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Hey all. Podcast producer and host Dan Taberski (I recommend his "Running from Cops" and "Missing Richard Simmons") has a new seven-part series called "9/12," about some interesting and unexpected societal impacts of 9/11.
All episodes are worth a listen, but in episode four Dylan Avery and me (Mark Roberts) are profiled:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-9-12-86465669/episode/people-knew-4-86929744/
The podcast begins by describing my tour guiding at the WTC site after 9/11 and ends with my work at the top of One WTC (2015-2019).
There are several moments that made me laugh out loud. Taberski does a good job of covering the absurdity of the subject, but he also ties together different threads related to our need to fill in our gaps in understanding.
I spent 4.5 hours interviewing with a producer, then Taberski, and several more hours providing info to their fact checkers. We went deep into conspiracist psychology, recent research about the subject, how successful 9/11 conspiracists were at spreading misinformation worldwide, and the extent of my involvement. None of that made the cut. Taberski didn't tell me he had interviewed Avery until a couple of hours into his interview with me.
Avery told them that he made four versions of Loose Change, long ago, and that he's offended to still be considered "that 9/11 conspiracy guy." To demonstrate what a lying douchebag Avery is, I provided the producer with my summary of Avery's 9/11 conspiracy movies:
“The plan is to have the movie done and in theaters by summer, so we don’t compete with Spiderman III. The Final Cut is exactly that – the final cut. I’m done making 9/11 films. I want to punish those responsible and move on with my life.” – Dylan Avery, February, 2007
“In the Final Cut we're going to whittle it down to things that are absolutely provable. We need to make it 100% airtight.” –Dylan Avery, 2006
"We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves." Korey Rowe, Smith Magazine, 8/6/2008
“So, as we got more and more information, there was more and more to draw on, and more, like, legitimate foundation to lay, for this information, as opposed to, uh, just kinda sticking to the same thing, and kinda repeating ourselves. Like, we always wanted to refine and strengthen our argument, as opposed to weaken it.” – Dylan Avery, 2017
“Loose Change (Second Edition) really is not a fair representation of the 9/11 truth movement.”
“If I were to make a 9/11 film now, it would, I would focus more on, like, the financial aspect, and who these people are, and how they came into power...Less about, like, arguing about how the buildings came down” – Dylan Avery, 2017
All episodes are worth a listen, but in episode four Dylan Avery and me (Mark Roberts) are profiled:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-9-12-86465669/episode/people-knew-4-86929744/
The podcast begins by describing my tour guiding at the WTC site after 9/11 and ends with my work at the top of One WTC (2015-2019).
There are several moments that made me laugh out loud. Taberski does a good job of covering the absurdity of the subject, but he also ties together different threads related to our need to fill in our gaps in understanding.
I spent 4.5 hours interviewing with a producer, then Taberski, and several more hours providing info to their fact checkers. We went deep into conspiracist psychology, recent research about the subject, how successful 9/11 conspiracists were at spreading misinformation worldwide, and the extent of my involvement. None of that made the cut. Taberski didn't tell me he had interviewed Avery until a couple of hours into his interview with me.
Avery told them that he made four versions of Loose Change, long ago, and that he's offended to still be considered "that 9/11 conspiracy guy." To demonstrate what a lying douchebag Avery is, I provided the producer with my summary of Avery's 9/11 conspiracy movies:
The Versions
- Loose Change (2005)
- Loose Change 2nd Edition (2006)
- Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut (2006)
“The plan is to have the movie done and in theaters by summer, so we don’t compete with Spiderman III. The Final Cut is exactly that – the final cut. I’m done making 9/11 films. I want to punish those responsible and move on with my life.” – Dylan Avery, February, 2007
“In the Final Cut we're going to whittle it down to things that are absolutely provable. We need to make it 100% airtight.” –Dylan Avery, 2006
- Loose Change Final Cut (2007)
"We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves." Korey Rowe, Smith Magazine, 8/6/2008
- Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup (2009)
- Loose Change 9/11 (2015, 52 mins)
“So, as we got more and more information, there was more and more to draw on, and more, like, legitimate foundation to lay, for this information, as opposed to, uh, just kinda sticking to the same thing, and kinda repeating ourselves. Like, we always wanted to refine and strengthen our argument, as opposed to weaken it.” – Dylan Avery, 2017
“Loose Change (Second Edition) really is not a fair representation of the 9/11 truth movement.”
– Dylan Avery, 2006
- Loose Change Second Edition HD (2017)
“If I were to make a 9/11 film now, it would, I would focus more on, like, the financial aspect, and who these people are, and how they came into power...Less about, like, arguing about how the buildings came down” – Dylan Avery, 2017
- Seven (2020) A movie about how WTC Building 7 came down, funded by conspiracist Richard Gage’s AE911truth organization.
