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Merged 10th anniversary 9/11 documentaries/ TV

I just got done watching the first two parts. There were parts of it that brought tears to my eyes, and parts of it that gave me complete hope that this type of tragedy will never happen again.

Did anyone happen to notice the vast differences in the old and new tower one?

No lightweight trusses.
Concrete core
Wider stairwells (I really like this one)
Better fireproofing.

Etc.

What a huge difference those changes will make in the future.

Amazing structure.

I cannot wait to get to NYC in September and see the Memorial Pools where the old towers stood, and see the Tower standing near.

A place to put your tears, and a place to put your hope.
 
Is that one called "Stories from the Pile"? I'm getting ready to watch it now.

I'm not sure what it's named but it has Ladder 3's truck in it and the scene where they are placing it inside the museum is fairly powerful and has the air of a funeral.
 
It starts out talking about the Tridents, and the memorial that was built. I'm watching it now.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
Yeah, when they lowered Ladder 3 into the museum, it was like they were finally laying her to rest. I had the honor of serving with her crew. I knew Capt. Drown personally. I knew Tim McSweeney.

Wow. How moving. Even the guys who were working the crane and rigging had the utmost respect for what they were doing.

Awesome.
 
I've got a feeling that the BBC show next monday will have a few surprises..

Mike Rudin was just on the flagship 'Today' current affairs programme on radio 4 in Britain. He is the producer of the BBC 9/11 show that will be screeened tonight.A short tape of Niels Harrit was played in which he said that there is 'no way back' after people see the collapse of WTC7. That he had found thermitic material in the WTC dust. Alex Jones had a little slot about false flag operations and Mike Rudin said that the BBC itself was being accused of some complicity. He said that the Truth movement is growing too.

They are clearly trying fpr a maximum audience which suggests to me that they may try to spring a big surprise tonight. A high risk stategy indeed in my opinion.

Could it be footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon ?
 
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Mike Rudin was just on the flagship 'Today' current affairs programme on radio 4 in Britain. He is the producer of the BBC 9/11 show that will be screeened tonight.A short tape of Niels Harrit was played in which he said that there is 'no way back' after people see the collapse of WTC7. That he had found thermitic material in the WTC dust. Alex Jones had a little slot about false flag operations and Mike Rudin said that the BBC itself was being accused of some complicity. He said that the Truth movement is growing too.

They are clearly trying fpr a maximum audience which suggests to me that they may try to spring a big surprise tonight. A high risk stategy indeed in my opinion.

Could it be footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon ?

No they don't have any footage of a plane hitting pentagon. If they did, truther will say it is fake. So it won't help at all, and I don't think they would manage to keep it a secret.
 
No they don't have any footage of a plane hitting pentagon. If they did, truther will say it is fake. So it won't help at all, and I don't think they would manage to keep it a secret.

Propaganda is not designed to fool the critics. It is designbed to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. They can play it up that 'The Pentagon stands head and shoulders above all other 9/11 conspiracy theories' and then proceed to show that the Truthers are wrong by showing footage of a plane hitting the building.

It would be desperate stuff if they do it, and tell us that they are ready to crack. No Truther will be fooled for a second and there are many other very well developed theories about other aspects of 9/11 in wide circulation. All they can hope to do is slow us down.

On the other hand they may well have another strategy. We will see tonight.
 
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I have been watching the National Geographic documentaries. Those things are extremely informative and very well done. I just don't understand how the twoofy crowd can watch such documentaries and think that they are all lies. Do they think the Discovery Channel and National Geographic are in on the conspiracy as well?
 
No they don't have any footage of a plane hitting pentagon. If they did, truther will say it is fake. So it won't help at all, and I don't think they would manage to keep it a secret.

The BBC are not exactly the most air tight organizations........and as we have seen the more rapid twoofers even deny the planes we have on hi def 1080P recordings so nothing is change their "minds" now.

The BBC don't pay much either so the chances of them having a scoop on this are low....such a video would be worth a lot of money.
 
Okay, I've just reordered these so it's easier to see what's on when. I've not formatted the links so it's easy to just copy and paste; if you want to add more, just copy any from this list which haven't been shown yet and insert whatever programs you've discovered on the relevant dates.

Monday 29th August

9:00pm, BBC2
The Conspiracy Files: 10 Years On
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0148yz5


Tuesday 30th August

8:00pm, Channel 5 (UK)
Children of 9/11
(interviews of people who were children when their parents were killed in the attacks)


Wednesday 31st August

9:00pm, Channel 4 (UK)
9-11 - The Firemen's Story
(More on this and other C4 9/11 documentaries at http://realscreen.com/2011/07/14/c4-to-mark-911-anniversary-with-docs-season)


1st September

9:00pm, ITV
9/11 - The Day That Changed The World
New 2 hour special, see http://www.itv.com/presscentre/911thedaythatchangedtheworld/week35/default.html


4th September

9PM Eastern Time, The Learning channel
9/11: Heroes of the 88th Floor
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/...eptember-4-at-9pm-et-pt-398204/20110809tlc01/


5th September

"Seconds from Disaster", National Geographic
http://natgeotv.com/uk/seconds-from-disaster/videos/911-preview


11th September

SBS (Australia) are screening "Engineering Ground Zero" (about the reconstruction) and "Man on a Wire" (about Philippe Petit's 1974 high wire jaunt between the towers)
 
Propaganda is not designed to fool the critics. It is designbed to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. They can play it up that 'The Pentagon stands head and shoulders above all other 9/11 conspiracy theories' and then proceed to show that the Truthers are wrong by showing footage of a plane hitting the building.

It would be desperate stuff if they do it, and tell us that they are ready to crack. No Truther will be fooled for a second and there are many other very well developed theories about other aspects of 9/11 in wide circulation. All they can hope to do is slow us down.

On the other hand they may well have another strategy. We will see tonight.

Bill, if the TM got any slower, they'd be backing up.
 
Just saw a 2 or 3 minute long advertisement for a show called "Voices From Inside the Towers" airing on September 10th on The History Channel. Apparently it's focused on the phone calls placed to 911 and family members from those trapped inside the buildings, with someone in the advertisement saying something to the effect of, "The videos show us what happened on the outside of the buildings, but the phone calls let us know what it was like inside the buildings."
 
Just saw a 2 or 3 minute long advertisement for a show called "Voices From Inside the Towers" airing on September 10th on The History Channel. Apparently it's focused on the phone calls placed to 911 and family members from those trapped inside the buildings, with someone in the advertisement saying something to the effect of, "The videos show us what happened on the outside of the buildings, but the phone calls let us know what it was like inside the buildings."


I don't think I'll be able to watch that. I'll try though.

I studied high-rise fire scenarios as part of a school project in the late 70s. There had been a brief fad of popular interest in high rise fires a few years before, following the release of the two separate bestsellers that the movie The Towering Inferno was based on. Those in turn had been largely inspired by two Sao Paulo high-rise fires (Andraus Building, 1972; Joelma Building, 1974). Both of those real-world disasters saw trapped victims jumping to their deaths in desperation (some attempting to hold onto mattresses), and they focused worldwide attention on fire safety issues inherent in high-rise buildings. The novels were reasonably well researched, but for dramatic reasons they were not very realistic in their depiction of the conditions that would occur in floors above the fire floors. (The movie was even less so, not to mention a poor movie in other ways.) But the fire science community had documented and studied the actual events and examined (via published journal articles) further realistic scenarios, which I duly read around 1977 to 1979 while I was working on my own fire modeling computer project.

Even in 1979 that material was pretty obscure, and by 2001 it would have been forgotten by all but a few specialists (which might include trained firefighters in cities with high-rise construction -- maybe Tri or his brothers here can tell me if they still study those Sao Paulo disasters), but it all came back to me when I saw those lethal boxes of smoke that were the tops of the towers on the morning of 9/11.

So no one needed to tell me that helicopters wouldn't be able to rescue survivors from the roofs, or that people were going to be jumping to their deaths. And I didn't tell anyone what I was seeing happen in my mind's eye inside those walls. I thought the excruciating details would come out, a few days later and a little at a time, when recovery operations began. Instead, events took a sudden turn that changed the nature and timing of the recovery operations completely. (Structural collapse was outside the scope of what I had studied or attempted to model, so that was as much a surprise to me as to any layman.) So there was no revelation of the upper floors, no maps in Time Magazine carefully depicting where each body was found. Sudden death from sudden unexpected collapse became the story instead, and I (and no doubt many others) have been content to leave it that way.

But journalists and historians, doing what they do, have sought those hidden details and have been connecting the dots ever since. (Unlike the Truthers' fantasies, these dots, and their connections, are real.) The behind-the-walls documentaries are a little more complete and a little less toned down every year. And for me, harder to watch, not despite but because of how much I already knew ten years ago, while it was happening, that I was wishing and hoping I was wrong about.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Just saw a 2 or 3 minute long advertisement for a show called "Voices From Inside the Towers" airing on September 10th on The History Channel. Apparently it's focused on the phone calls placed to 911 and family members from those trapped inside the buildings, with someone in the advertisement saying something to the effect of, "The videos show us what happened on the outside of the buildings, but the phone calls let us know what it was like inside the buildings."

I've seen this before. It was originally aired on British TV. Parts were very touching while some were hard to watch. The families were allowed to talk about their loved ones, share memories and talk about that day.

I found a list of programs airing in the U.S. channelguidemagblog.com/index.php/2011/08/17/tv-specials-mark-the-10th-anniversary-of-911/

Sorry, I still can't post links yet.

ETA: NVM! This was my 15th post!
 
(which might include trained firefighters in cities with high-rise construction -- maybe Tri or his brothers here can tell me if they still study those Sao Paulo disasters),

Respectfully,
Myriad

Myriad,

The answer is simple. Yes. Even in small towns like mine, it is studied and taught in fire school, and when you're "checked out" on the highrise trucks, it's usually discussed. "Checked out" means that when you're assigned to the highrise trucks, or ladder trucks, as a probie, it is discussed and trained for. Especially in big cities like Chicago, LA, NY, etc.

Hope this helps.

And yes, it will be difficult to watch, but I am going to watch it.

Cheers!

~Tri
 

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