8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[DGM]

Read this thread for a start. As i said, he relies on our trust. He doesn't publish his material (and even pretends to be proud of "protecting" the witnesses). This is completely worthless compared to what CIT have obtained. Not a single CIT witness has complained about being misrepresented by them, not a single one has filed any charges against them, it's just that some of them aren't willing to talk about their experiences any more after they understood what it implies.

Accusing Craig Ranke of asking leading questions is more than laughable. He did a fine job and stayed inside the rules of doing investigative journalism. Remember how Morin treated him like an idiot after he asked for clarification?

"Now this is the Navy Annex, this is Columbia Pike and here's a fence. I was behind the fence.".

You stated Mr Farmer was "discredited". Was this just an of the cuff statement or do you actually have any proof?.

I don't know if any have complained because I'm not sure how may they've actually interviewed. I do know that after the fact a few they did interviewed were called "shills" and liars.

I didn't say anything about CIT's interviewing styles so I won't respond to the rest of your post.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I told you to read the thread. Maybe you should pay more attention, otherwise you may end up in peoples mind in the same category as proven liars and obfuscators (where you have been together with several other participants in this thread for quite some time, in my mind, but i'm willing to change my opinion)...

 

[DGM]

It HAS to be on the opposite side of the Antenna to match the data.

I don't actually think so. The antenna is on the opposite side of Columbia pike. My understanding is it went just over or clipped it on the north side. Paiks shop is north of the antenna (on the other side of the pike). Oh please don't make me look this up again.

 

[The Big Dog]

I told you to read the thread. Maybe you should pay more attention, otherwise you may end up in peoples mind in the same category as proven liars and obfuscators (where you have been together with several other participants in this thread for quite some time, in my mind, but i'm willing to change my opinion)...

You seem concerned with proven liars and obfuscators.

You must REALLY be concerned with CIT.

Say, CE, where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

Whisper it, and they pay attention?

/obvious ducking of the direct question is obvious.

 

[Childlike Empress]

(edit @DGM, you're annoying 16.5) You don't have to look it up, you just have to look at the image i provided in #165. The image of the flight paths. The blue line is the offficial flight path, and the fact that nobody questioned that line in this thread should tell you that it is REALLY the official flight path.

Now, Farmer. Go to page 1 of this thread where i entered the discussion by pointing out what Caustic Logic's theory implies (the witnesses are part of a disinfo operation).

In post #19 i first embedded "NSA" as an answer to post #13 by BCR - i didn't know that he was "John Farmer" and as such deeply familiar with the argument. Here is his post, judge yourself about his honesty:

Who are the 8? I only know of two who were at the Citgo. One was leaning in his car and the other ran inside after pooping on himself. Please source the other 6, I'd really like to hear their accounts.

 

[The Big Dog]

you're annoying 16.5

Oh man, don't I know it!

I ask three really annoying questions:

1. where are the calculations showing an airliner could fly CIT's path?

2. where is the raw video?

3. Say, CE, where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

And you were busy with ad hominem attacks on farmer, instead of addressing any of them.

 

[DGM]

(edit @DGM, you're annoying 16.5) You don't have to look it up, you just have to look at the image i provided in #165. The image of the flight paths. The blue line is the offficial flight path, and the fact that nobody questioned that line in this thread should tell you that it is REALLY the official flight path.

Now, Farmer. Go to page 1 of this thread where i entered the discussion by pointing out what Caustic Logic's theory implies (the witnesses are part of a disinfo operation).

In post #19 i first embedded "NSA" as an answer to post #13 by BCR - i didn't know that he was "John Farmer" and as such deeply familiar with the argument. Here is his post, judge yourself about his honesty:

I don't get it, he seems to be questioning the OP as far as "8 out of 8 at the Citgo". Two were actually at the station. He's correct.

You'll have to forgive me it's time for me to go to bed. You can respond and I will do so in kind in the morning.

 

[leftysergeant]

Accusing Craig Ranke of asking leading questions is more than laughable. He did a fine job and stayed inside the rules of doing investigative journalism. Remember how Morin treated him like an idiot after he asked for clarification?

"Now this is the Navy Annex, this is Columbia Pike and here's a fence. I was behind the fence.".

Nowhere in the Complete Idiot Team video do I hear Paik saying "I was standing here and the plane was here.

Now, ask yourself where on his premises a business owner is likely to be at any given time. Based on my own experience, Koreans tend to remain more focused on the task at hand than Americans and less likely to take a break when there is work to be done.

More likely than not, at any time during the hours from 0900 to 1200, this would put him inside the shop.

 

[LashL]

Accusing Craig Ranke of asking leading questions is more than laughable. He did a fine job and stayed inside the rules of doing investigative journalism.

This is not accurate. Not only are the published interviews chock full of leading questions, the diagram upon which the tree fort duo had the interviewees plot the flight paths that they thought they saw are also leading, and therefore faulty and invalid from the beginning. Ranke and Marquis know absolutely nothing about journalism, investigative or otherwise.

He drew it.

yes, and his flight path shows one that couldn't be done, based on his location and of course his statement that he thought the plane hit the VDOT tower, which would put the plane on the South flight path.

None of the paths drawn by those interviewed by the tree fort gang are valid, actually, not only because most of them are impossible, but they are fundamentally flawed because Ranke/Marquis started out with a leading diagram upon which they had the individuals draw the flight paths. They actually shot themselves in the foot by doing so, and probably would have been better served by providing a neutral diagram, which would not have influenced the witnesses' drawings upon it.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I don't get it, he seems to be questioning the OP as far as "8 out of 8 at the Citgo". Two were actually at the station. He's correct.

You'll have to forgive me it's time for me to go to bed. You can respond and I will do so in kind in the morning.

No. Three are at the station and all together we are talking about around a dozen witnesses. He knew this. I didn't. I told you early in the thread that i'm not familiar with the minutae. That was true (thanks to mudlark for handling the details) and #165 was live debunking. I intended to end it with an invitation to beachnut to examine the evidence together. Until i found out about his "edwardpointsouth.gif" stunt. I wouldn't have cashed in two yellow cards if i hadn't thought that it may be worth it. I was wrong. Damned.

edit @LashL: LOL

 

[LashL]

edit @LashL: LOL

Aren't you even interested in knowing what is wrong with their diagram, and why it renders all of the drawn on paths invalid?

 

[Childlike Empress]

I'm interested in knowing why you show up here. Aren't you busy dominating your minions in the "help-me-to-lynch-the-bad-guys" thread?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

And the legaltainment begins...

 

[LashL]

I'm interested in knowing why you show up here. Aren't you busy dominating your minions in the "help-me-to-lynch-the-bad-guys" thread?

I'll take that as a "no", and I'm not at all surprised. Now, go and ask the tree fort duo what's wrong with their diagram, and see if they will be honest with you.

 

[Childlike Empress]

If you had anything, you would spell it out, boring lawyer girl. Go away or make yourself familiar with the topic. And don't dare to derail.

 

[LashL]

If you had anything, you would spell it out, boring lawyer girl. Go away or make yourself familiar with the topic. And don't dare to derail.

You're afraid to ask them what's wrong with their own diagram, I see. I am not at all surprised. How about you take a shot at it yourself? Do you not see what's fundamentally flawed with it?

I'm very familiar with the topic, as it's very old stuff. And this is not a derail at all. It's about the flight paths drawn by the people at the Citgo and the paths drawn by the other people interviewed by the tree fort duo.

 

[dtugg]

I find it amazing how devoted CITiot fanboys (or girls) are to the CITiots. It's like they are a cult.

 

[The Big Dog]

If you had anything, you would spell it out, boring lawyer girl. Go away or make yourself familiar with the topic. And don't dare to derail.

Whoa, getting cocky, CE? You the big bad god damn bully now? I asked you a question:

Where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

What part of that question don't you get?

Let me repeat it:

where was Paik anyway when he saw the plane?

Stop whining, stop dodging, stop evading, stop bitching.

where was Paik when he saw the plane?

Answer the question, and stop ****ing whining.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You're afraid to ask them what's wrong with their own diagram, I see. I am not at all surprised. How about you take a shot at it yourself? Do you not see what's fundamentally flawed with it?

I'm very familiar with the topic, as it's very old stuff. And this is not a derail at all. It's about the flight paths drawn by the people at the Citgo and the paths drawn by the other people interviewed by the tree fort duo.

So far you failed completely to show what you are talking about. I am not going to take anything you say for granted. Point to stuff with name and source, then we can talk. Or stay with your power game fantasies, boring lawyer girl.

 

[The Big Dog]

So far you failed completely to show what you are talking about. I am not going to take anything you say for granted. Point to stuff with name and source, then we can talk. Or stay with your power game fantasies, boring lawyer girl.

where was Paik when he saw the plane?