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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

smartcooky said:
How does enacting a federal abortion ban "get government out of their lives"?
How does banning books that make god-botherers uncomfortable "get government out of their lives"?
How does banning the teaching of America's racist history "get government out of their lives"?
How does abrogating the rights of gays, lesbians and transgender people "get government out of their lives"?
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Are you just making stuff up? You can always imagine some sort of dystopian world. But when you're done with that, come back to us in reality.
 
Aridas said:
Uh huh. You do realize that Republicans electing a brazen criminal who surrounds himself with criminals and eggs on criminal conduct rather makes your pretense ridiculous from the start, right?

Quite literally, you rejected an actual prosecutor in favored of a coddled convicted felon and rapist. Face it, "common sense" isn't actually your guide here.
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Not handling it well, are you?
 
smartcooky said:
Your Yahoo link data is almost three years out of date (Dec 2021). Much has changed since then, and the CBPP link I provided is much more up to date (June 2024)
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Yes, it is a mystery why those with more money would benefit more from tax cuts. Time to call Columbo.
 
Oh, California.

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Trausti said:
Are you just making stuff up? You can always imagine some sort of dystopian world. But when you're done with that, come back to us in reality.
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No, I'm referring to the stated policies of Repugnicans.

Federal abortion ban: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...on-ban-with-zero-exceptions-in-latest-budget/

Banning the teaching of America's real history of slavery - already banned or severely restricted in 35 states: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/03/1077878538/legislation-restricts-what-teachers-can-discuss

Banning books: https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023

Gay marriage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli.../senator-vote-count-respect-for-marriage-act/
Only 12 Senate Republicans supported it.. a disturbingly low number for a bill that should have passed 100-0
 
Aridas said:
That's the thing. The "election was stolen" stuff, especially around election day, tends to be Republican stuff. Democrats saying similar tend to have notably more fact and evidence behind it. Had things been closer or Republicans lost, we'd be hearing lots from them, much of it utter BS, yet again, and the open plots to actually steal the election would likely have been triggered. Trump and co laid lots of groundwork to try to do so, after all, overwhelmingly in the form of utter BS and misinformation, but not just that. Democrats didn't.

With that said, as it was, lots of heavily Democratic areas in multiple states apparently had bomb threats that disrupted operations. How many voters decided not to vote because of those disruptions is rather hard to tell, like is the case with a number of Republican voter suppression tactics. Ballots in drop boxes in heavily Democratic areas were burned in multiple states in the lead up to the election, but are unlikely to have changed things notably. Other things could be noted, but most of them are not new and don't really need rehashed.


Uh huh. You do realize that Republicans electing a brazen criminal who surrounds himself with criminals and eggs on criminal conduct rather makes your pretense ridiculous from the start, right?

Quite literally, you rejected an actual prosecutor in favored of a coddled convicted felon and rapist. Face it, "common sense" isn't actually your guide here.
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Law and Prison , in Trusti;s world, is only for the poor and the non white.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, he can run twice on his own. Inheriting the presidency doesn't count against your two-term limit. But you can't game the system by having two terms of your own, then being vice president for someone else who then steps down or dies: you wouldn't be eligible to run for VP because the VP candidate has to be eligible for the presidency, which a former two-term president isn't.
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Not quite. If the VP served more than 2 years of the ex-President's term they can only be elected once. LBJ came in under that line so was eligible in '68.
 
Trausti said:
I was happily pointing out how California was edging back from insanity and that somehow triggered your TDS. Going to be a long eight year for you.
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Unfortunately, it likely will be a very unpleasant time, however long it is. The point rather stands, though, in general. So long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind Trump, stuff like this (especially from those like you) ends up as rather ridiculous -
Trausti said:
I'm saying these are victories for common sense. Dems didn't used coddle criminals and promote societal decline.
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Trausti said:
Would be nice if that Dem party made a return.
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Would be nice if the Republican Party actually demonstrated that they cared by example, instead of actively aiding and abetting the crimes and promoting societal decline.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Every accusation from them is a confession. It's so weird.
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Yeah... like actual lawfare and jailing your opponents. Making false accusations of Russian collusion. Spying on a campaign, funded by the opposition, promoted by a corrupt media with a false FISA warrant with known lies- signed off by fbi directors.. Actually censoring the media from 'misinformation' that ends up being completely true. Like that?


I don't need more evidenceof those factual real life things that already happend- provable indisputed facts vs the fear of future actions by conservatives repeated constantly but that didn't happen.
 
Aridas said:
Unfortunately, it likely will be a very unpleasant time, however long it is. The point rather stands, though, in general. So long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind Trump, stuff like this (especially from those like you) ends up as rather ridiculous -


Would be nice if the Republican Party actually demonstrated that they cared by example, instead of actively aiding and abetting.
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Ultimate irony is I am not sure Trump has any real classic conservative principals.
 
Trausti said:
Oh, California.

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Your couching of this as a pro-slavery stance is both disingenuous and ridiculous. Inmates are inmates because they have been found guilty of committing crimes. They ought to have to work for their keep. There is no comparison between this and slavery.

Slaves did nothing wrong or illegal. They were forcibly removed from their homes in a distant land, and forced to work under threat of beatings and torture.
 
smartcooky said:
Your couching of this as a pro-slavery stance is both disingenuous and ridiculous. Inmates are inmates because they have been found guilty of committing crimes. They ought to have to work for their keep. There is no comparison between this and slavery.

Slaves did nothing wrong or illegal. They were forcibly removed from their homes in a distant land, and forced to work under threat of beatings and torture.
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You have like no sense of humor. Lighten up, Francis
 
smartcooky said:
No, I'm referring to the stated policies of Repugnicans.

Federal abortion ban: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...on-ban-with-zero-exceptions-in-latest-budget/

Banning the teaching of America's real history of slavery - already banned or severely restricted in 35 states: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/03/1077878538/legislation-restricts-what-teachers-can-discuss

Banning books: https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023

Gay marriage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli.../senator-vote-count-respect-for-marriage-act/
Only 12 Senate Republicans supported it.. a disturbingly low number for a bill that should have passed 100-0
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And when none of this happens, what?
 
Sherkeu said:
Yeah... like actual lawfare and jailing your opponents. Making false accusations of Russian collusion. Spying on a campaign, funded by the opposition, promoted by a corrupt media with a false FISA warrant with known lies- signed off by fbi directors.. Actually censoring the media from 'misinformation' that ends up being completely true. Like that?


I don't need more evidenceof those factual real life things that already happend- provable indisputed facts vs the fear of future actions by conservatives repeated constantly but that didn't happen.
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No.
 
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