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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

Tero said:
It's a fake poll. It assumes a certain male/female ratio. Women are likely to show up even more than 2020.
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And these nationwide polls are useless anyway. it all depends on the individual states with an electorial college.
 
plague311 said:
The hardest for her is going to be Michigan. She doesn't seem to be doing well there. Issues getting the Black male vote, and she's on the outs with a significant portion of the Muslim community (if the news is to be believed). That won't be a nail in the coffin for her but I'm hoping she still finds a way to reign it in.

From the articles I've read the Muslim community isn't going to be casting their votes for Trump, either. It sounds like some of that community will be going for Jill Stein.
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iM which cast they are idiots.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I guess Kamala isn't perfect so lets vote for **** his pants.
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Ain't that the truth?

It's quite revelatory that because she's made some mistakes, she's worthless and instead people would rather vote for a convicted felon, multiple-bankrupt, racist, misogynist and rapist who will cause generational damage to the entire country*.


*Beyond the damage already done in his first term.
 
Brainster said:
The tariffs are a terrible idea and would indeed lead to higher inflation. That said a lot of people are still hoping that the manufacturing jobs will come back, and tariffs are often seen as a way of promoting domestic manufacturing (which it does by rendering imported good more expensive). This is why unions have opposed free trade agreements like NAFTA.
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Problemis a lot of the manfacutring jobs as NEver comng back even if the industries do, it's called automation. Most assemblyline workers job is supervising the robots nowdays.
 
Alabama attempt to purge their voter rolls halted by federal judge.
Federal judge orders Alabama to reverse program that purged more than 3,000 names from state voter rolls
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Manasco, who was appointed to the bench by former President Donald Trump, added that Allen “admitted” that his purge program “included thousands of United States citizens (in addition to far fewer noncitizens, who are ineligible to vote),” and that the secretary of state referred all of the individuals to the state’s attorney general for criminal investigation.

The ruling is a major victory for the US Justice Department and several voters in the state who sued Allen last month, alleging he unlawfully removed 3,251 names from the state’s registration lists. It comes as Republicans continue to make noncitizen voting a major issue ahead of the 2024 election, even though voting in US elections by noncitizens is illegal and exceedingly rare.
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“The evidence in court – which showed over a 60% error rate in the state’s list – underscores the importance of the National Voter Registration Act to protect voters from last-minute threats to their voting rights,” Michelle Kanter Cohen of the Fair Elections Center said in a statement.
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Fox's dishonesty revealed again: they packed the town hall with Trump supporters.

Fox News did not disclose its all-women town hall with Trump was packed with his supporters

The Georgia town hall, where Trump took questions on reproductive laws, transgender rights and other issues, aired Wednesday morning. But Fox News did not disclose that the female audience it selected for the event was packed with local Republican supporters and the network edited its broadcast to remove some of their vocal advocacy of Trump.

The Georgia Federation of Republican Women wrote on its Facebook page Wednesday that the group helped host the event, posting photos from the venue and writing they were “Super excited for the opportunity of hosting this event right here in Georgia!”

Shortly after CNN reached out to the group and Fox News about their role, the post was edited to state they were “excited for the opportunity of attending this event right here in Georgia!”
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A Fox News spokesperson told CNN the event was not hosted by any Republican group and that it was the network’s event alone. But the right-wing outlet did not disclose the makeup of the audience in its press release announcing the town hall or in Faulkner’s introduction, stating only that it was “held with an audience entirely composed of women.”

The first question posed to Trump at the town hall came from a woman identified as Lisa, who asked the former president a question about the economy. The network did not disclose that Lisa is also the president of the Fulton County Republican Women group.
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The crowd of women was overwhelmingly supportive of the former president, welcoming Trump with a standing ovation and often breaking out into applause during his responses. When Trump called President Joe Biden “the worst president in history” and Vice President Kamala Harris “the worst vice president,” the crowd burst into cheers.
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According to CNN’s fact check of the event, Trump made at least 19 false claims in the one-hour town hall. Faulkner did not fact check Trump on stage.

The UK-based news outlet The Independent, which reported from the Georgia event, spoke with attendees and noted many “were from Republican groups around the area whom Fox News invited.”
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It appears that many Democrats up for re-election have suddenly discovered that they never, ever, supported biological boys playing on girls' sports teams.

Colin Allred, in a tight race against Ted Cruz:

“I don’t want boys playing girls’ sports or any of this ridiculous stuff that Ted Cruz is saying.”
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Sherrod Brown:

In Ohio, embattled incumbent Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown has also felt compelled to respond with his own ad calling the idea that he supports males competing against females in sports “a complete lie.”
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Trump has an ad out there right now on featuring Kamala saying that she supports government paid gender-affirming surgery on illegal aliens, and noting that she helped obtain public funding for gender-affirming surgery for a convicted murder.

I am on Team Harris; the coconut tree is not ironic. But that ad (which helpfully notes that the New York Times confirmed Trump's claim) is a direct hit. It even closes with the statement that Harris is for "they/them" while Trump is for us. I winced the 20th time I saw it this weekend.
 
With a few exceptions, I think sports should be as ungendered as possible. Let the best player play, let that person win. I've been educated (by smacks upside my head administered by my beloved better half) that there are certain sports where this doesn't make sense, which is why I've decided gendered sports make sense for some sports.

All that is irrelevant to the trans issue. Given gendered sports, one doesn't want to allow the wrong gender to participate. But gender is not the same as biological sex. And even biological sex isn't bivalued -- the SRY gene can translocate to an X and still be expressed, giving and XX person male phenotype. Or SRY can be deleted, giving an XY person a female phenotype. Any number of other weird epigenetic strangenesses can occur.

Sex is complicated outside the first standard deviation. Gender is far more complicated. One-liners from either side of the trans debate do the issue a disservice. For political debates, perhaps taking a stand on "boys playing on a girls' team" makes sense, but I'd prefer candidates just say, "That's a really complicated issue that deserves its own debate," and stop alienating those who have strong views.
 
dudalb said:
Problemis a lot of the manfacutring jobs as NEver comng back even if the industries do, it's called automation. Most assemblyline workers job is supervising the robots nowdays.
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I saw footage of auto assembly lines in the 1930s, 50s, 70s, 90s and 2020. Those factories in the 1930s through to the 1970s were filled with people. It is shocking how few people are working in those factories today.
 
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Alabama: still trying to keep all but the right people..whites..from voting.
I guess the Harlan Ellison essay from the 60's 'From Alabamy with Hate" is still revelent.
 
acbytesla said:
I saw footage of auto assembly lines in the 1930s, 50s, 70s, 90s and 2020. Those factories in the 1930s through to the 1970s were filled with people. It is shocking how few people are working in those factories today.
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You really cannot stop technology. If a machine can do a job just as well and for a lot less money then a human, the machine will always win. Regardless of what economic system you have.SOcialar contries have automated just as much as the captialist countries.
The assembly line jobs are gone, and they are not coming back.
 
Brainster said:
It appears that many Democrats up for re-election have suddenly discovered that they never, ever, supported biological boys playing on girls' sports teams.
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You didn’t provide quotes of anyone saying that.

Trump has an ad out there right now on featuring Kamala saying that she supports government paid gender-affirming surgery on illegal aliens, and noting that she helped obtain public funding for gender-affirming surgery for a convicted murder.

I am on Team Harris; the coconut tree is not ironic. But that ad (which helpfully notes that the New York Times confirmed Trump's claim) is a direct hit. It even closes with the statement that Harris is for "they/them" while Trump is for us. I winced the 20th time I saw it this weekend.
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Believe it or not, Trump and Republicans are massive hypocrites trying to make an issue out of a nonissue:
Under Trump, U.S. Prisons Offered Gender-Affirming Care
 
dudalb said:
You really cannot stop technology. If a machine can do a job just as well and for a lot less money then a human, the machine will always win. Regardless of what economic system you have.SOcialar contries have automated just as much as the captialist countries.
The assembly line jobs are gone, and they are not coming back.
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I agree. But that shouldn't mean that all the benefits of automation should go only to the stockholders.
 
A bit of voting incentive for anyone you know. I'll pull out the one picture.
https://esapolitics.blogspot.com/2024/10/voting-guide.html
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DallasDad said:
With a few exceptions, I think sports should be as ungendered as possible. Let the best player play, let that person win. I've been educated (by smacks upside my head administered by my beloved better half) that there are certain sports where this doesn't make sense, which is why I've decided gendered sports make sense for some sports.

All that is irrelevant to the trans issue. Given gendered sports, one doesn't want to allow the wrong gender to participate. But gender is not the same as biological sex. And even biological sex isn't bivalued -- the SRY gene can translocate to an X and still be expressed, giving and XX person male phenotype. Or SRY can be deleted, giving an XY person a female phenotype. Any number of other weird epigenetic strangenesses can occur.

Sex is complicated outside the first standard deviation. Gender is far more complicated. One-liners from either side of the trans debate do the issue a disservice. For political debates, perhaps taking a stand on "boys playing on a girls' team" makes sense, but I'd prefer candidates just say, "That's a really complicated issue that deserves its own debate," and stop alienating those who have strong views.
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Keep it to the relevant threads, please.
 
One problem I see in this thread is that a lot of people seem unable to understand polls, can't tell the useful ones from the unuseful ones.
For one thing, in a system based on the electorial college, the polls which just give nationwide numbers are useless. it is the individual states that matter.
 
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