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The Truth about RFK Jr

Chris_Halkides said:
If memory serves me correctly, the host of the blog Respectful Insolence wrote that he cringes when journalists refer to RFK, Jr. as a vaccine skeptic. Rational skepticism is one thing, but simply being anti-vaccination is something entirely different. My concern is that I have no idea how he comes to his beliefs or what it would take to get him to change his mind.
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Yeah, the BBC have routinely been calling RFK Jr "vaccine skeptic" lately, resulting in me shouting at the radio.

The berk is an out and out anti-vaxxer, aka child hater and sadist (I really do not think this is hyperbole: I've seen what polio can do; I know fine well what other "harmless" childhood diseases can do; wishing that on someone is nothing short of sadism and hatred).
 
Norman Alexander said:
For the record, "autism" was not even described as a specific diagnosis until 1944. Before that, it was a whole bunch of unrelated conditions of various, changing names, and was known for centuries. Autism has not become more prevalent recently, nor are the spectrum conditions new. It is just that the diagnosis, identification and classification has evolved in recent decades. And continues to evolve even today.

Not that MAGA or Trump would understand this situation in the slightest! They just want to call such people by horrible names and bully them. Scum.
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Not to forget that Lorna Wing did not coin the term "Asperger's Syndrome" until the early '80s, as Asperger's work had not been published in English...

And don't get me started on the development of assessment tools and the rest, which improved out of all recognition, as had our experience, by the time I jacked it in.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Before you posted this, did you bother to read anything on the other side? I used to think just like you do about people who question vaccine safety, but then I decided I should read at least a few of their sources. There are plenty of medical scientists who support RFK Jr.'s concerns about certain vaccines, but you never hear about them in our Big Pharma-dominated news media. Have you read RFK Jr.'s thoroughly documented short book A Letter to Liberals? Have you read Senator (and Dr.) Rand Paul's book Deception: The Great COVID Cover-Up?

Here are some sources that are available online:

Statement of Former CDC Scientist William Thompson
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...eblowers/the-statement-of-william-w-thompson/

ICAN Information Page
https://icandecide.org/get-informed/

Vaccine Safety and Policy
https://sites.google.com/view/vaccinesafetypolicy/home

If you read Dick Russell's book The Real RFK Jr., you'll see that he soundly debunks the myth that Kennedy's 2005 Rolling Stone article "Deadly Immunity" was "refuted by scientists." It was not, and has not been.

It's always a good idea, and in keeping with the principles of critical thinking, to read both sides of the story before reaching conclusions about it.

Finally, you should be aware that RFK Jr. has gotten all the standard vaccines except the COVID vaccine, and that his children have done so as well. He is not against vaccines per se; his main point is that vaccines should have to undergo the same safety trials that prescription drugs have to undergo.
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Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist not an immunologist. You don't go to an oncologist for plastic surgery or to a cardiologist for cataract surgery. You don't go to an ophthalmologist for his opinion on virology.

Dick Russell is a self-admitted conspiracist. He actually co-authored a book with...wait for it...Jesse Ventura on conspiracies, "American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies, and More Dirty Lies That the Government Tells Us". It claims "the murder of Abraham Lincoln and the assassinations of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King all need to be reexamined. Was Watergate presented honestly, or was the CIA involved? Did the Republican Party set out to purposefully steal two elections on behalf of George W. Bush? Has all the evidence been presented about the 9/11 attacks, or is there another angle that the media is afraid to explore? And finally, is the collapse of today's financial order and the bailout plan by the Federal Reserve the widest-reaching conspiracy ever perpetrated?"

The conspiracy minded go to other conspiracists for confirmation.
 
I suspect he will not last long in his new job...he is already taking heat for him proposols to ban products using corn sugar from school lunches. A lot of the Farmers who voted for Trump raise corn and they are maiking their displasure known.
 
dudalb said:
I suspect he will not last long in his new job...he is already taking heat for him proposols to ban products using corn sugar from school lunches. A lot of the Farmers who voted for Trump raise corn and they are maiking their displasure known.
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Remember when Michelle Obama suggested putting more vegetables in school lunches and the republicans lost their minds?
 
dudalb said:
I suspect he will not last long in his new job...he is already taking heat for him proposols to ban products using corn sugar from school lunches. A lot of the Farmers who voted for Trump raise corn and they are maiking their displasure known.
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pgwenthold said:
Remember when Michelle Obama suggested putting more vegetables in school lunches and the republicans lost their minds?
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For people who complain about nanny-statism, they seem to be more than happy to support RFK Jr who is like a nanny statist on steroids. I mean, in his case that's probably literally true, and beyond that he's something like an evil nanny who, instead of doing what's best for baby, is actively dreaming up insane ways of doing it harm, such as by giving it measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, hepatitis, polio and whooping cough.

Thanks a lot you freaky gammon-faced worm-eaten piece of ◊◊◊◊.
 
The New York Times reported on a lawyer closely associated with RFK Jr, namely Aaron Siri. They wrote, "The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds." One almost wishes that Senator McConnell would still be the ranking republican in the senate next year; he would have something to say about this, I am sure.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The New York Times reported on a lawyer closely associated with RFK Jr, namely Aaron Siri. They wrote, "The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds." One almost wishes that Senator McConnell would still be the ranking republican in the senate next year; he would have something to say about this, I am sure.
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Yeah, apparently this Siri guy is upset that the polio vaccine that has been given out hundreds of millions of times worldwide and is considered safe by public health departments around the world, didn't go through a proper double-blind study as to is efficacy and safety sixty years ago. We need to stop giving it out, take a few thousand kids who have not been inoculated yet, give half of them the vaccine and half a placebo, then expose them all to polio to see what happens.
 
Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine

The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.

Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccine.

 
I realized long ago that America wouldn't reach the heights of Star Trek's Federation in my lifetime, but I really didn't expect it to slump backwards into the nineteenth century. Yet here we go!
 
The essay at Respectful Insolence is very good. The only thing I would like to add is that phosphate is a pH buffer in our cells and that without phosphate, there would be no way for ATP synthase to make ATP from ADP and phosphate. ATP is necessary for muscle contraction, among other essential roles.
 
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I guess this is all okay for Mike Griffiths because RFK and his family have been vaccinated against polio. So the vaccine is just going to be revoked for other people.
 
angrysoba said:
I guess this is all okay for Mike Griffiths because RFK and his family have been vaccinated against polio. So the vaccine is just going to be revoked for other people.
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I've already seen a comment online that if polio makes a comeback RFK might run the risk of "a Luigi". The Kennedy family does have a bit of a history with such events. Not sure if there's a vaccine for that particular ailment.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I've already seen a comment online that if polio makes a comeback RFK might run the risk of "a Luigi". The Kennedy family does have a bit of a history with such events. Not sure if there's a vaccine for that particular ailment.
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I must say that I most sincerely do not want anyone to shoot RFK Jr. Even if he truly believes that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent, and even if he gets Trump to pardon him (which he should if he is innocent, right?). Even then, I don’t want Sirhan Sirhan to shoot him.

No, I hope he gets AIDS.
 
angrysoba said:
I must say that I most sincerely do not want anyone to shoot RFK Jr. Even if he truly believes that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent, and even if he gets Trump to pardon him (which he should if he is innocent, right?). Even then, I don’t want Sirhan Sirhan to shoot him.

No, I hope he gets AIDS.
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If he's not taking AZT I don't see how he could get aids. Honestly the not believing that Sirhan Sirhan killed his father might be the craziest thing he believes. Sirhan has admitted and never backed down . WTF does a guy have to do to get some credit from RFK jr.
 
I thought this was a spoof headline and someone had hacked the NY Times app. What drives this evil behavior? Will anyone ask DJT about it? Do they honestly believe that contracting Polio is safer than the Polio vaccine? Or do they really not give a ◊◊◊◊ about human life and just want social media hits? Or what?
 
grunion said:
I thought this was a spoof headline and someone had hacked the NY Times app. What drives this evil behavior? Will anyone ask DJT about it? Do they honestly believe that contracting Polio is safer than the Polio vaccine? Or do they really not give a ◊◊◊◊ about human life and just want social media hits? Or what?
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The vax deniers I've heard seem to believe there never was polio in the first place.
 
angrysoba said:
I must say that I most sincerely do not want anyone to shoot RFK Jr. Even if he truly believes that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent, and even if he gets Trump to pardon him (which he should if he is innocent, right?). Even then, I don’t want Sirhan Sirhan to shoot him.

No, I hope he gets AIDS.
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I'd rather he got polio. Let him give his "I didn't know it was loaded" speech from an iron lung.
 
angrysoba said:
I must say that I most sincerely do not want anyone to shoot RFK Jr. Even if he truly believes that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent, and even if he gets Trump to pardon him (which he should if he is innocent, right?). Even then, I don’t want Sirhan Sirhan to shoot him.

No, I hope he gets AIDS.
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What's your position on someone shooting him up with AIDS?
 
Andy_Ross said:
I think he's wealthy enough to have afforded his own needle
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The thing is, people who use heroin are rarely super health-conscious. And even if they are, the immediate effects of using heroin include a certain relaxation of standards. Even people who know better, when they are in their right minds, are not immune to carelessness in that situation.
 
What the anti-vaxxers won't explain or discuss. From the World Health Organization.

In the early 1950s, the first successful vaccine was created by US physician Jonas Salk. Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk’s inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day. By 1957, annual cases dropped from 58 000 to 5600, and by 1961, only 161 cases remained.

A second type of polio vaccine, the oral polio vaccine (OPV) was developed by physician and microbiologist Albert Sabin...The ease of administering the oral vaccine made it the ideal candidate for mass vaccination campaigns. Hungary began to use it in December 1959 and Czechoslovakia in early 1960, becoming the first country in the world to eliminate polio. World Health Organization page link
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From Google AI
  • 1952: The worst polio outbreak in US history, with 57,628 cases, 3,145 deaths, and 21,269 cases of paralysis
  • 1957: The number of cases dropped to 5,600
  • 1961: Only 161 cases were reported
  • 1975–1979: The average number of cases per year was 15
 
newyorkguy said:
What the anti-vaxxers won't explain or discuss. From the World Health Organization.



From Google AI
  • 1952: The worst polio outbreak in US history, with 57,628 cases, 3,145 deaths, and 21,269 cases of paralysis
  • 1957: The number of cases dropped to 5,600
  • 1961: Only 161 cases were reported
  • 1975–1979: The average number of cases per year was 15
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I'm old enough to remember when the circus came to town and we were not allowed to go because of the fear of the polio epidemic. That was in the now olden days when they actually came to town. They marched down the main street of Great Barrington, elephants, calliope and all, and we watched the parade and went home. The next year, the polio vaccine was cleared, Not quite the first group, but I got it in 1955. Ironic now that the nasty little town of Great Barrington is known now by many for the newthinktank declaration against Covid precautions. I knew someone who got polio and spent some time in an iron lung. She was lucky, only lost one lung. So yeah. Stealing a little from archy the cockroach, if I were to speak sincerely about how I feel about such people as RFK, I would not be understood by most because few people are low life enough to understand the language I would use. It's asterisks all the way down.
 
Could result in high-paying jobs in the iron lung manufacturing industry.
 
grunion said:
Do they honestly believe that contracting Polio is safer than the Polio vaccine? Or do they really not give a ◊◊◊◊ about human life and just want social media hits? Or what?
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I remember Robert Prey, on this forum, arguing that, because polio is symptomless in most cases, we should try to achieve herd immunity by letting everyone catch it.
 
Mojo said:
I remember Robert Prey, on this forum, arguing that, because polio is symptomless in most cases, we should try to achieve herd immunity by letting everyone catch it.
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Given that was the position Jay Bhattacharya, trump's nominee to lead the NIH, took on Covid19, I wouldn't put it past this lot...
 
I'm old enough to remember that my mum was petrified that I would contract one (or all) of the now preventable kid's diseases.
I had measles when I was on holiday in west Wales with the family next door. I had it badly enough that I was taken to spend 10 days in the District nurse's cottage (complete with duck pond!) in a darkened room. I was really pretty ill - but I got a boiled duck egg every morning. Win.
Don't let anyone try and tell you it's a mild disease. I was in that darkened room for good reason. Measles can be disastrous for eyes.

I had whooping cough when I was too young to remember, but I've been told that everyone was very concerned about me. Not mild.

I remember getting rubella. TBH the worst thing was not being able to leave the house for fear of being near a pregnant woman.

Had mumps when I was 28. That was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ vicious. I won't go into all the gory details of that, but it was far from a mild disease.

My mother's anxiety eased when vaccines became available. I'm glad that vaccines were there for our kids. If RFK achieves any of his aims I fear for the health of Americans.

All those preventable diseases really don't need much help to race into an unprotected population.
 
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