Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

[Disbelief]

I think it's called trolling.

That everyone continuously feeds.

 

[Delvo]

Depressing interviews with 'independents' in Michigan with one couple saying, whilst they don't like Trump's personality they'll vote for him because 'he is better at articulating his policies than Harris'

Their inarticulateness takes two different forms. His is that of an old guy who's drunk on his porch, or a co-worker who unintentionally gets a bit babbly sometimes especially on subjects he's not very familiar with. Hers is that of a professor or lawyer trying to condescendingly bluff her way through an encounter she wasn't prepared for because of her ivory-tower isolation from the real world.

The latter strikes most people as worse than the former. Yes, they're both types of inarticulateness, but, to most normal ordinary people, the former is how one of "us" would do it, and the latter is how one of "them" would do it. People are used to the former with normal ordinary people in their real lives so it feels more normal & ordinary, not standing out from the background enough to get singled out for attention; they only encounter the latter when something's going wrong.

(The latter has also been an ongoing problem for Democrats for decades, so it has built-in "I'm so tired of this political crap" connections, while most Republican politicians have not spend those same decades building up a reputation for sounding too much like the former.)

 

[plague311]

Looks like Georgians are hitting the ground running:

The state set a record for the first day of early voting, Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling posted.

"2pm Early Vote Update we are just piling on the record 1st Day turnout. Already 187,973 votes have been cast, so we are looking at blowing by 200,000 votes cast in person today. Hats off to our counties and the voters who are turning out. HUGE!” Sterling posted on X. ABC

As is fairly commonly known higher turnout tends to benefit the Dems. Hopefully this is a good sign that Harris will be taking Georgia, despite her condescendingly, inarticulate speaking patterns.

...or maybe it's like some progressives\far right people on this forum say and all these people are getting out to vote for Trump because Harris is so unelectable.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Looks like Georgians are hitting the ground running:

As is fairly commonly known higher turnout tends to benefit the Dems. Hopefully this is a good sign that Harris will be taking Georgia

I still have high hopes Harris has got this. Polls be damned, I think Americans have just had enough of Dump. Even fellow GOPers are turning against him.

Still holding out for Pence endorsing Harris as an October surprise, though.

 

[plague311]

I still have high hopes Harris has got this. Polls be damned, I think Americans have just had enough of Dump. Even fellow GOPers are turning against him.

Still holding out for Pence endorsing Harris as an October surprise, though.

The hardest for her is going to be Michigan. She doesn't seem to be doing well there. Issues getting the Black male vote, and she's on the outs with a significant portion of the Muslim community (if the news is to be believed). That won't be a nail in the coffin for her but I'm hoping she still finds a way to reign it in.

From the articles I've read the Muslim community isn't going to be casting their votes for Trump, either. It sounds like some of that community will be going for Jill Stein.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I think it's called trolling.

Actually I think it's more of a manifestation of Dougal McGuire syndrome, the systematic inability to distinguish truth from fiction.

 

[Paul2]

I still have high hopes Harris has got this. Polls be damned, I think Americans have just had enough of Dump. Even fellow GOPers are turning against him.

Still holding out for Pence endorsing Harris as an October surprise, though.

Don't forget all the ****ery and b******* about counting and certifying the votes at the state level, and another certification process in Congress to endure. The Electoral College is just the first step.

 

[Paul2]

The hardest for her is going to be Michigan. She doesn't seem to be doing well there. Issues getting the Black male vote, and she's on the outs with a significant portion of the Muslim community (if the news is to be believed). That won't be a nail in the coffin for her but I'm hoping she still finds a way to reign it in.

From the articles I've read the Muslim community isn't going to be casting their votes for Trump, either. It sounds like some of that community will be going for Jill Stein.

Nate Silver's Silver Bulletin has PA closer than MI. Kamala needs both (and WI, too).

 

[plague311]

“I’m only trying to make it to vote for Kamala Harris,” Carter told his son Chip in August.

Well, he made it! In a story that's going viral (again):

Former President Jimmy Carter fulfilled his wish of voting for Vice President Harris in the 2024 presidential election, just more than two weeks after his 100th birthday.

The Carter Center confirmed Wednesday that Carter voted by mail on Oct. 16.

Good for him. Now he can die a happy man.

 

[Donal]

Looks like Georgians are hitting the ground running:



As is fairly commonly known higher turnout tends to benefit the Dems.

That's not really true. While that seems to be a recent trend, it says more about the specific election.

Hopefully this is a good sign that Harris will be taking Georgia, despite her condescendingly, inarticulate speaking patterns.

...or maybe it's like some progressives\far right people on this forum say and all these people are getting out to vote for Trump because Harris is so unelectable.

Ya, she can be carried by the Dick Cheney Wing of the Democratic Party.

 

[plague311]

That's not really true. While that seems to be a recent trend, it says more about the specific election.

Ya, she can be carried by the Dick Cheney Wing of the Democratic Party.

Well then **** her I guess. I hope Kamala gets ******* railroaded so all the progressives and right wingers can be happy. Is that better? Am I doing it right? Nothing she does is good? She's a ******* dope and everyone has to hate her? How much do I have to hate her? Do I constantly have to criticize her or can she do something, anything, right?

I'm just trying to gauge how angry I have to be and how much I have to **** on her when the election is between her and a traitor? Can you tell me? Delvo? Is there some progressive here that can tell me if I can actually post anything positive about her?

******* Christ with this place.

 

[Donal]

Well then **** her I guess. I hope Kamala gets ******* railroaded so all the progressives and right wingers can be happy. Is that better? Am I doing it right? Nothing she does is good? She's a ******* dope and everyone has to hate her? How much do I have to hate her? Do I constantly have to criticize her or can she do something, anything, right?

Extreme Centrism! I spend a good bit of time trying to defend her and address the concerns about her. Some of them are ******** right-wing talking points. Some of them are very legitimate.

Are you really going to be mad at people for finding "Thank you for your service, Dick Cheney" pretty damned distasteful? That doesn't make you a little uneasy? Do you think Bush 2's administration was beneficial? Was he so much better than Trump? Do you understand Cheney's role in the current *********?

Who the actual **** is listening to Dick Cheney?

"I'll appoint Republicans so I can hear from them even though at best, I'll have a split Senate and will need to negotiate with them."

I'm just trying to gauge how angry I have to be and how much I have to **** on her when the election is between her and a traitor? Can you tell me? Delvo? Is there some progressive here that can tell me if I can actually post anything positive about her?

******* Christ with this place.

How about stop embracing war criminals? Can we try that?or is that too much to ask?

Or, you can keep wagging your finger at people who actually want Democrats to fight for their own goddamned platform. Because that works so well.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think it's called trolling.

Exactly my thought.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I guess Kamala isn't perfect so lets vote for **** his pants.

 

[plague311]

Or, you can keep wagging your finger at people who actually want Democrats to fight for their own goddamned platform. Because that works so well.

I think she's in the middle of an extremely tight race and she's trying to find votes from anywhere she can and she's doing her best. Do I condone what Cheney has done? No. Is ******* Dick on the God damn ******* stage with her? No. Her daughter made a statement that Dick is voting for Kamala. Unless I'm missing something else, that's all that was said. He isn't posting videos, he isn't campaigning with her, he isn't on her ******* tour bus. It was a comment by his daughter. This just furthers my point. Bitching for the sake of bitching.

Other than that, I have a bit of respect for his daughter due to her standing up for what was right on Jan. 6th. Despite knowing she'd lose her seat, be chastised by the entire GOP, and basically become a leper, she still participated to get the truth out.

I'm not like you guys. I don't need criticize Harris just for waking up. I don't see Dick Cheney's support as this huge, game changing aspect to the election. I see it for what it is. Harris trying to make a point that even ardent right wing politicians are voting for her because Trump is crazy.

But, stick with what you know. Just let me know when I'm getting to pro-Harris and I'll do my best to call her a ******* moron in a few posts to even it out.

 

[Stacyhs]

Their inarticulateness takes two different forms. His is that of an old guy who's drunk on his porch, or a co-worker who unintentionally gets a bit babbly sometimes especially on subjects he's not very familiar with. Hers is that of a professor or lawyer trying to condescendingly bluff her way through an encounter she wasn't prepared for because of her ivory-tower isolation from the real world. The latter strikes most people as worse than the former. Yes, they're both types of inarticulateness, but, to most normal ordinary people, the former is how one of "us" would do it, and the latter is how one of "them" would do it. People are used to the former with normal ordinary people in their real lives so it feels more normal & ordinary, not standing out from the background enough to get singled out for attention; they only encounter the latter when something's going wrong.
(The latter has also been an ongoing problem for Democrats for decades, so it has built-in "I'm so tired of this political crap" connections, while most Republican politicians have not spend those same decades building up a reputation for sounding too much like the former.)

 

[Stacyhs]

Well then **** her I guess. I hope Kamala gets ******* railroaded so all the progressives and right wingers can be happy. Is that better? Am I doing it right? Nothing she does is good? She's a ******* dope and everyone has to hate her? How much do I have to hate her? Do I constantly have to criticize her or can she do something, anything, right?

I'm just trying to gauge how angry I have to be and how much I have to **** on her when the election is between her and a traitor? Can you tell me? Delvo? Is there some progressive here that can tell me if I can actually post anything positive about her?

******* Christ with this place.

You've expressed my thoughts exactly.

 

[jimbob]

Well then **** her I guess. I hope Kamala gets ******* railroaded so all the progressives and right wingers can be happy. Is that better? Am I doing it right? Nothing she does is good? She's a ******* dope and everyone has to hate her? How much do I have to hate her? Do I constantly have to criticize her or can she do something, anything, right?

I'm just trying to gauge how angry I have to be and how much I have to **** on her when the election is between her and a traitor? Can you tell me? Delvo? Is there some progressive here that can tell me if I can actually post anything positive about her?

******* Christ with this place.

From a Twitter group chat today about something else but relevant

See, this is where the far-left annoy the tits off of me, you can never be pure enough with these *****, everything is a purity test. The spend more time cancelling one another than they do targeting the right ��

 

[Donal]

No, it plays into the talking point that Harris is a typical politician who wants to prop up the same politicians who screw us all over.

It's one thing to point out long-time Republicans seeing Trump as a threat. It's good to try and meet voters where they are by going to FOX news (provided she is prepared to defend her positions and doesn't just nod along to every attack on democratic policies), it's good she's even supposedly going on Rogan (I'm skeptical of that actually happening).

But don't specifically name-check him and thank him for his service. Besides all the war crimes, his ******** led directly to the ascent of Trump. No one is more "what has been" than Dick Cheney.

And that fact that all you can do is run the right-winger playbook in the face of legitimate criticism shows how angry you are that I'm right.

 

[plague311]

And that fact that all you can do is run the right-winger playbook in the face of legitimate criticism shows how angry you are that I'm right.

So me explaining to you why I think you are ******* wrong, detailing why, means that I think you're right? lol and you're accusing ME of running the right-winger playbook?

You're literally bitching about her accepting 1 endorsement and thanking him for his military service? He was a pilot. He served. What the hell?

What would you have done? Told all Americans that Cheney can go **** himself? Because that's the mark of a true politician? That won't alienate votes? This is absolutely bonkers. To most people it's a shoulder shrug.