President Obama's legacy is strong & holding

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President Obama accomplished a lot of great things, and many great things happened in America during his administration.

Most of these things have been preserved by Trump and are likely to stay strong.

These accomplishments are:

-the ACA/Obamacare

-FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products

-Dodd-Frank financial sector regulations

-trucks & SUV fuel efficiency standards

-the New START nuclear weapons treaty

-Americans can visit and do business with Cuba

-taxes on the rich are at 42%

-Planned Parenthood/PBS/NEA are still funded

-Gays are allows in the military

-Gay marriage legal

-the Iran nuclear deal

-Osama bin Laden killed

-free trade agreements with South Korea, Panama & Columbia.

-DACA


The State of President Obama's legacy, is strong.
 
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When people were proclaiming the end of America just after the election, I thought it was too early to tell. Now that people are proclaiming that Obama's legacy is doing okay, I again think it's too early to tell. In both cases, Trump simply hasn't yet been around long enough to make these kinds of assessments.
 
Hercules56 said:
President Obama accomplished a lot of great things, and many great things happened in America during his administration.

Most of these things have been preserved by Trump and are likely to stay strong.

These accomplishments are:

-the ACA/Obamacare

-FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products

-Dodd-Frank financial sector regulations

-trucks & SUV fuel efficiency standards

-the New START nuclear weapons treaty

-Americans can visit and do business with Cuba

-taxes on the rich are at 42%

-Planned Parenthood/PBS/NEA are still funded

-Gays are allows in the military

-Gay marriage legal

-the Iran nuclear deal

-Osama bin Laden killed

-free trade agreements with South Korea, Panama & Columbia.

-DACA


The State of President Obama's legacy, is strong.
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What Obama thinks is the "good" part of his legacy will live on for Obama and his supporters. The rest of us, not so much. It's highly subjective. Yes, he did some good things.

If you go by that partial list he looks great. Seems like he did nothing wrong. Race relations, worse than before. International, worse than before. Economy, eh, not great at all. Middle East, Libya etc - haha. Debt, high. Etc. But all of that is arguable, just like most of the list.

You think the Iran nuke deal is a positive, that's fine, but many people do not. Many points on that list are not considered "positive" by a whole lot of people.

But why go on and on about this. Are people who don't like Obama going to look at this list and say, "Hey you're right! Obama was awesome!" I suppose after Trump it may be possible. ;)

I don't give a hoot about any politicians "legacy". It's not about him or her. And isn't there already a legacy thread or two?
 
mgidm86 said:
What Obama thinks is the "good" part of his legacy will live on for Obama and his supporters. The rest of us, not so much. It's highly subjective. Yes, he did some good things.

If you go by that partial list he looks great. Seems like he did nothing wrong. Race relations, worse than before. International, worse than before. Economy, eh, not great at all. Middle East, Libya etc - haha. Debt, high. Etc. But all of that is arguable, just like most of the list.

You think the Iran nuke deal is a positive, that's fine, but many people do not. Many points on that list are not considered "positive" by a whole lot of people.

But why go on and on about this. Are people who don't like Obama going to look at this list and say, "Hey you're right! Obama was awesome!" I suppose after Trump it may be possible. ;)

I don't give a hoot about any politicians "legacy". It's not about him or her. And isn't there already a legacy thread or two?
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Your opinions of Obama are wrong, many people are disagreeing with you. Even if what you say is true, legacies are stupid and I don't care about them. Even if you do care about them, and if other people care about them, who cares, there are already other threads about this.

Did I get it all?
 
Darat said:
He made USA International relations worse? Where on earth does that one come from?
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Well, he didn't suck up sufficiently to strongman autocrats. Trump is showing Obama how that's done!
 
Darat said:
He made USA International relations worse? Where on earth does that one come from?
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Obama humiliated Trump once in 2011 for being a birther whackjob. That may have been part of the reason why Trump ran pursuing the agenda he did. And so now Trump is president and the entire world is laughing at us.
 
uke2se said:
Well, he didn't suck up sufficiently to strongman autocrats. Trump is showing Obama how that's done!
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It's more to do with Obama's red line backpedal. Of course he should have never made such a statement if he didn't want to cause iraq 2 electric boogaloo.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
It's more to do with Obama's red line backpedal. Of course he should have never made such a statement if he didn't want to cause iraq 2 electric boogaloo.
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What did his red line speech cause in your opinion, and what does that have to do with Trump alienating the entire world, minus a few tin pot dictators?

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uke2se said:
What did his red line speech cause in your opinion, and what does that have to do with Trump alienating the entire world, minus a few tin pot dictators?

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Obama's red line weakened us credibility by not going through with his word on key issues such as wmd usage by dictators.

And Europe is one to talk about relations with autocrats while hopping into bed with the likes of erdogan jinping and Saudi arabia.

As for trump, if you look beyond mic.com and buzzfeed, has largely been a typical president. Paris is largely for show since the us senate never ratified it in the first place (had Obama gone to them in the first place and gone Pontius Pilate we wouldn't be having this mess)
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Obama's red line weakened us credibility by not going through with his word on key issues such as wmd usage by dictators.

And Europe is one to talk about relations with autocrats while hopping into bed with the likes of erdogan jinping and Saudi arabia.

As for trump, if you look beyond mic.com and buzzfeed, has largely been a typical president. Paris is largely for show since the us senate never ratified it in the first place (had Obama gone to them in the first place and gone Pontius Pilate we wouldn't be having this mess)
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Alright, I disagree with everything you just said. Calling Trump's presidency in any way normal is frankly laughable. Favoringly comparing him with Obama is delusional.
 
uke2se said:
Alright, I disagree with everything you just said. Calling Trump's presidency in any way normal is frankly laughable. Favoringly comparing him with Obama is delusional.
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I wasn't favourably comparing either. I am pointing out that for all the doom and gloom trump has yet to engage in apocalypse level drama. Air and drone strikes are still things, and trump is continuing Obama's realignment to the Pacific. Even the spat over 2% spending by NATO has been a long standing issue within the alliance.

As for Paris, Obama never took it to the Senate, denying it the much needed legitimacy for it to survive his administration (the us requires a 2/3 majority for treaties, where most countries would simply require an absolute majority in the legislative assembly). Even if they rejected it Obama could have gone "sorry out of my hands!" And implementing separate climate policies, instead of trying to bypass them and getting the worst of both worlds. That said even if the us isn't in Paris, it is still expected to reduce co2 emissions regardless, and that is due to the shale oil gas revolution displacing coal (worst of the worst in terms of fossil fuels).

Meanwhile I have to love the European hypocrisy whenever they complain about trump being too cosy with dictators when they cooked up that deal with erdogan and fete Saudi Arabia.
 
President Obama did a lot of harm, and many bad things happened in America during his administration.

Most of these things will be reversed by Trump and are likely to disappear.

These are:

-the ACA/Obamacare

-FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products

-Dodd-Frank financial sector regulations

-trucks & SUV fuel efficiency standards

-the New START nuclear weapons treaty

-Americans can visit and do business with Cuba

-taxes on the rich are at 42%

-Planned Parenthood/PBS/NEA are still funded

-Gays are allows in the military

-Gay marriage legal

-the Iran nuclear deal

-Osama bin Laden killed

-free trade agreements with South Korea, Panama & Columbia.

-DACA


Barry's 'legacy' is weak.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
President Obama did a lot of harm, and many bad things happened in America during his administration.

Most of these things will be reversed by Trump and are likely to disappear.

These are:


-FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products


-the New START nuclear weapons treaty


-Gay marriage legal

-the Iran nuclear deal

-Osama bin Laden killed


Barry's 'legacy' is weak.
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What exactly is wrong with the above accomplishments by Obama?
 
Hercules56 said:
What exactly is wrong with the above accomplishments by Obama?
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-the ACA/Obamacare

Death panels, "You can keep your doctor", Obama.

-FDA regulatory authority over tobacco products

Nobody has proved that tobacco is harmful. The Feds should keep their noses out of our personal lives.

-Dodd-Frank financial sector regulations

More government meddling in the marketplace.

-trucks & SUV fuel efficiency standards

Liberals hate our freedoms!

-the New START nuclear weapons treaty

A really really bad deal because - Obama.

-Americans can visit and do business with Cuba

Communism doesn't work. We should have nuked them in '62

-taxes on the rich are at 42%

Taxes on the rich are at (insert number greater than zero)

-Planned Parenthood/PBS/NEA are still funded

Planned Parenthood murders babies and sells their body parts. It's a holocaust that must be stopped!

-Gays are allows in the military

Gays are an abomination

-Gay marriage legal

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

-the Iran nuclear deal

Worst deal ever! Iran will nuke us for sure.

-Osama bin Laden killed

But is he? Nobody has seen the body...

-free trade agreements with South Korea, Panama & Columbia.

Free trade = killing jobs for real Americans.

-DACA

MAGA!
 
And I would like to add the economy in there.
You have to admit 4.3% unemployment is pretty good.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Meanwhile I have to love the European hypocrisy whenever they complain about trump being too cosy with dictators when they cooked up that deal with erdogan and fete Saudi Arabia.
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I don't think you really know what you're talking about here.

Not to mention the fact that I am not a European leader, so I am not hypocritical when I say that Trump is cozy with dictators, whether European leaders are or not.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
I wasn't favourably comparing either. I am pointing out that for all the doom and gloom trump has yet to engage in apocalypse level drama. Air and drone strikes are still things, and trump is continuing Obama's realignment to the Pacific. Even the spat over 2% spending by NATO has been a long standing issue within the alliance.

As for Paris, Obama never took it to the Senate, denying it the much needed legitimacy for it to survive his administration (the us requires a 2/3 majority for treaties, where most countries would simply require an absolute majority in the legislative assembly). Even if they rejected it Obama could have gone "sorry out of my hands!" And implementing separate climate policies, instead of trying to bypass them and getting the worst of both worlds. That said even if the us isn't in Paris, it is still expected to reduce co2 emissions regardless, and that is due to the shale oil gas revolution displacing coal (worst of the worst in terms of fossil fuels).

Meanwhile I have to love the European hypocrisy whenever they complain about trump being too cosy with dictators when they cooked up that deal with erdogan and fete Saudi Arabia.
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Making "agreements" and implementing them through legislation and executive orders instead of making treaties with the requirement to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate started in 1845 with the Texas Annexation. Note that NAFTA and many other trade agreements have been implemented in this manor. It's a workaround for the fact the 2/3 vote of the Senate required for ratification of treaties is often not achievable.
 
CORed said:
Making "agreements" and implementing them through legislation and executive orders instead of making treaties with the requirement to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate started in 1845 with the Texas Annexation. Note that NAFTA and many other trade agreements have been implemented in this manor. It's a workaround for the fact the 2/3 vote of the Senate required for ratification of treaties is often not achievable.
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What would you have us conclude from this?

That the workaround has the same legitimacy as the ratification?

That the workaround should bind the president's successor?
 
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