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Rape Victim Taught a Lesson

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The High Court yesterday ordered district officials in Shariatpur to explain why they failed to protect 14-year-old rape victim Hena from being whipped to death as per a fatwa on Monday.

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The reports said Hena was raped by her 40-year-old relative Mahbub on Sunday. Next day, a fatwa was announced at a village arbitration that she must be given 100 lashes. She fell unconscious after nearly 80 lashes.

Fatally injured Hena was rushed to Naria health complex where she succumbed to her injuries.
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http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=172669
 
So, this is the result of a "fatwa"
A fatwa is defined as:
a ruling on a point of Islamic law that is given by a recognized authority
or
A fatwā (فتوى; plural fatāwā فتاوى) in the Islamic faith is a religious opinion concerning Islamic law issued by an Islamic scholar.
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Yup. It looks like it will be difficult for apologists to blame tribal custom for this one.
 
I could barely read the article without my muscles tensing up like I was ready to rip someone apart. Anyone involved in that incident should be put to death or locked away for the rest of their lives. That is absolutely disgusting.
 
Quad4_72 said:
I could barely read the article without my muscles tensing up like I was ready to rip someone apart. Anyone involved in that incident should be put to death or locked away for the rest of their lives. That is absolutely disgusting.
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It is. Maybe you should issue a fatwa, say like a 100 lashes?
 
Darat said:
No it's a crap idea - the punishment mete out to her was barbaric, doing the same to someone else would also be barbaric.
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Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).
 
I have come a long time ago to accept that the world is unjust, and no matter what horrible thing you can imagine, someone will actually do it onto another human being. And no matter how much disgusted I am the world will continue to turn.

So yeah. Disgusting. But nothing will come out of it, and more likely than not it will happen again.

The way I see it , what we have in the western first world, is an exception in history, and geographically. I betcha it is also only transient, and as soon as energy production and economy take a dive, if there is nothing to maintain our wasteful way of life, no new energy source like fusion, such horror will happen more often in our society, returning to the same barbarism level as the rest of the world.
 
Aepervius said:
I have come a long time ago to accept that the world is unjust, and no matter what horrible thing you can imagine, someone will actually do it onto another human being. And no matter how much disgusted I am the world will continue to turn.

So yeah. Disgusting. But nothing will come out of it, and more likely than not it will happen again.

The way I see it , what we have in the western first world, is an exception in history, and geographically. I betcha it is also only transient, and as soon as energy production and economy take a dive, if there is nothing to maintain our wasteful way of life, no new energy source like fusion, such horror will happen more often in our society, returning to the same barbarism level as the rest of the world.
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Are you suggesting that poor energy production and economy are the causes of incidents like this? Cause I would say it has much more to do with Islamic fundamentalism ....
 
Fredrik said:
Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).
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I can understand your sentiment but I still have to disagree, no one deserves to be "punished" in such a way. And I put punished in quotation marks as this type of action shouldn't be called punishment in any civilized country for any type of crime.
 
Actually, those who did this to her actually do deserve to have 100 lashes, so there's that.

And then have the death penalty applied, for murder, should they survive the lashes.


Stop respecting religion, as it just encourages the bastards. Mock it through freedom of speech and of the press. That's what works*.


And, apparently, is what's been made illegal in certain countries. Supposedly free countries.

We need to be able to mock religion.



* The book Superfreakonomics details a one-man crusade to mock via exposure the KKK, over the course of several decades turning it from a fearsome force to little more than a good ol' boys' bitch club.
 
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Aepervius said:
I have come a long time ago to accept that the world is unjust, and no matter what horrible thing you can imagine, someone will actually do it onto another human being. And no matter how much disgusted I am the world will continue to turn.

So yeah. Disgusting. But nothing will come out of it, and more likely than not it will happen again.

The way I see it , what we have in the western first world, is an exception in history, and geographically. I betcha it is also only transient, and as soon as energy production and economy take a dive, if there is nothing to maintain our wasteful way of life, no new energy source like fusion, such horror will happen more often in our society, returning to the same barbarism level as the rest of the world.
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I once suggested this to some people I know and they thought I was insane.


Ignorance, fear, and superstition drive people to do unimaginably cruel things.
 
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Quad4_72 said:
Are you suggesting that poor energy production and economy are the causes of incidents like this? Cause I would say it has much more to do with Islamic fundamentalism ....
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Islamic fundamentalism shows a certain type of barbaric punishment.
In our countries [ first world ] culturally there were other type of punishment, for other crime. Burning alive a 5 year old is no less barbaric than lashing a 14 year old rape victim (although i will admit it (ETA the low age) was not widespread and might have been a single case).

What I mean is that barbarism seems to be the "usual plat du jour" no matter the culture until it reach a point of well being.

So if energy contraction force a lot of us to drop in wealth, my gut feeling is that the barbarism would come back under another form. Maybe some sort of pogrom. Who knows.
 
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Ladewig said:
Ignorance, fear, and superstition drive people to do unimaginably cruel things.
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I think ignorance and superstition are enough, and more often than not superstition seems to be a consequence of ignorance. So ignorance alone is enough to lead to a situation like above.

As for sanity, I used to question mine, nowadays I tend to think that yes, the world is insane, and sanity is actually the exception rather than the rule.
 
lionking said:
The barbarism of fundamental Islam. Disgusting.
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The article said nothing about the guy that did the rape.
In disgusting fundamentalist Islamic countries the prevailing attitude is, I guess, Allah gave him permission to rape the unprotected girl. She was above the haram age limit, and should have expected it, after all.
 
I Ratant said:
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The article said nothing about the guy that did the rape.
In disgusting fundamentalist Islamic countries the prevailing attitude is, I guess, Allah gave him permission to rape the unprotected girl. She was above the haram age limit, and should have expected it, after all.
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I remember a couple years ago there was a story in Somalia about some men being convicted of gang rape. They were giving a sentence of "caning"...which actually only amounted to them being hit with thin reeds over their clothes. The men were actually laughing and joking as they were being hit.

This was contrasted to the case of a 13 year old girl in Somalia who, a year or two earlier, had been stoned to death as punishment for being gang raped.

I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone. My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. Or maybe its just that being raped dishonors your family/community, while raping someone, for whatever reason, does not. So the girl has to be murdered but not the rapists because she's the only one whose continued existence brings dishonor and shame to their community. I've heard news stories about women in Islamic fundamentalist communities who were raped who were either murdered by their families or told they needed to commit suicide, in which the girl was not considered to be "at fault" for the rape... but she still needed to die to uphold the family honor.
 
There's a lot to the economical environment and fundamentalist violent barbaric religions, as in the Islamic countries.
When there are sufficient consumer goods for most of the population to be fed, enough jobs, health care, the appeals to the Big Sky Daddies drop to the level they are in the civilized world... The jerk/priest/preacher/rabbi/mullah/jerk can be shouting all kinds of hell and damnation, but he's easily switched and sane people can go about the business of living and not worrying about the barbarity of religious oppression.
The acts of stupidity we discuss here can be broadly-brushed to the influences of which religion and promoters in those economically depressed areas where it is -normal- for religions to be monstrous.
 
Darat said:
Plus of course you may be happy to give the state the right to kill you, I'm not, the state should never have that power.
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One could argue it's better then the state forcing you to spend 60-80 years with complete ********, considering some of the gangs and crap that happens in some prisons, I don't know that 10 years and a lethal injection is much worse. You're life's down the toilet either way.

Seeing as I said "lethal injection" and not "death by whipping" I think this post is officially off topic.
 
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Schrodinger's Cat said:
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I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone.
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I didn't!
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My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. ...
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Her error was being born female, in a society where access to females is really controlled, and having been found in a situation where she had no protection by male members of her family, was therefore by long tradition "asking for it", and got it.
The repressed sexual situations in those countries leads to this kind of thing, with the possessor of the vagina -always- at fault.
 
Aepervius said:
Islamic fundamentalism shows a certain type of barbaric punishment.
In our countries [ first world ] culturally there were other type of punishment, for other crime. Burning alive a 5 year old is no less barbaric than lashing a 14 year old rape victim (although i will admit it (ETA the low age) was not widespread and might have been a single case).
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I am unfamiliar with that case. Can you provide more details? Did it involve the child being the victim of a crime and then village arbitration deciding to inflict a potentially fatal punishment?


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On the plus side, the federal government is investigating this homicide.
 
Ladewig said:
I am unfamiliar with that case. Can you provide more details? Did it involve the child being the victim of a crime and then village arbitration deciding to inflict a potentially fatal punishment?


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On the plus side, the federal government is investigating this homicide.
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That was in München toward the end of the peak of the Bavarian witch hunt, I think I read that in a German book on witch hunting. Not sure if I can find that on a web page, as most english web page are about salem or england.

But yeah , kids were not spared in case of witch craft accusation. They were first "questionned" along with their family, and you can guess that everybody admitted about anything under prolongated torture.
 
I found some reference of an english translated google book on the Haidau trials, and reference to children being executed. At the time of the arrest the boy & girl were "7 to 16 year old" and executed about 5 year later.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lB...onepage&q=munich boy 5 executed witch&f=false

scroll back to page 341.

I'll continue to search for the specific case of that what was the youngest witch executed in Munich.
 
Quad4_72 said:
I could barely read the article without my muscles tensing up like I was ready to rip someone apart. Anyone involved in that incident should be put to death or locked away for the rest of their lives. That is absolutely disgusting.
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You are berserker - and else. Welcome.
 
I Ratant said:
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I didn't!
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Oh, my goodness, no no no I didn't mean to suggest *you* as in you personally. Sorry, by "you" I really just meant an impersonal "you," i.e. "I don't know how ANYONE would think this way." I certainly didn't mean to imply YOU personally think this way. Bad choice of words to say "you" rather than "anyone." Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Darat said:
No it's a crap idea - the punishment mete out to her was barbaric, doing the same to someone else would also be barbaric.
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Some of us have no problem with barbaric. It is educational. And, no, punishing the evil so they know - permanently- the way the victim felt is education at it's most complete level. Meeting evil with "civilized" behavior allows it to continue spreading.

The British general who threatened hanging if a woman was burned was kind.
We are not, just want justice for the victim. Full justice. Educational justice.
 
Fredrik said:
Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).
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There is, but you and Darat won't like it. You are too kind. In that I am not.

Just to keep things in order though, there are many who think I am kind. They are right, because they are deserving (as are most people in the world) of kindness. Those who choose to bring fear and pain are out enemy, we wish to return it to them. It is the only part of xtianity I am cool with - render unto evil the things that are evil's.
 
Quad4_72 said:
I have absolutely no idea what that means.
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You sense the need to destroy and feel your body trying to do it. And it is for the right reasons not the wrong ones. The last person I greeted that way
here wiped up a bully larger than her - but the bully was there. the current slime aren't.
 
Fredrik said:
Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).
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There is:
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Aepervius said:
I found some reference of an english translated google book on the Haidau trials, and reference to children being executed. At the time of the arrest the boy & girl were "7 to 16 year old" and executed about 5 year later.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lB...onepage&q=munich boy 5 executed witch&f=false

scroll back to page 341.

I'll continue to search for the specific case of that what was the youngest witch executed in Munich.
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So, you are suggesting a moral equivalency by comparing something that happened last week to something that happened 270 years ago?
 
fuelair said:
Some of us have no problem with barbaric. It is educational. And, no, punishing the evil so they know - permanently- the way the victim felt is education at it's most complete level. Meeting evil with "civilized" behavior allows it to continue spreading.

The British general who threatened hanging if a woman was burned was kind.
We are not, just want justice for the victim. Full justice. Educational justice.
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"Yeah, tell me, tell me after you knocked your pupil senseless, how do you expect him to remember the lesson, hm?"

;)
 
Schrodinger's Cat said:
I remember a couple years ago there was a story in Somalia about some men being convicted of gang rape. They were giving a sentence of "caning"...which actually only amounted to them being hit with thin reeds over their clothes. The men were actually laughing and joking as they were being hit.

This was contrasted to the case of a 13 year old girl in Somalia who, a year or two earlier, had been stoned to death as punishment for being gang raped.

I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone. My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. Or maybe its just that being raped dishonors your family/community, while raping someone, for whatever reason, does not. So the girl has to be murdered but not the rapists because she's the only one whose continued existence brings dishonor and shame to their community. I've heard news stories about women in Islamic fundamentalist communities who were raped who were either murdered by their families or told they needed to commit suicide, in which the girl was not considered to be "at fault" for the rape... but she still needed to die to uphold the family honor.
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You also have to add a patriarchal culture where men have all the power, and whenever men and women come into conflict, the women are wrong. You also have to devalue women to the point where killing one of them just so you don't have to admit the man did something very wrong seems acceptable.
 
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