Cont: 2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 3

[EHocking]

Would spray lysol be good for cleaning money?

I suggest you launder it.


I mean, that’s just obvious.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Incompetrump is mine.

You may rightly make that claim..

Google: Your search - incompetrump etymology - did not match any documents.

 

[marting]

WHO stats for the USA on 3/25 is now 51914 cases, 9750 new cases, 673 deaths, 202 new deaths.

For China on 2/15 was 50054 cases, 1506 new cases, 1524 deaths, 121 new deaths

Observations:
The USA is lagging China by 5+ weeks.
Substantially fewer new cases in China at that point indicating they were now controlling the epidemic and had reduced the R0 below 1.
China had a bit over twice the deaths with another 100% to come as the infection peters out. However, for those that will die, many more cases in in the USA are further along on the 3 week delay between infection and death.

When the infection is spreading rapidly which it has, at least until about a week ago, deaths will lag because they are from a cohort infected 2 to 4 weeks earlier. So the CFR for the USA looks to me like it will be well above 1%.

It's going to look pretty ugly when the 2 week shutdown "ends" or rather, Easter, when DJT hopes people can get back to work.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

The virus doesn't do well on porous surfaces, not nearly as well as non porous surfaces.

VERY useful information. I will use my wallet to open doors and pick up things, since my wallet is very porous.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Aren't children the prime vectors for most diseases? Dirty little blighters.

"I used to think I high a strong immune system. Turns out I just didn't hang out with tiny people who sneeze directly into your eyeball while telling you a story" - New Parent

 

[blutoski]

Actually Japan really is NOT very internet-savvy. Most Japanese probably get their news from TV to the extent they pay attention to news. Older people in particular hardly ever use the internet. The previous head of cyber security had never used a computer and was stumped by questions in parliament when asked about USBs. He didn’t know what a USB memory stick was.

This surprises a lot of people who don't keep abreast of consumer technology levels. Age demographics play a big role, and Japan is a very grey country these days.

[OECD] put it as barely 50% of Japanese can use computers. That was a couple of years ago.

Age has two impacts: firstly, lots of people never learned in the first place. Secondly, even those who learned to do things are struggling with cognitive deficits and forgetting how to do previously familiar tasks.

 

[EHocking]

VERY useful information. I will use my wallet to open doors and pick up things, since my wallet is very porous.

Mine seems to leak cash like noboby's business. . .

 

[blutoski]

Certainly younger people love their smartphones. Not so much older people.

There's a reason Japan is the epicenter of vinyl records and film cameras. For most Japanese, technology stopped in the mid 80s.

I understand that South Korea is different and that people are much more internet l-savvy there and may have contributed to how South Korea got a handle on things as the internet was used to give information about clusters, where the virus has spread, tracing the movements of those with the virus etc...

SK is also demographically younger than Japan, which probably explains it right there.

But they're catching up. As are we. There's an argument that Japan was never all that 'weird' as a culture, just 20 years ahead of the rest of us.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Actually Japan really is NOT very internet-savvy. Most Japanese probably get their news from TV to the extent they pay attention to news. Older people in particular hardly ever use the internet. The previous head of cyber security had never used a computer and was stumped by questions in parliament when asked about USBs. He didn’t know what a USB memory stick was.

This surprises a lot of people who don't keep abreast of consumer technology levels. Age demographics play a big role, and Japan is a very grey country these days.

From Cracked.com's "5 Things Nobody Tells You About Living in Japan"

#5 Everything Is Frightfully Low-Tech

Quick question: When was the last time you had to use a fax machine?

"What is a fax machine?" is an entirely acceptable response.

Well, you should try moving to Japan if you want to recapture the magic of the fax machine and other 1990s technology. I actually use one about twice a month to send out my work invoices, because many of the Japanese companies that employ me do not accept paperwork by email. The rare ones that do require that my Word/Excel files be compatible with their 1998 version of Microsoft Office, which is sort of like requiring your Avengers Blu-ray to play on a Betamax machine.

My point is, on the surface Japan seems like the closest thing Earth currently has to a moon base, what with their stock exchange being entirely computerized and wireless Internet literally coming out of their vending machines.

Neither of those things are jokes.

But the truth is, many things are still being done in painfully old-fashioned ways, a phrase which here means "by hand and on paper." Actually, having seen the amount of paper a typical Japanese office goes through, I feel safe in assuming that the entire country has declared a shadow war on both the information age and trees.

How can this be? Well, Japan is still mainly in the hands of the older generation: Over a fourth of the population is over 60, and they're in no particular hurry to adopt new technology (particularly not Apple products, because as far as Japan is concerned, Steve Jobs can go **** himself). Institutions like banks, the postal service and government offices still keep all of their records on paper, maintained and filed by superfluous personnel who could easily be replaced by an old Soviet computer (which incidentally is more or less what a friend of mine at a Yokohama municipal office was using at his workstation as recently as 2010).

Many businesses still don't even accept credit cards. A Japanese airline can get you to any corner of the globe without a hassle, so long as you're paying in cash, even if the tickets come up to a few thousand dollars each (and I wish I wasn't speaking from experience). This is made even more difficult by the fact that I don't think I've ever seen a 24-hour ATM anywhere in Japan.

That's right; most banks in Japan keep their ATMs indoors, which means that once the banks close (typically around 6 p.m.), so do the machines, utterly defeating their entire purpose for existing. It's another extension of that technological resistance -- pretty much anywhere outside of Tokyo harbors a deep generational resentment for automation. They don't want the ATMs operational while there aren't any bank employees around to help in case something goes wrong (although outside of users being clubbed with a thermos and robbed, the list of possible mishaps is embarrassingly short). You can always try an ATM at a convenience store (the number of which currently exceeds the national population), if you don't mind the variable transaction fees that seemingly change at random. And that's only if your ATM card will even work in machines outside of your bank, which it almost certainly won't.

Of course, the best time to find out whether the 7-Eleven around the corner accepts your card is after 1 a.m., when all of the public transport has stopped and you desperately need money for a taxi. Basically, if you're planning on doing anything at all besides going to and from work, you need to keep fistfuls of cash either on your person at all times or piled under a mattress in your freezing apartment.

 

[Apathia]

It's usually a pretty safe assumption to make.

By the way, also on the Japan front, one of Japan's most famous comedians (your wife is sure to know who he is), Ken Shimura, has tested positive for COVID-19 and now has pneumonia. At 70, he's pretty high risk.

This is a sample of his comedy which may be somewhat intelligible to non-Japanese-speakers:

No! No! Not Shimura Ken!

 

[eeyore1954]

Would spray lysol be good for cleaning money?

The mafia can clean it for you.

 

[casebro]

Check alcohol content (>60%?) and remember you have to get the money thoroughly wet then let it dry.

Or, rinse everything in soapy water and let them air dry. Water won't hurt US $ bills.

I'm just using hand sanitizer after I touch money but I'm not paying for anything with cash anyway. So all the money in my wallet is before contamination started.

No alcy in Lysol. It's not lye, but it's close. PH is waay high, I bet it does the job on viruses, and my rot the bills too.There is probably a lot of stuff like that. Most of the stuff you want to wear glove when you use?

You probably don't even have to wash the cash, just send it through the dryer?

Good, better best: Steam iron.

 

[quadraginta]

Freetown Christiania in Copenhagen has barricaded itself against all visitors to protect itself from the virus, so now the pot peddlers have lost the place where they used to sell (still illegal) pot: Pushere er rykket på gaden i København: 'Det er helt uacceptabelt (DR.dk, March 24, 2020)
So they are now selling it in the streets of residential areas next to Christiania, and the residents aren't happy.

That's odd. They ought to be pleased they don't have to travel as far.

 

[quadraginta]

Would spray lysol be good for cleaning money?

It can be washed in the washing machine. Use antibacterial soap..

Although antibacterial soap would probably help with any other germs, it isn't really necessary for covid 19. Regular soap in the washing machine will kill the virus just fine. Soap dissolves the lipid membrane that protects the virus.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Yeesh at a special hawaii senate session today, when asked about how much help we could get from the military which has most of this island and a lot of the others, they said they can't do anythign that would compromise their readiness for North Korea or China...that's a chilling thought

 

[Sherkeu]

Garden Grove doctor one of first in U.S. to offer coronavirus rapid blood test

He ordered from a popular supplier in SK. 3/180 tests he ran have the antibodies for Covid-19. He asks for $49 donation or free if you can't pay. FDA won't object as long as he informs patients it is not "approved".

A Garden Grove physician is likely one of the first practitioners in the U.S. to begin offering a rapid coronavirus screening test popular in Asia that can provide results within 10 minutes through a simple fingerstick.

Dao expects delivery Thursday of 10,000 more test kits and then another 2,000 within the next few days.

“Emergency situations call for emergency measures,” said Dao

eta: Garden Grove is in Orange County, S. California....where this single doctor has already matched about 10% of the county's total public/private reported tests done since the first case back in January.

 

[The Atheist]

Aren't children the prime vectors for most diseases? Dirty little blighters.

You bet!

Being able to watch the outbreak from a reasonably early stage is firming my theory that the main method of infection is hand -> mouth.

It is showing in clusters exactly like norovirus, and nothing like influenza or colds.

It's going to look pretty ugly when the 2 week shutdown "ends" or rather, Easter, when DJT hopes people can get back to work.

Won't happen.

USA's tracking a perfect 30% increase in daily deaths, mirroring the 30% increase in infections found, and within this month, the death total will be over 10,000.

I reckon that will definitely make some people sit up and take notice.

 

[a_unique_person]

Garden Grove doctor one of first in U.S. to offer coronavirus rapid blood test

He ordered from a popular supplier in SK. 3/180 tests he ran have the antibodies for Covid-19. He asks for $49 donation or free if you can't pay. FDA won't object as long as he informs patients it is not "approved".



eta: Garden Grove is in Orange County, S. California....where this single doctor has already matched about 10% of the county's total public/private reported tests done since the first case back in January.

How does that work?

 

[Sherkeu]

How does that work?

All info is in the article pretty much.
It's a serology test: COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Gold tests provided by PCL Inc., one of the largest biotech firms in South Korea.

He isn't making any claims and is not diagnosing, so I suppose it is treated the same as 'alternative' medicine or homeopathy, except this one is a real test.

 

[Blue Mountain]

The current situation in Canada

Province, territory or other | Number of confirmed cases | Number of probable cases | Number of deaths
British Columbia|659|0|14
Alberta|419|0|2
Saskatchewan|86|0|0
Manitoba|11|24|0
Ontario|688|0|13
Quebec|1339|0|6
New Brunswick|26|0|0
Nova Scotia|68|0|0
Prince Edward Island|5|0|0
Newfoundland and Labrador|67|0|0
Yukon|3|0|0
Northwest Territories|1|0|0
Nunavut|0|0|0
Repatriated travellers|13|0|0
Total | 3,385 | 24 | 35

Confirmed cases are up 22% from yesterday. The growth curve is fluctuating day by day (see below), so it's impossible at this point to determine any sort of trend.


The latest points covered by CBC News

• Health minister says all travellers returning to Canada will have to enter mandatory 14-day quarantine, with some exceptions for essential workers.
• House of Commons passes legislation for COVID-19 aid after night of tense talks.
• Organizers will "hold off indefinitely" on revealing Juno 2020 winners.
• Blood donations plummeted at start of pandemic, but donors answered the call — big time.

Growth curve

Date | Cases | Change
2020-03-13|155|
2020-03-16|440|184%
2020-03-18|656| 49%
2020-03-19|873| 33%
2020-03-20|926| 6%
2020-03-21|1081| 17%
2020-03-22|1471| 36%
2020-03-23|2091| 42%
2020-03-24|2792| 34%
2020-03-25|3409| 22%

Canada vs the USA. Because Canada's population is 1/8.7 that of the States, typically ratios for raw numbers in many areas run 1:8.7 (or 10 to 87) for Canada:USA.

The source for Tested is Wikipedia. The source for Confirmed cases and Deaths is also Wikipedia. That page is often more up-to-date than the Canadian government page, meaning the numbers for confirmed cases and deaths may differ from what I posted above.

Metric | Canada | Expected US number based on 1:8.7 ratio | Actual US Number | Actual Canada:US ratio | Yesterday's ratio
COVID-19 tests|142,154|1,236,740|472,820|1:3.3|1:2.6
COVID-19 cases|3,409|29,658|69,047|1:20|1:20|
COVID-19 deaths|35|305|1,046|1:30|1:29

The good news here is the US has a tremendous ability to ramp up production on things, so testing is improving. Yesterday the US had run only 2.6 tests for every Canadian test, and today that has increased to 3.3. When that number get to 8.7 it means the US will have caught up to Canada on testing.

Unfortunately the gap between Canadian and American deaths is increasing. Yesterday 29 Americans had died for every Canadian death from COVID-19, and today that number is 30. I really hope it doesn't get much worse than that, but given the approximate six week delay from the start of this emergency before the US really started taking it seriously, I'm pessimistic.