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Dr.Sid said:
On PredictIt Harris will soon overtake Biden. Both miles below Trump though.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
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Not sure why I am blocked on that website.

Anyway, here’s a thought. Just throwing it out there.

1. Biden steps down and Kamala Harris takes over (yay! First female president!)

2. Democratic Party organizes a federal-wide primary of all its members, including Kamala Harris who gets a few weeks to surprise people that she’s actually good at what she does.

3. Final vote takes place a few days before the convention.

4. Winner officially becomes the Democratic nominee for president. The party can choose its VP candidate at the convention.

5. The Democratic Party candidate wins the general election in November and thereby saves democracy.
 
angrysoba said:
Not sure why I am blocked on that website.

Anyway, here’s a thought. Just throwing it out there.

1. Biden steps down and Kamala Harris takes over (yay! First female president!)

2. Democratic Party organizes a federal-wide primary of all its members, including Kamala Harris who gets a few weeks to surprise people that she’s actually good at what she does.

3. Final vote takes place a few days before the convention.

4. Winner officially becomes the Democratic nominee for president. The party can choose its VP candidate at the convention.

5. The Democratic Party candidate wins the general election in November and thereby saves democracy.
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This is simillar to the suggestions in the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/replace-biden-strategic-plan/678884/

Time to Roll the Dice

Paywall.
 
Stacyhs said:
Ah, the GOP standard "both sides" fallacy with zero mention of the amount of lies Trump vs Biden told during that debate. From Politifact:

Debate Questions Fact Checks (Trump failed to answer some questions):

Immigration
Trump: Pants of Fire,Mostly False, False,
Biden: Mostly true, Half True.

Abortion:
Trump: False

Inflation and economy:
Trump: Mostly False, False, False,
Biden: Mostly True, Mostly False, Mostly True

Trump Legal Cases:
Trump: False

Social Security, Medicare and taxes:
Trump: False, False, False,
Biden: False, Mostly True

Crime:
Trump: False


Health Care:
Trump: Mostly False,
Biden: Half True, Half True

Foreign policy and terrorism:
Trump: False
Biden: False

Election denial and Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol:
Trump: False, False

Worst president rankings:
Biden: True

Let me guess: Politifacts is a commiesocialistlibtard crony site, right?
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Yes, they are. One need look no further than the "Very fine people" hoax to prove it. Yea they got it right, eventually, and when the truth was to the Democrat party advantage. (Of course someone conveniently forgot to tell Biden during his debate prep to stay away from that talking point for some reason) It's easy to see the influence of the Obamas and Clintons if you'll just take off the blinders.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, they are. One need look no further than the "Very fine people" hoax to prove it. Yea they got it right, eventually, and when the truth was to the Democrat party advantage. (Of course someone conveniently forgot to tell Biden during his debate prep to stay away from that talking point for some reason) It's easy to see the influence of the Obamas and Clintons if you'll just take off the blinders.
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Who are the "very fine people" who attend a white supremacist rally?
 
Many people resigned from Trump's cabinet and his economic council disbanded because of the Charlottesville remarks - but as always with Trump Fans they know better what Trump says and means than the people he is actually spending time with.
 
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Time to Roll the Dice by Anne Applebaum

The Democrats can hold a new round of primary debates, town halls, and public meetings from now until August 19, when the Democratic National Convention opens. Once a week, twice a week, three times a week—the television networks would compete to show them. Millions would watch. Politics would be interesting again. After a turbulent summer, whoever emerges victorious in a vote of delegates at the DNC can spend the autumn campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—and win the presidency. America and the democratic alliance would be saved.
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Seriously?

It takes months to set these things up. Networks would not care. Millions would not
watch. The delegate, for the most part, have to reflect the wishes of the voters in the
primaries. You cannot simply start the primary process over again. I'm sure state laws
apply here. Campaign only in three states and ignoring the rest got us into this position.

Fantasy politics. Instant success, just add water. But no years of hard work.
 
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angrysoba said:
Nice. I’ll see if I can find an archived version!

Thanks.

ETA: oh, and if this is supposed to save democracy, why would they pay-wall it? It should be free as a public service, I would think.
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Wow! It is pretty similar!

Did Ms Applebaum steal my idea?

Yes. Britain is about to finish a whole election campaign in six weeks. When the final round of voting is held on Sunday, France’s current election campaign will have lasted three weeks. The delegates to the Democratic National Convention don’t need to sleepwalk into catastrophe. They can demand that Biden release them from their pledge to support him. They can tear up the rule book, just like political parties do in other countries, and carry out a cold-blooded analysis.

Three states are essential to a Democratic presidential victory: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. All three have popular, successful, articulate Democratic governors. A tactical, strategic political party would pick one of the three as its presidential nominee. The one who performs best on a debate stage, the one with the best polling, or the one who can raise the most money—the criterion doesn’t matter. Vice President Kamala Harris and any other candidates who stand a chance of winning those three states would be welcome to join the competition too. Everyone who enters should pledge their support to the winner.

The Democrats can hold a new round of primary debates, town halls, and public meetings from now until August 19, when the Democratic National Convention opens. Once a week, twice a week, three times a week—the television networks would compete to show them. Millions would watch. Politics would be interesting again. After a turbulent summer, whoever emerges victorious in a vote of delegates at the DNC can spend the autumn campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—and win the presidency. America and the democratic alliance would be saved.
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dirtywick said:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4154484/katie-johnson-v-donald-j-trump/

recently released testimony against trump from one of epstein’s victims. check document 1 page 3 if you’ve got the stomach for it.

anyway, biden is old as dirt
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Probably out of context?

A viral post on social media is circulating a court document with allegations of sexual assault against former president Donald Trump made in a legal filing that was dismissed almost a decade ago.

The post alleges that Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for this year's presidential election, "forced" young girls to "perform lesbian sex acts." It has amassed more than 17 millions views on X, formerly Twitter, since Monday, and has been shared more than 34,000 times.

Some X users appeared to believe that the document is a recent filing. The post was shared after about 150 pages of transcripts related to a 2006 grand jury investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's rape and sex trafficking of teenagers was released to the public on Monday.

However, the document included in the X post isn't connected to those papers, but actually comes from a lawsuit filed in the months leading up to the 2016 election by an anonymous plaintiff using the name "Katie Johnson."

That lawsuit, filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April 2016, named Trump and Epstein, the late convicted sex offender, as defendants. It claimed the men held Johnson as a "sex slave" in 1994 when she was 13 and forced her to perform sex acts.

A judge dismissed the case in May that year, ruling that the complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law, Politico reported at the time.
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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...gations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051
 
Solitaire said:
Seriously?

It takes months to set these things up. Networks would not care. Millions would not
watch. The delegate, for the most part, have to reflect the wishes of the voters in the
primaries. You cannot simply start the primary process over again. I'm sure state laws apply here. Campaign only in three states and ignoring the rest got us into this position.

Fantasy politics. Instant success, just add water. But no years of hard work.
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These just looks like pointless objections.

If Biden decides to drop out, do you think the people who voted in the primaries will feel agrieved or robbed? Do you not think many of them are also thinking "Holy ****, Biden really is old!" Besides, the primaries were almost not worth their name given that nobody was seriously challenging Biden except the guy from the Young Turks who is ineligible anyway.

As for state laws. The states have already had their primaries. It would be idiotic to think that they somehow get to say that a primary cannot be re-run. What is a state to do? Go to the Supreme Court about it? Biden can overrule them and say he is acting in an official duty.

Also, the "no years of hard work" objection just seems to fetishize pointless labour.

Look, if Biden is too old to run, then he's too old. That's something that people have to learn to accept. They will learn it one way or the other. Though I assume from your "years of hard work" stipulation that you insist on learning the hard way. Hard way is best way, right?
 
angrysoba said:
...if this is supposed to save democracy...
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Politicians & pundits who say democracy is at stake don't really believe it. If they did, they would've all been insisting on a candidate with a chance of winning all along, not just for the last week.
 
johnny karate said:
Who are the "very fine people" who attend a white supremacist rally?
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No surprise it's something the idiot left whipped up out of nothing:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
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To repeat, I am voting for whomever the Democrats nominate this time around. But it definitely makes me uncomfortable that people who think Trump is evil incarnate (and not just bombastic buffoon) rely a lot on that bogus quote.
 
Brainster said:
No surprise it's something the idiot left whipped up out of nothing:
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I’m aware of Trump’s denial and I’m also aware that fact-checkers like Politifact aren’t assessing the veracity of Trump’s denial. They are merely confirming the denial exists.

Regardless, the question remains: Who are the “very fine people” who attend a white supremacist rally?
 
johnny karate said:
I’m aware of Trump’s denial and I’m also aware that fact-checkers like Politifact aren’t assessing the veracity of Trump’s denial. They are merely confirming the denial exists.

Regardless, the question remains: Who are the “very fine people” who attend a white supremacist rally?
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Your poor brain has been hacked by propagandists.
 
Brainster said:
No surprise it's something the idiot left whipped up out of nothing:
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Sort of. Here's a Snopes fact check stating Trump did condemn white supremacists and nazis.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."
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Editors' Note: Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was correct in stating that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. That is not the case. This fact check aimed to confirm what Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false. For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong.
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