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2018 mid-term election

The blue trickle. Better luck next time, Dimms!

I've read many political operatives say that Senate is highly unlikely to go blue given what seats are in play. However, those same operatives say that it's also highly likely that the Democrats take control of the House. 538 has the odds 7 to 1 that the Democrats take control of the House.
 
I received two different political ads in the mail on the same day, that both essentially said "The Democrats are coming for your guns." We've been hearing that for so long, it must be a very complicated and elaborate plan.
Not quite that, our Senator claims the Democrat is a lobbyist and supports ”abortion on demand.” Abortion is legal so it’s just a Christian code word. She herself wrote state law demanding the mother watch ultrasound of the fetus 1 hour before abortion.
 
Meanwhile, Bob Menendez's seat in New Jersey (which has not sent a Republican to the Senate in over 40 years) is rated as a toss-up by the Cook Political Report. Gee who knew that nominating a guy who barely skated on federal corruption charges (hung jury) would cause problems in the Garden State? Particularly amazing is that Menendez lost the support of the Latino Leadership Alliance; which has endorsed Menendez and Governor Phil Murphy (D) in the past.
 
Not quite that, our Senator claims the Democrat is a lobbyist and supports ”abortion on demand.” Abortion is legal so it’s just a Christian code word. She herself wrote state law demanding the mother watch ultrasound of the fetus 1 hour before abortion.

It's an Evangelical code word.
The Bible is 100% fine with abortion.
 
We have a tight race here, Congressional District 8. Reichert, the guy that lied that he caught the Green River Killer when he actually let the guy go and about a dozen more women were killed before the killer was caught by the next police chief, isn't running again. Unfortunately, when Reichert almost lost the district they gerrymandered it in a deal where the Democrats got the new seat and the 8th district stayed GOP.

But I digress. So Dino Rossi is running because he has name recognition. He ran for governor and lost and ran twice more for offices he lost but he was appointed to fill the remainder of two state seats. So people know his name but he isn't exactly talented.

After the Kavanaugh SCOTUS hearing, Rossi got a bump. It's unfortunate.

But now we are getting closer to the election and the GOP PACs are running the stupidest ad: Kim Schirer, the opponent, will supposedly vote for a state income tax.

Say what? :boggled: We should be worried our Congressperson is going to vote in a state income tax? How stupid are the voters this ad is aimed at?
 
Trump's approval rating is going down again. And I believe we are only seeing the start as the polling precedes his complete disregard for the Pittsburgh massacre.
 
Trump's approval rating is going down again. And I believe we are only seeing the start as the polling precedes his complete disregard for the Pittsburgh massacre.

Oh noes at this rate it will soon be as low as it was... when he was elected.
 
We have a tight race here, Congressional District 8. Reichert, the guy that lied that he caught the Green River Killer when he actually let the guy go and about a dozen more women were killed before the killer was caught by the next police chief, isn't running again. Unfortunately, when Reichert almost lost the district they gerrymandered it in a deal where the Democrats got the new seat and the 8th district stayed GOP.

But I digress. So Dino Rossi is running because he has name recognition. He ran for governor and lost and ran twice more for offices he lost but he was appointed to fill the remainder of two state seats. So people know his name but he isn't exactly talented.

After the Kavanaugh SCOTUS hearing, Rossi got a bump. It's unfortunate.

But now we are getting closer to the election and the GOP PACs are running the stupidest ad: Kim Schirer, the opponent, will supposedly vote for a state income tax.

Say what? :boggled: We should be worried our Congressperson is going to vote in a state income tax? How stupid are the voters this ad is aimed at?
The PA income tax is over %3. Not that I am necessarily anti-tax, but you seem to be suggesting that a state income tax is unheard of - it isn't.
FWIW, the city of Philadelphia also charges a "wage tax". I pay income tax to three separate entities: city, state, and federal.
Again, not necessarily griping, just pointing something out.

EDIT to say "Duh". My re reading of your post made it apparent that you were not doubting the existence of a particular tax, instead the ability of a Federal congressperson to vote in a State house. Sorry.
 
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Trump's approval rating is going down again. And I believe we are only seeing the start as the polling precedes his complete disregard for the Pittsburgh massacre.

Approval ratings are great, but people actually going to the polls is what matters. Disapproving non-voters are worthless.
 
I wonder how many voters are like me? Think that Trump is a terrible president, but that a terrible president isn't actually an existential crisis for the nation?

100% honest, no snark.

I would legit like to see a good, robust poll where "The importance of who is President" is weighed against the other numbers we are seeing.

I can't promise I would agree with any of it, but it would be an honestly useful metric to have.

On paper it makes sense. As a "Head of State" the America President isn't one of the more powerful ones. Now how power and influence operate in a modern government is... fiendishly complicated but there is

Feet to the fire why I don't devalue the existence of Trump as much as you do, a Congress that's been holding an approval rating roughly on par with "Your worst enemy makes love to your best girl on the coffin at your mother's funeral" for a while now is a bigger problem by any objective metric.
 
100% honest, no snark.

I would legit like to see a good, robust poll where "The importance of who is President" is weighed against the other numbers we are seeing.

I can't promise I would agree with any of it, but it would be an honestly useful metric to have.

On paper it makes sense. As a "Head of State" the America President isn't one of the more powerful ones. Now how power and influence operate in a modern government is... fiendishly complicated but there is

Feet to the fire why I don't devalue the existence of Trump as much as you do, a Congress that's been holding an approval rating roughly on par with "Your worst enemy makes love to your best girl on the coffin at your mother's funeral" for a while now is a bigger problem by any objective metric.
I think this is an interesting take on the issue. I hope that you and I can continue to develop these ideas in this and other threads.

I think that probably the worst possible president would be a competent and unifying demagogue who had the full support of the legislature. That would be a president and a government that could do anything without anyone stopping them.

One advantage to the two-party system is that it makes it very hard for a demagogue to be truly unifying. There's always going to be as substantial out-group that will dissent from his message and work to obstruct his policies.

And that's one reason I think that a terrible president isn't an existential crisis for the US. Trump is a demagogue, but he's also incompetent and divisive. And while the GOP knows what side its bread is buttered on, Republicans in Congress don't actually have a lot of love for Donald Trump. He can nominate conservative judges, and he can sign whatever bills the legislature happens to pass, but I'm pretty sure the GOP establishment would love to replace him with one of their own as soon as they can.
 
I think this is an interesting take on the issue. I hope that you and I can continue to develop these ideas in this and other threads.

I think that probably the worst possible president would be a competent and unifying demagogue who had the full support of the legislature. That would be a president and a government that could do anything without anyone stopping them.

One advantage to the two-party system is that it makes it very hard for a demagogue to be truly unifying. There's always going to be as substantial out-group that will dissent from his message and work to obstruct his policies.

And that's one reason I think that a terrible president isn't an existential crisis for the US. Trump is a demagogue, but he's also incompetent and divisive. And while the GOP knows what side its bread is buttered on, Republicans in Congress don't actually have a lot of love for Donald Trump. He can nominate conservative judges, and he can sign whatever bills the legislature happens to pass, but I'm pretty sure the GOP establishment would love to replace him with one of their own as soon as they can.

I am sure that the GOP in both Congress and the Senate personally detest him - he is so unlikable that the more people know him, the more they dislike him.

However, how does that help if in that time he's undermined the checks and balances so that the GOP can install a competent demagogue to finish the job?

If the GOP in congress had opposed Trump's attacks, then I'd tend to agree with you. But as far as I can see, there is no reason to suppose they'll go along with it.
 
Here in the Other Washington, the eighth congressional district is in play. It's never been held by a Dem, but might well swing. So the R's are claiming in endless TV ads that if Kim Schrier is elected to Congress she'll impose a state income tax. And their voters are stupid enough to believe it.
 
I think that probably the worst possible president would be a competent and unifying demagogue who had the full support of the legislature.
Why is that a valid argument?

So things could be "worse"... that doesn't mean people have to accept things the way they are. After all, if you were stabbed by someone, you don't say "No big deal, it could be worse... I could have been stabbed and shot". You say "It really really sucks to be stabbed and it shouldn't happen".

One advantage to the two-party system is that it makes it very hard for a demagogue to be truly unifying.
Unifying to whom?

And the fact that Trump isn't a unifying force makes his tenure even worse. He didn't get a majority in the election. Heck, he didn't even get a plurality. Yet he is acting as if he has a popular mandate. That is not good.
And that's one reason I think that a terrible president isn't an existential crisis for the US. Trump is a demagogue, but he's also incompetent and divisive. And while the GOP knows what side its bread is buttered on, Republicans in Congress don't actually have a lot of love for Donald Trump. He can nominate conservative judges...
I find it amazing about just how casually you can dismiss the concerns of people worried about the impact of conservative judges.

If a person is gay/trans, they should be concerned. If a person is a woman who will lose control over their body so that old white men can dictate access to abortion, they should be concerned. If they are a minority who risks losing the ability to vote because of voter suppression sanctioned by the supreme court, you should be concerned. But hey, you're a white male... so no big deal, eh?

Such is the way of bigotry.
and he can sign whatever bills the legislature happens to pass...
Part of the job of the president is to serve as a counter balance to congress. While Trump was not the author of the GOP tax bill that drove up the deficit, or of the health care bill, it should have been his responsibility to say "These bills will harm the country so I will veto them".

I also find it rather sad how you have ignored all the other problems his presidency is causing.

- The divisiveness, which can lead to violence. (After all, if you disenfranchise millions of people, why should they not respond with violence? Remember that's what started the American revolution... a government not responsive to the people)

- The harm to the economy that can be caused by executive authority... tariffs (implemented without congress) that threaten to sink the economy, and removal of financial regulations that will make any resulting recession much worse

- The loss of American influence in the world. Good luck getting support should the U.S. need allies in any military operation in the future. We've already seen that happen over Iran (where the E.U. is working to get around the U.S. plans for sanctions.)

The president has substantial authority outside of his ability to sign bills and nominate judges. And so far Trump seems to be using that authority in ways that harm the U.S.

But hey, I guess since you got Drunky McRapeface appointed to the supreme court, nothing else matters.
 
I wonder how many voters are like me? Think that Trump is a terrible president, but that a terrible president isn't actually an existential crisis for the nation?

You could test that with a poll, however I will say that in my experience the average voter tends to overestimate the importance of the president. Hence the huge uptick in voters during a presidential election, when there's more chance I believe that in general, the more local the official, the more importance to their daily lives.
 

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