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Merged 2014 Hugo awards.

kookbreaker said:
Bretibart, riiiiight.
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That's some fine skeptical thinking right there! Don't address the actual content of the article and the points made, just handwave it away.

(I think I'm going full heretic! :D )


kookbreaker said:
Sorry, I gave GG and the puppies their chance a long time ago. They flopped badly. Their extracted price was too high & sickening for any positive results they could ever acheive. You might have convinced yourself of that in the echo-chamber that the Gamergate thread became after those opposing it decided it wasn't worth the effort any more (much as most of the media has done with GG) but that does not mean your are right or that we haven't been paying attention.
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The Society of Professional Journalists event last weekend in which professional journalists, when given examples of gaming press actions, actually agreed that the actions of the gaming press were unethical and violated the SPJ ethical guidelines. Oh, and the event got multiple bomb threats too, forcing an evacuation. Interestingly, that story didn't make it onto the front pages of most mainstream press outlets nor certain gaming press outlets.

Then there's the not inconsequential amount of evidence presented in the last three months documenting not only gaming press shenanigans but also mainstream press agenda-pushing. But, hey, handwaving away inconvenient facts with an "it's an echo chamber" remark rather than debating the topic where it's being discussed is much easier. I guess it's too much for some folks to deign to hear an opposing view.

But anyway, as a heretical gadfly of the moment, let's return to the subject of this particular thread, the Hugos.

Take a look at these statements on the matter. Care to make any comments about their content?
 
kookbreaker said:
You might have convinced yourself of that in the echo-chamber that the Gamergate thread ...
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Re: the bolded. Thinking on it more, what a ridiculous statement to make. There is nothing on this forum preventing any member from entering any public thread they want at any time they want. Therefore, the only way a thread here becomes an 'echo chamber' is when people with an opposing view actively decide not to engage in the debate and not voice their views. So if the GamerGate thread, or this thread, or any other thread, becomes a so-called 'echo chamber' it's because you bowed out and stopped participating with an opposing view.

It's more than a little rich for someone to step out of a debate and then call those still in the room debating an 'echo chamber'. How would you know? You left the room.
 
It's also not true at all; no "Gamergate" thread here has been an echo-chamber, with plenty of points-of-view shared by both "sides" and a few folks who have defined themselves as on "neither side" as well.

The awards were voted upon not by some small cadre of "SJWs", but by science fiction fans who are WSFS members, just like in the case of the nominations. The vote was as legitimate as the nomination process; the choice of winners was every bit as valid as the choice of nominees.
 
Corsair 115 said:
That's some fine skeptical thinking right there! Don't address the actual content of the article and the points made, just handwave it away....
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For the record, Breitbart's history of promoting the deceitful Planned Parenthood videos means it deserves to be hand waved away.
 
tl:dr version: Best Novel goes to the only non-puppy nominee. 5 categories get 'no award'.
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I doubt Ancillary Sword or The Goblin Emperor were puppy nominees. The Three Body Problem was ultimately my 2nd choice, but it's a worthy winner.

There were a few other categories in which I voted No Award, but other voters didn't agree with me. And, yes, I did attempt to plow through all the fiction and related work nominees: all of the shorter works, and as much of the novels as I could take.

ETA: a complete breakdown of the voting can be found at http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2015HugoStatistics.pdf
 
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Liberals take over the Hugo Awards

First it was thoughts now apparently books are being burned as well. This country is looking more like a police state by the day.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...to-prove-how-tolerant-and-welcoming-they-are/

At the seventy-third annual Worldcon science fiction convention on Saturday night, social justice warriors did their best impression of the nightmare firemen of Ray Bradbury’s classic Fahrenheit 451, choosing to burn down the Hugo Awards and damage science fiction instead of seeing works of heretical authors outside of their exclusive clique winning awards.
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^ That's what the Hugo Awards nominations should have looked like, for those of us (like me) who usually use the list as a recommended reading list.
 
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Wow. The more people accept diversity, the more desperate that right wing becomes. Thanks for bringing this particular event to mind, Elf.
 
AdamSK said:
^ That's what the Hugo Awards nominations should have looked like, for those of us (like me) who usually use the list as a recommended reading list.
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The Hugo award's winner has not been a good source of recommendations for the last 20 years. I'm not blaming the liberalism surrounding the nominations just pointing out that the winners often aren't something you would want to read.

Martin never won a hugo and his GOT is easily the best fantasy series of the past 20 years. I don't think Jordan won a hugo either
 
Elf Grinder 3000 said:
The Hugo award's winner has not been a good source of recommendations for the last 20 years. I'm not blaming the liberalism surrounding the nominations just pointing out that the winners often aren't something you would want to read.
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Well, ya. Its genre fiction. By its very nature it has a niche audience. That's why authors like Michael Collins fought like hell not to have their books labeled as SciFi or fantasy. It would mean not getting mainstream acceptance.

Martin never won a hugo and his GOT is easily the best fantasy series of the past 20 years. I don't think Jordan won a hugo either
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1) Martin apparently doesn't care. He is still a huge fan of the event and throws a righteous party for all the folks who don't win.

2) Meh, after Storm of Swords, the series gets a little stale.
 
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Elf Grinder 3000 said:
Martin is a rabid liberal
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Possibly, but that doesn't make him wrong about this. Did you even know there was such a thing as the Hugo Awards before Breitbart told you what to think about it?

The puppy campaign wasn't racist but the SJW people would like you to believe that they were
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Sure, as long as you ignore what Vox Day and his cronies say and do, they totally don't seem racist.
 
The ponderous drivel of Jordan and Martin can't hold a candle to any Hugo nominee I've read.
 
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I, for one, in the aftermath of these Hugo Awards to see the slew of articles in the media proclaiming, "Science fiction fans are dead. Science fiction fans don't have to be your audience."
 
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