2020 Presidential Election

[varwoche]

You can believe that that Trump did these things first, but you would be wrong.
Just google it yourself. Try looking for travel bans and pics of the kids separated under Obama. You can say it got worse with Trump, or that his rhetoric was divisive (it was!) but not that it suddenly started.

It would behoove you to look a tad bit deeper. There are situations where separation is highly appropriate.

Just google it for yourself.

 

[Sherkeu]

It would behoove you to look a tad bit deeper. There are situations where separation is highly appropriate.

Just google it for yourself.

I am aware. A lot of these kids are trafficked or used to get the special 'family treatment'. Some of them cross multiple times with different adults. The kids are separated for their own safety. Was there more I should know?
Please link to the relevant info. I am all for kids safety!

 

[JoeMorgue]

I think some here really miss the hard right posters who left, so you are now beating up on people who don't cheerlead either side in obvious ways.

I do tend to post more as devil's advocate because preaching to the choir seems a bit overdone around these parts.

*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.

 

[Sherkeu]

*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.

Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her.
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!

Unsolicited Ballots are uncontrollable, totally open to ELECTION INTERFERENCE by foreign countries, and will lead to massive chaos and confusion!

State Supreme Court in Pennsylvania just affirmed that Ballot harvesting remains illegal. We will be watching that the Democrats do not Ballot Harvest - a felony. In other words, the Republican Party won on the atrocious Ballot Harvesting Scam Importantly, we also won on the Ballot Cure Provision. Waiting for the BIG Federal decisions in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and elsewhere!

The Democrat Trump Hater Secretary of State of Michigan, purposely misprinted Ballots for the Military, putting the wrong names on the Ballot, and actually listing a member of another party as a replacement for Vice President @Mike_Pence. Everybody is totally confused by their egregious behavior, which is just the way they want it. This was not a mistake, it was done illegally and on purpose. We want Mike!

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her. [emoji106]
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.

Nobody said anything about rah-rah for democrats.

It's the "I'm not a Trump supporter but I sound exactly like one including my insistence I'm not a Trump supporter and oh my God you are all so intolerant and now that I think about it I am probably the real victim in all of this" part.

ETA: undecideds are at a near record low in this race, you're not as important as you make yourself sound.

 

[Mike!]

Trump Tweets

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!

Unsolicited Ballots are uncontrollable, totally open to ELECTION INTERFERENCE by foreign countries, and will lead to massive chaos and confusion!

State Supreme Court in Pennsylvania just affirmed that Ballot harvesting remains illegal. We will be watching that the Democrats do not Ballot Harvest - a felony. In other words, the Republican Party won on the atrocious Ballot Harvesting Scam Importantly, we also won on the Ballot Cure Provision. Waiting for the BIG Federal decisions in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and elsewhere!

The Democrat Trump Hater Secretary of State of Michigan, purposely misprinted Ballots for the Military, putting the wrong names on the Ballot, and actually listing a member of another party as a replacement for Vice President @Mike_Pence. Everybody is totally confused by their egregious behavior, which is just the way they want it. This was not a mistake, it was done illegally and on purpose. We want Mike!

Thanks, but no. I'm far too busy already.

 

[Lurch]

Why is it too bad? By my reckoning he's unfit for any high office or command. He got into bed with Trump knowing full well what Trump was and what enemy nations Trump was consorting with.

Going to work for a despot does not automatically confer upon the employee like mindedness. The motivation could be purely patriotic, a desire to help shape good policy.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Who is 'we'?
Are you saying that a view from independent unaffiliated voters is not valid? Anyone not rah rah for democrats is suddenly all-in for Trump? Do tell where you get your insight into my TRUE feelings on the matter.

Because "we" are the people who will decide this election, not the polarized sides. (not me though since I am in California and it is all settled out this way)

If Tulsi was running I bet us 'middle' people would be rooting for her.
Too bad the parties don't accept someone like that and actively sabotage them.

Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Trump Tweets

Just out: Some people in the Great State of North Carolina have been sent TWO BALLOTS. RIGGED ELECTION in waiting!

I called that one the day he told people to vote twice. I wasn't the only one, but it was pretty obvious that he would complain about voter fraud as soon as the people he told to do it did what he asked them to do.

 

[johnny karate]

*Dryly* Oh yes we are surely bereft of "Oh I'm totally not a Trump supporter but I need to take his side in other topic to counter the evil leftist librul bias of this place" posters. You surely can't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen of them in this thread alone. It's not as if that's the persona of every single Trump supporter/Trump apologist on this board. You are certainly a supercharged Creeper riding an albino unicorn level of rare occurance.

The only thing more tiresome than this routine is the persecution complex that inevitably follows it.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.

I don't know where we all stand today, but I do remember the halcyon days when The Big Dog was a Bernie Bro.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It's politics. There is absolutely zero difference between a supporter and just being someone who just always runs apologetic interference for you at every opportunity.

Even if, IF, there's any truth to the "LOL I'm totally for realizies not a Trump supporter" routine all it does it change you into the equivalent of someone who buys a ticket to a movie in order to complain about it on Youtube, or as Marvel and Star Wars and Star Trek call them "some of our best customers."

 

[Elagabalus]

I don't know where we all stand today, but I do remember the halcyon days when The Big Dog was a Bernie Bro.

And DogTown who "wasn't going to vote for Hillary" so much he opted for suicide by mod instead.

***lowers head***

 

[Trebuchet]

There appears to be not the slightest possibility that Trump will admit to having lost the election (assuming he does), regardless of the magnitude of the defeat. He was already claiming fraud before taking office the last time, and it isn't going to stop. There'll be lawsuits upon lawsuits. And his supporters well quickly resort to violence.

 

[Stacyhs]

My big fear is the Democratic... well not strategy pers se because that's a separate and distinct thing but "winning narrative" is "Well guys we did it. We finally got mad enough at the guy who was elected to get us mad that we have to win." A lot of the Democratic language really does seem to revolve around some variation on "Look how bad things have gotten" as some sort of negative for Trump. Basically they are far too often running against a known admitted troll with a know admitted troll base by screaming about how angry he makes them.

Again all the drama, all the hatred, all the damage is not hurting Trump in the same way it would hurt a normal good or even normal bad or even "stupid crazy evil within normal parameters" President.

Again is any of this for certain? No. 2016 was literally a game of inches in about 3 counties and the last 4 years have not be stabilizing for sure.

There appears to be not the slightest possibility that Trump will admit to having lost the election (assuming he does), regardless of the magnitude of the defeat. He was already claiming fraud before taking office the last time, and it isn't going to stop. There'll be lawsuits upon lawsuits. And his supporters well quickly resort to violence.

I suspect they'll literally be taking their guns out of their cold, dead hands.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Biden and the Democrats want to get rid of the Private Healthcare Plans for 180 MILLION Americans that are happy. They’ll be put on socialized medicine!

 

[Bob001]

This is encouraging. Al Gore rolling over for Bush was shameful.

I don't know if that's what he did. His big initial mistake was conceding too early. After that he was fighting to catch up. But he fought the case for a month to the Supreme Court. It's not clear, realistically, that he could have done much more.

 

[HoverBoarder]

North Carolina Is Already Rejecting Black Voters’ Mail-In Ballots More Often Than White Voters’

Given how close NC has been, this seems significant, even if it is only 1.1% of Black voters so far.

As of September 17, Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters, according to the state’s numbers...
only 19 states currently allow some form of ballot curing. And even that isn’t foolproof. In Nevada’s statewide primary in June, for example, 12,366 ballots had a missing or mismatched signature, but even after voters were notified to fix it, only 45 percent were successfully cured.

Meanwhile, the racial gap in rejected ballots is not a problem unique to North Carolina.

Black voters and other voters of color frequently have their ballots rejected at a higher rate than white votes (so do younger voters, on average). In Florida’s 2018 midterm elections, ballots cast by Black voters, Hispanic voters and voters from other racial and ethnic minorities were rejected at twice the rate of ballots cast by white voters

 

[Venom]

Nonsense. Tulsi is a moron, that's why she didn't fare well. Also, I don't think you're fooling anyone with your claim that you aren't a Trump supporter.

I think that's uncalled for tbh.