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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

johnny karate said:
You didn’t provide quotes of anyone saying that.



Believe it or not, Trump and Republicans are massive hypocrites trying to make an issue out of a nonissue:
Under Trump, U.S. Prisons Offered Gender-Affirming Care
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Read it more carefully than you apparently did:

Trump appointees at the Bureau of Prisons, a division of the Justice Department, provided an array of gender-affirming treatments, including hormone therapy, for a small group of inmates who requested it during Mr. Trump’s four years in office.

In a February 2018 budget memo to Congress, bureau officials wrote that under federal law, they were obligated to pay for a prisoner’s “surgery” if it was deemed medically necessary. Still, legal wrangling delayed the first such operation until 2022, long after Mr. Trump left office.
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dudalb said:
One problem I see in this thread is that a lot of people seem unable to understand polls, can't tell the useful ones from the unuseful ones.
For one thing, in a system based on the electorial college, the polls which just give nationwide numbers are useless. it is the individual states that matter.
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Agree.
If it was a one person one vote system, 40% of all the visits would be to the west coast, mostly to California. Then a priority on urban areas...Houston, Chicago, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, etc...
Places they do not go in an electoral college vote.
They campaign to the margins in some states because this is a republic of 50 individual states- and each cycle there are those that are more 'winnable' than others. It does change though. The west used to be red, and the south blue! (See 1976)
 
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dudalb said:
One problem I see in this thread is that a lot of people seem unable to understand polls, can't tell the useful ones from the unuseful ones.
For one thing, in a system based on the electorial college, the polls which just give nationwide numbers are useless. it is the individual states that matter.
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To be fair, state polls are suffering from the same problems as the national ones.
 
Dr.Sid said:
To be fair, state polls are suffering from the same problems as the national ones.
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State polls can matter if done right, and with a decent sample size.

National polls only matter to the psychology of people who think it matters.
They are lazy polls with almost no meaning. Winners are not decided on a national vote tally.
 
dudalb said:
And these nationwide polls are useless anyway. it all depends on the individual states with an electorial college.
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dudalb said:
One problem I see in this thread is that a lot of people seem unable to understand polls, can't tell the useful ones from the unuseful ones.
For one thing, in a system based on the electorial college, the polls which just give nationwide numbers are useless. it is the individual states that matter.
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Just so you know, it's electoral.
 
Sherkeu said:
Agree.
If it was a one person one vote system, 40% of all the visits would be to the west coast, mostly to California. Then a priority on urban areas...Houston, Chicago, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, etc...
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As opposed to the rural enclaves of Detroit, Philidelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Phoenix...

also, why is it bad if the visits went to areas with a proportionate population? Why is it bad for candidates to try and get votes fro mthe republicans of the Inldand emppire? Do you think their voices shouldn't be heard?

Places they do not go in an electoral college vote.
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Until recently, the suburbs around Miami were a hot spot for presidential campaigning

They campaign to the margins in some states
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They do not. They mostly focus on the white, affluent suburbs around the large cities in those swing states.

because this is a republic of 50 individual states- and each cycle there are those that are more 'winnable' than others. It does change though. The west used to be red, and the south blue! (See 1976)
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How about, instead of every cycle some people "being more equal than others", we just make everyone equal? One person one vote?
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Depressing interviews with 'independents' in Michigan with one couple saying, whilst they don't like Trump's personality they'll vote for him because 'he is better at articulating his policies than Harris 'Mayor Amer Ghalib, Detroit's first Arab Mayor endorsing Trump because 'he is a man of principles'.

What the **** are these people watching?
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Harris's staunch refusal to articulate a position on anything except for a couple of cheesy economic incentives to buy votes.

BTW, Ghalib is the mayor of Hamtramck, not Detroit.
 
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Samson said:
Just checking in, does anyone here still hold a candle for Kamala and Tim?
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The two major, reliably impartial forecasts still give Harris a slight edge. I don't know what is driving the betting markets' swing toward Trump, but the current odds against her, about 58:42, are little worse than a coin flip.
 
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Maybe they think the typical problem gambler fits the profile of a Trump voter?
 
jt512 said:
Harris's staunch refusal to articulate a position on anything except for a couple of cheesy economic incentives to buy votes.

BTW, Ghalib is the mayor of Hamtramck, not Detroit.
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What policy has Trump articulated?
 
plague311 said:
So me explaining to you why I think you are ******* wrong, detailing why, means that I think you're right? lol and you're accusing ME of running the right-winger playbook?
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You didn't expolai nwhy I was wrong. You went with a hyyperbolic strawman to try and dismiss issues yo ucan't address.

There are legitimate criticisms of Harris. Pointing them out does not mean the person voicing them wants Trump to win.

Why do you insist on pushing a false dichotomy?

You're literally bitching about her accepting 1 endorsement and thanking him for his military service? He was a pilot. He served. What the hell?
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HE'S A ******* WAR CRIMINAL! He's a big part of why a piece of **** like Trump seemed like a good idea to so many people.

What would you have done? Told all Americans that Cheney can go **** himself? Because that's the mark of a true politician? That won't alienate votes? This is absolutely bonkers. To most people it's a shoulder shrug.
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A luke warm "hey thanks, I'll say something nice at your sentencing" and move along, if I was in a good mood.

Maybe the half dozen or so "good" Republicans that guest spot on CNN and MSNBC aren't a big enough demographic to risk dperessing turnout among you base. Why is it when a dempographic that historically supprots Democrats expresses disagreement with the party, they need to shut up and get in line? When a Republican comes in and starts telling Democrats what to do, the party and the media have them front and center?
 
arthwollipot said:
Keep it to the relevant threads, please.
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Sorry, Arth. I was replying to something up-thread about Cruz vs. Allred (Texas Senate race), and Allred's comments as quoted from their debate. I'll try to stay more on-topic hereafter.
 
Brainster said:
Read it more carefully than you apparently did:
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Trump appointees during the Trump administration - at a time when Republicans controlled both the presidency and Congress - provided gender-affirming care to prisoners. Is there something that you think contradicts that?
 
jt512 said:
Harris's staunch refusal to articulate a position on anything except for a couple of cheesy economic incentives to buy votes.

BTW, Ghalib is the mayor of Hamtramck, not Detroit.
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Harris made a point on numerous issues in her Trump debate. Abortion etc.

The problem is that her positions are the same as Biden's who "caused inflation" according to the low information voter.0
 
acbytesla said:
I saw footage of auto assembly lines in the 1930s, 50s, 70s, 90s and 2020. Those factories in the 1930s through to the 1970s were filled with people. It is shocking how few people are working in those factories today.
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Hopefully not too much of a sidetrack, I'm reminded of how that has happened in the breweries. My great uncle worked most of his life in the Pabst Brewery in Milwaukee. It was a long time ago that they have been able to automate just about everything other than shipping and receiving. Not the same as cars but same direction.
 
Tero said:
Q: Could you explain your gun control policy to the parents of the victims of school shootings?
Trump: I could. You need guns. You need them for entertainment, for sport, and other things
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Here is most of the audience Q&A where that took place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3tvZi5fTZw&t=351s

Great questions, too bad journalists don't ask these very same questions. They might then say: "but you didn't answer my question."
 
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