when he stops looking at his finger, I also listened to all of his testimony. Paik points to the Pentagon while he is looking, after Paik stops looking where he is pointing his finger and lets his arm drift to the left while he is not looking, therefore he is no longer pointing to where 77 was, he is looking at CIT dummies who will now twist his testimony to fit their moronic delusion of a fly over never see by anyone, not even Multiple RADAR sites. Paik says 77 came close to the tower behind him, the VDOT tower, the blue line you posted.

I also took the gif from CIT and frame by frame was able to see when Paik stopped aiming with his eyes; I presented the guided finger point; but BCR presented the real as it was seen on 911 single one and only real pointing, making your quibbling a failure.

Paik points from where he was if you listen to the interviews by CIT you would have known BCR, me, and all the world knew Paik was in his office when he saw 77. I knew it, and I knew Paik pointed to the blue flight path which matches the FDR (hard irrefutable evidence), RADAR data (hard irrefutable evidence), and thus makes Paik testimony very interesting as his timing based on his testimony matches the impact sound and give a good estimate for speed. I figured this out years ago, and it was more of an exercise for how to evaluate witness statements.

I have no problem with the witnesses and I have many of the witnesses original 2001 statements which all agree 77 impacted the Pentagon.

165, 180, done; you are wrong and Paik points to the south flight path.

If you listen to all Paik's testimony you would understand why this is Paik pointing where he saw 77 on 911, from where he saw 77 on 911, and if you can do geometry/math/physics this matches the location in relative to Paik that 77 was, in altitude and location, which match the blue line. The reality based flight path.
actual POV and direction of sighting in this image.

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wow, CE has never seen the video that he supports? well, color me (not) surprised. The very fact that LashL has told him where those diagrams are, clearly shows that CE like Red Ibis, Bill Smith, vinniem are nothing but trolls.
 
CE, she has told you many times where the diagrams are shown. not our fault that you dont even watch the videos you are supporting/defending
 
You repeat your own made up ambigious crap and want me to comment on it? That's not how it works outside the court, madam. A SOURCE!!!!


How many times do you have to be told that the source is the tree fort boys' own videos? I'm not linking to them to give them traffic; you've done that quite enough yourself.
 
Are you able to post a single direct answer to reactions to your stunt? No you aren't, because you aren't even aware that you did anything wrong. Because you are a nut. Or? Are there better explanations for your behaviour? If so, they have to come from you and nobody else.
You are the one who posts delusional flight paths and can't pick one. Which one is possible? Which one is the real flight path or are you just trying to call people nuts instead of their ideas?

Your ideas on 911 are nuts if they support the conclusions of CIT.

Please, which path is possible, the 80 G path, or the 34 G flight path; or are you unable to do physics to aid your ability to see what is nuts and what that you have picked a delusion to support?

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Which one is the real NoC flight path; why are all the witnesses different except for Impact? Why is the blue flight path pointed to by the CIT witnesses, RADAR, FDR, and physical damage? ... it is the real one and only flight path. Please show us the real CIT flight path.
... do you like the 80 G flight path?.
 
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How many of those flight paths have AA77 hitting the Sheraton before its final decent? Maybe CIT hero Childlike Empress can tell us. It was The Lone Bedroom who told us we can't accept Paik's South of citgo path because it would've hit the Sheraton.
 
This thread is filled with your lies, beachnut. I fail to see how you can think that adding lies to that pile will help you. It sucks that i'm able to break it down for casual observers, doesn't it? Includes you buddy, and you know that you are making **** up - like everybody else here knows. I frankly have no patience with you anymore. The fact that you ruined your life with good intentions and got screwed with lies doesn't mean that we have to swallow them too, does it?

CU.
 
beachnut has told no lies in this thread CE. You still have quesitons you have left unanswered:

Please familiarize yourself with the nonsense that you yourself are touting here in this thread, including the fundamentally flawed diagram that the tree fort boys use in their silly video that you spammed earlier.

Learn what a leading question is, and learn why the tree fort boys' diagram is flawed, and learn why all of the subsequent flight paths drawn on it are utterly useless and invalid.

Then, come on back and let's talk once you have done so. This is about the E in the JREF, and it appears that you are averse to learning.

Oh man, don't I know it!

I ask three really annoying questions:

1. where are the calculations showing an airliner could fly CIT's path?

2. where is the raw video?

3. Say, CE, where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

And you were busy with ad hominem attacks on farmer, instead of addressing any of them.
 


You've been saying for more than an hour that you're going to bed, and yet here you still are. You should have spent that time looking up the diagram that the tree fort boys used in their silly videos, and learned something.
 
That's what you're left with. Embarassing. But you are right, now it's really time. Good night.


Point out your shortcomings is not embarassing on LashL's part. We know that you're inept at supporting your claims, so you resort to pathetic attempts at dodging.

You have questions to answer:

Please familiarize yourself with the nonsense that you yourself are touting here in this thread, including the fundamentally flawed diagram that the tree fort boys use in their silly video that you spammed earlier.

Learn what a leading question is, and learn why the tree fort boys' diagram is flawed, and learn why all of the subsequent flight paths drawn on it are utterly useless and invalid.

Then, come on back and let's talk once you have done so. This is about the E in the JREF, and it appears that you are averse to learning.

Oh man, don't I know it!

I ask three really annoying questions:

1. where are the calculations showing an airliner could fly CIT's path?

2. where is the raw video?

3. Say, CE, where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

And you were busy with ad hominem attacks on farmer, instead of addressing any of them.
 
I rubbed it under you nose but you still miss it, Arus808 dear:


actually you did nothing of the sort. your witnesses do you support your claims. Beachnut isn't wrong, and you've got several questions to answer:



Please familiarize yourself with the nonsense that you yourself are touting here in this thread, including the fundamentally flawed diagram that the tree fort boys use in their silly video that you spammed earlier.

Learn what a leading question is, and learn why the tree fort boys' diagram is flawed, and learn why all of the subsequent flight paths drawn on it are utterly useless and invalid.

Then, come on back and let's talk once you have done so. This is about the E in the JREF, and it appears that you are averse to learning.

Oh man, don't I know it!

I ask three really annoying questions:

1. where are the calculations showing an airliner could fly CIT's path?

2. where is the raw video?

3. Say, CE, where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

And you were busy with ad hominem attacks on farmer, instead of addressing any of them.
 
Embarassing. But you are right, now it's really time. Good night.


Yes, you certainly should be embarrassed, and it is good to see that you are, as that indicates at least that there might be some semblance of sanity buried deep beneath the blathering nonsense that you have espoused repeatedly in this thread.

When you wake up, get to work on figuring out what's wrong with the diagram proffered by those morons whose videos you keep pimping. Make an honest effort at it. If you can't figure it out after making an honest effort, ask the tree fort boys to help you, and if they won't tell you what's deliberately misleading about their diagram, come on back and I'll clue you in.
 

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