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My avatar is not a Drumpf hat
That's good. Gotta prepare for the worst when democracy is at stake.
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2020 Presidential Election
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Delvo
Дэлво Δε&#
No no no no. Obviously, even considering the possibility of something bad happening at all equals hoping it will.
Not sure in what thread to post this:
"FBI Dir. Chris Wray just confirmed that Russia is currently meddling in the election to ‘denigrate Vice President Biden’"
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1306588609273880576
"FBI Dir. Chris Wray just confirmed that Russia is currently meddling in the election to ‘denigrate Vice President Biden’"
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1306588609273880576
Tero
Philosopher
The government does some things well, if it's prepared for it. With no Pandemic, Trump would be re-elected, because the things do in fact run along much the same whoever is president. Occasionally infrastructure gets so run down that business does poorly in some parts. But hey, leave it toe the Amy Klobuchars to fix falling bridges. Not republicans.
Sherkeu
Illuminator
You are in denial then. As other said: yay, USA is not literal hellscape yet. That's your argument? Hilarious.
With partisan blinders these experiences do not mean much.
Why would "I" be in denial? Are you seeing things that are not in my post?
If you don't like to hear things I observe that do not agree with what you want to happen or think a reasonable person should want to happen, just put me on ignore til mid November. I realize that the thought of another 4 years can be quite distressing.
That's not what I recall voters being told in 2016. The thing that sticks in my head most is Paul Krugman's predictions:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-night-2016/paul-krugman-the-economic-fallout
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
That's an interesting race. Congressional wins in election years are often on the coat tails of the presidential candidate. This time I think Biden will win Arizona and Kelly's coat tails.
Gulliver Foyle
Penultimate Amazing
Why is it too bad? By my reckoning he's unfit for any high office or command. He got into bed with Trump knowing full well what Trump was and what enemy nations Trump was consorting with.
Gulliver Foyle
Penultimate Amazing
They're still sore that Batista and the mafia regime he headed is not still in charge.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
There's a big difference this time. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't toss ups this year. They were in 2016. There's a motivated Black vote in all four and it's not motivated for Trump.
Gulliver Foyle
Penultimate Amazing
Difference between now and four years ago is that Trump isn't getting the c $5bn of free advertising from the networks.
Other difference will probably be dependant on how willing the republican party will be to roll out their vote rigging machine. Remember, they pulled it back in 2008 when they realised Obama was too popular and didn't even bother to bring it out in 2012.
Gulliver Foyle
Penultimate Amazing
The country did devolve into chaos through social disaster immediately, remember the muslim bans, the concentration camps at the border, the nazis coming out of the woodwork?
On the economy, the slim recovery of Obama chugged along for a few years, but it never got good, and economic performance steadily fell off over Trump's reign as his "policies" started taking effect (to the point that the US economy likely would be in serious trouble right now even if Covid didn't hit). Remember, the stock market bears no relationship to the economy.
And on war, aren't we all lucky that Trump's too cowardly to follow through on his rhetoric?
The biggest social/political autopsy we are going to have to perform on America post Trump is why exactly so many people were willing to either light fires or stand by and watch them burn based simply on some deep, intrinsic, almost fetishistic desire to catch people being "overdramatic" about how bad the fire was gonna be.
"LOL you said the fire I started was going to burn down your entire house but it only burned down 95% of your house the back wall of the Rumpus room is still 65% standing don't you feel stupid that will teach you not to be all dramatic..."
"LOL you said the fire I started was going to burn down your entire house but it only burned down 95% of your house the back wall of the Rumpus room is still 65% standing don't you feel stupid that will teach you not to be all dramatic..."
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Sherkeu
Illuminator
You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
Just google it yourself. Try looking for travel bans and pics of the kids separated under Obama. You can say it got worse with Trump, or that his rhetoric was divisive (it was!) but not that it suddenly started.
TurkeysGhost
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Realistically, i think this kind of destructiveness is the predictable outcome of a wide perception that ordinary people do not have much real political power and those in charge of things are wholly beholden to wealthy interest groups while material conditions for ordinary people become steadily worse.The endless march of politicians promising true representation and failing to deliver has engendered tremendous bitterness.
Trump is simply delivering what right wing politicians have been dog-whistling, but failing to deliver, for years in order to drum up votes. Lucy can only pull the football out so many times before Charlie Brown snaps and starts blasting.
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Gulliver Foyle
Penultimate Amazing
It's not a belief, it's a statement of fact.
But hey, you go off into your own little fantasy land. If you forget that it's November the 3rd all the better.
"Trump's not uniquely bad..."
Hurry up and get to "Whatabout her e-mails" so I can complete a row on my Bingo card.
He joined the administration at the beginning when there was still hope that Trump might grow in office, and he spent a long time trying to keep Trump from taking the U.S. too far off the rails. He quit when he realized he was failing. But Mattis is a picture of integrity. I can't see him marching around Lafayette Square with Trump, or even allowing troops to be deployed that way.
Sherkeu
Illuminator
???
I think some here really miss the hard right posters who left, so you are now beating up on people who don't cheerlead either side in obvious ways.
I do tend to post more as devil's advocate because preaching to the choir seems a bit overdone around these parts.
*I have searched for a forum with more balanced and nuanced discussion but it seems the internet just gave up on that altogether. The poles are just getting further apart.
Just so many adult bullies nowadays. No wonder the kids have such problems with it. They are only following what the adults do.
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